Police Investigate Possible Plot To Kill Obama

[gi4obama]

Source: CBS4 Denver

DENVER (CBS4) ― Law enforcement authorities have arrested two men and several law enforcement sources say the investigation is looking into whether the men intended to harm presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

According to multiple sources, Aurora police made a routine traffic stop Sunday morning at 2:38 a.m. The Secret Service says two rifles were found in the car along with methamphetamine. Another law enforcement source says he was told at least one of the rifles was a "sniper rifle."

A second source told CBS4 Investigator Brian Maass authorities told officers they are concerned they may have come upon a possible "assassination plot."

That arrest then led authorities to a second man staying at the Cherry Creek Hotel at 600 South Colorado Blvd. in Glendale. When authorities knocked on the man's door, they say he jumped out of his sixth floor window, landing on an awning and running from the scene. They say they soon found him with a broken ankle. He too was arrested.






Read more: http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Well, then...

I certainly won't feign surprise at this. I just hope the Denver Police's luck holds out for the duration.

[mojowork_n]

55. Whatever was going on in Denver, it isn't the first suspicious episode this summer

A chartered jet flying the candidate from Chicago, to North Carolina, had to be diverted to St. Louis after an unexplained 'mishap' in the plane's tail section. An inflatable escape chute somehow was *partially* inflated after take-off, affecting critical control cables in the tail of the jet. Pilots immediately sensed something was wrong.

This website has photos of the partially inflated chute, and the safety lockdown on the metal cannister that normally holds these chutes. (These things are *not* designed to "accidentally" deploy in mid-flight.)

http://aircrewbuzz.com/2008/07/ntsb-photos-and-update-on-incident.html

The NTSB is investigating how "turbulence" could have caused this.

http://digitizedrevolution.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/jeff-wise-mechanic-obamas-plane-could-have-lost-control-in-anomaly/


Re-posted from reply #50... I didn't want this to go un-noticed.

[gi4obama]

74. Yeah , he was suppose to come to NC that day...

[gi4obama]

76. Here is one of the suspect's mugshots:

Tharin Gartrell

[gi4obama]

81. And here is video from CBS4 on the incident

http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=[e-mail]

[Just-plain-Kathy]

87. Wow, you could feel the hate that comes from him.

I'd like to know if he's on the White House payroll.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

117. Vanilla Ice (n/m)

[Catch22Dem]

2. I don't know...

My gut says it's a couple of dumbass meth heads. I hope I'm right.

[PittPoliSci]

5. that's what i'd like to believe too.

[aasleka]

6. Jumped out a 6 story window says alot

[gi4obama]

8. And "rented pickup truck" also says alot.

[aasleka]

27. Either didn't care about dying for a simple thing as police showing up

at his door or maybe he had planned an escape route by jumping to the awning.

[Cal Carpenter]

12. It says 'paranoid tweaker'

..

[bjobotts]

105. AGREED

[Catch22Dem]

129. Exactly

Those dipwads will do just about anything! If you'll scratch your face off, you'll take a dive out of a window.

[JonLP24]

18. Majority of meth heads are not looking to kill obama

I'm sure there is many more plots. I hope SS does there job and Obama stays safe.

[I Dreamtoomuch_2]

78. my gut says otherwise

[aquart]

3. Denver better be better than Dallas.

[panader0]

4. I hope that there aren't any more of theses idiots

but I doubt it.

[Baby Snooks]

177. They're everywhere...

These are not the only ones to worry about. They're everywhere. Listening to conservative talk radio. Listening to the subtle messages that Barack Obama is a threat to the future of this nation. The future of this nation that some believe is only for a few. Certainly we cannot allow an African-American to become president. Certainly not a Muslim. Ask any conservative, and we are no longer a nation of Republicans and Democrats but a nation of conservatives and liberals, and they will tell you that Barack Obama is a Muslim. That his being a Christian is just a ruse. "The Muslims, are coming, the Muslims are coming" is the battle cry. They actually believe Barack Obama will establish an Islamic republic somehow. Perhaps he could. George W Bush seems to have established a Christian republic. Even the Democrats are forced to "toe the line" with the fundamentalists. I am and forever will be appalled by the first "debate" being disguised as a "forum" and being held by a fundamentalist church. As if to say, one must now prove their Christianity in order to become president. The media should have refused to participate. The media itself is part of the problem.

There is the subtle message on conservative talk radio that Barack Obama has become a threat to the future of this nation. But it is not so subtle a message in the various forums around the country set up by conservatives. Certainly not so subtle in the meetings and conversations around the country.

We've gone from the "kinder, gentler" nation promised us by one Bush to the "meaner, nastier" nation given us by another Bush whose "compassionate conservatism" is a compassion reserved for the conservatives who believe some are less than others and therefore have no real protections and rights under the law and certainly have no right to lead this country as president. And their icons will of course fuel the fires and hope that some malcontent or misfit assassinates Barack Obama. To save the country.

The Clintons certainly didn't do much to unite this country with her campaign which was at times blatantly racist with regard to the governor of Pennsylvania's comments that they did not rebuke or her own comments about "hard-working white voters." Most of whom of course did not like Ted Kennedy "passing the torch" to Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton. The Clintons did not deserve the torch. And would not have been able to carry it. Only Barack Obama can.

All around this country there are "conservative" and "moderate" Democrats who call themselves Blue Dogs and they will be the ones who will cost Barack Obama the election. They are not anything but rabidly racist dogs. And they should have joined the Republican Party along with the other "conservative" and "moderate" Democrats a long time ago who provided the foundation for the new party of corruption and racism. The Republicrat Party which hijacked the Republican Party and is attempting to hijack the Democrat Party and the democracy in the process.

Fitting that the word democracy is the root of the word Democrat and if democracy is to survive in this country, the Democratic Party is the only way it will.

The problem is there are too many in the Democratic Party who also apparently believe that some are less than others and that the Constitution really doesn't matter.

As always, all eyes turn to Madame Speaker. Who promoted one of these Blue Dogs as the vice-presidential nominee.

Minorities must be registered to vote and must vote in November. If you have time to work with the various organizations in the major cities who are trying to register as many minority voters as possible by October, do it. And if you don't, don't complain when John McCain is declared the winner in November. And if you think you don't need to become involved because the party itself will pull it all together, you need to finally take a good look at Nancy Pelosi.

[Taverner]

196. Do not forget the whole "Anti-Christ" brush the fundie loonies are going on about

What "martyr" wouldn't want to kill the "anti-Christ"?

[Pavulon]

7. Sniper Rifle not worth to much without (guess)

a sniper... What is a "sniper rifle". Let me answer that for ya.

A Remington 700 bolt action rifle generally in 308 maybe 300 win mag with a 10x fixed mag scope. Generally the same as a hunting rifle.

There are probably 4 rigs that would be considered "sniper" rifles. They range from 10k on up.

Still, shit for brains should be arrested for whatever they were plotting, but i'll set aside my hysteria.

JFK was killed by a man using the worst shoulder weapon in the world at that time.

The training required to hit a person, moving, with a single rifle shot at distance is significant.

[HopeHoops]

16. I doubt meth will help with the odds

[JonLP24]

20. Meth can make someone more alert and focused

then normal, however if they are 'crashing' then they are more tired and fatigued then normal.

[MadHound]

75. And more jittery and twitchy, not a good thing when trying to shoot n/t

[cliffordu]

32. Exactly right.

[smoogatz]

91. Yep--competitive target shooters sometimes take beta blockers

to suppress even slight tremors. Beta blockers slow you way down.

[TexasProgresive]

39. 2 friends of mine who own the same type rifle as Oswald

concur that he must've been aiming at Johnson in the other car to hit Kennedy. They say the rifle is that bad- and Oswald was not known to be a sharpshooter.

[gi4obama]

43. LBJ wasn't in Dallas the day he was shot, was he?

[wordpix]

52. no but Poppy told the FBI he was headed there & some think he might have already been in Dallas

[RaleighNCDUer]

114. And Poppy is the only person over the age of 7 who could not remember

where he was that day.

[nsd]

64. Yes, he was. LBJ was riding in a different car in the same motorcade. n/t

[gi4obama]

71. Is there news footage of him in the area that day?

I don't recall seeing any. I'm just curious.

[merci_me]

92. I'm certain there's tons of footage.

If you look at still pictures, LBJ and LadyBird are in the car immediately behind the car with JFK, Jackie and Senator & Mr Connley.

LBJ was sworn in as President on AirForce One within and hour or two of JFK's death.

As for me, I was sitting in front of my television watching in disbelief as it all unfolded and was being reported by a tearful Walter Cronkite.

[gi4obama]

123. Thanks... I just

have never heard that he was actually there. Maybe it was b/c JFK took most of the press. This story has always fascinated me on many levels. It would be a damn shame if our government had anything to do with his death.

[Divernan]

194. There's a famous photo of LBJ being sworn in as next president

on the plane by which JFK's body was returned to DC. A deep-in-shock Jackie Kennedy is in the same picture, in her blood spattered suit. Lady Bird was also in the picture.

[benEzra]

201. Not with military surplus ammunition, which is .268. The Carcano's reputation for terrible accuracy

comes from the fact that a lot of cheap ammunition available for the Carcano in the USA uses American-standard .264-inch bullets, not the .268 inch caliber the rifle was designed for; the undersize U.S.-made bullets are too loose in the bore and don't stabilize well. Oswald used foreign-made ammunition of the correct bullet diameter, not cheap reloads.

Here's an unmodified Carcano shooting at targets between 100 and 420 yards with the proper ammunition. He is shooting steel plates so you can hear the bullets hit the target.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ayL8RXJTs&feature=related

While the Carcano wasn't exactly a target rifle, I would also note that Kennedy was shot at essentially point-blank range for any rifle. I think the third shot was only 88 yards, IIRC.

[Endangered Specie]

94. TO argue a technical point... I wouldn't say the Italian Carcanos were the worst

for what they are they were decent (certainly not comparable to a Mauser).

[judasdisney]

198. Carcanos' nickname in Italy: "The Humanitarian Rifle" because they don't kill anyone

Of course they are the worst.

[Endangered Specie]

215. That is an unsubstantiated myth....

The second is the "humanitarian rifle" moniker used a couple of times in the Warren Commission Report. This rumor apparently has it roots in the false belief that the Carcano is so poorly made that it will either not fire, or is so inaccurate that when actually fired, you'll probably miss the target (the opposing soldier that is), or that the terminal performance if its 6,5 mm bullet is so insufficient. Thus it would be cosidered "humane" to the enemy. Actually, this quotation seems to go back to an (in)famous Mussolini speech of early 1943 date in which he tried (with his usual flamboyant rhetorics) to veil the complete failure of Italian military leadership - notably his own - by blaming e.g. equipment.

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/general.html



There were some towards-the-end-of-the-war rifles that were shoddy, the 8mm carcano was a risky idea, and some carcanos were designed with progressive rifling and then cut down, which hindered the accuracy, otherwise...

heres some videos of someone shooting targets at 400yards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ayL8RXJTs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLOEt3yrcHM


The carcano bullet was effective compared to other rifles of the time. IF one thinks 6.5 carcano is humanitarian, its a wonder anyone ever drops dead from a .223!

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[FatDave]

9. I've never fired anything more than a 12-gauge loaded with birdshot...

...so I know nothing about marksmanship, but I'd have to guess that meth isn't exactly gonna help your sniping accuracy.

[zeemike]

24. not exactly true

A meth head would be to messed up to consider such a plot.
But a dose of meth just before the job by a normal person can heighten the senses.
It would not be the first time soldiers were given speed before being sent into battle. The Germans pioneered that.

[FatDave]

25. I'm sure speed would be awesome for charging into battle...

...but I'd think it would make you shake too much for sniping. Then again I could be wrong, I've done about as much speed as I've done shooting.

I'll leave the "shooting speed" joke as an exercise for the reader.

[zeemike]

28. It does not make you shaky until you come down

And I have done both.

[slackmaster]

10. Uh-huh

:eyes:

[gi4obama]

13. Let's see

there was the incident at Pelosi's Hotel the other day and now these two meth heads driving around with the rifles in their car at 2 am in the morning. At least the cops arrested the nutbags.

[slackmaster]

14. I'm fine with cops arresting people for violating federal and state laws

Being in possession of a firearm and illegal drugs at the same time is a federal crime, probably a state one too.

These guys are going to prison.

Good on the cops.

[Leeny]

62. What incident?

What'd I miss?

[gi4obama]

124. This one

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10292295

[slackmaster]

197. The only "incident" in that story is the ensuing panic over nothing

Based on what has been disclosed so far, no crime was committed and there was no assassination plot.

[BlooInBloo]

11. If they're only looking into *1* possible plot, then we have problems, I suspect.

[gi4obama]

72. So true.

[HopeHoops]

15. Any Bill O or Rush books in the car?

Just saying...

[jimlup]

17. Putting on my tinfoil hat for a moment...

These rightwing nut cases aren't my real worry. It is the real "conspiracy" that may well be brewing. I am concerned. While I don't often wear my tinfoil hat, I do believe there are some really evil people in high places who have done horrible things in the past and are more than capable of bringing down a plane or whatever.

[guruoo]

19. Can you say....

L.A. riots...
except coast to coast?

[Stand and Fight]

29. You better believe it. n/t

[cliffordu]

33. Blood in the streets.

[guruoo]

82. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDSnfHb5nc

[lse7581011]

130. Followed Shortly By....

Marshall Law?

[wvbygod]

136. Pardon me but what would the riots be for and who would start them?

What kind of riots are you thinking of here?

[IndianaGreen]

21. and they were carrying meth?

Sounds like skin heads to me.

[Froward69]

23. They were

swastika rings, Propaganda, Nazi tattoos. and the first ratted on the other two.

just happenstance. The DPD caught em... (cept for the out of state rental @ 3:am is what initiated the stop.) the DPD/ along with the whole of the metro area, is on the job.. I have a few friends who are on duty till midnight Thur.

Denver Mayor Hickenlooper(D) united the metro area as never before...

[zeemike]

26. That is comforting to know

That the cops are doing a good job. Thanks Denver

[Stern21]

34. Thanks for the information.

I just got through Googling for news stories and it's being picked up by a few outlets, most notably Newsweek which is staying at the same hotel.

There's supposed to be a news conference tomorrow at 4:00 that may tell us all more.

[cliffordu]

35. These guys are morons. Not to cast aspersions on morons.

Crank NEVER mixes with precision shooting which is about regular quiet breathing, concentration on the task at hand and a clear,focused purpose. The antithesis of crank.

[madeline_con]

49. What you wrote struck me....

spell edit

"cept for the out of state rental @ 3:am is what initiated the stop"

The ywere looking for Dems to test their new chain link gulag. I think they just got lucky and tripped over these assholes. Thank goodness!

[snooper2]

195. The guy was swerving back and forth across the line

and it was very early in the morning, I.E. drunk driver is what they thought...

Read something before you post

[SidneyCarton]

181. I suppose we had better get used to this...

Like the Clinton years only worse. The psycho fringe of our nation, riled and egged on endlessly by the pontificators of hate will be back at it all across the country. Good luck to Obama, he'll need it, the left in this country doesn't need any more martyrs.

[greguganus]

40. The meth heads were probably more of a danger to themselves. n/t

[ben_meyers]

22. Isn't someone supposed to say

TERRA,TERRA,TERRA, just trying to distract from the convention?

[mopinko]

30. this smells to me. the "assassination thing" is the last bastion of the haters.

or should i say- the unconscious haters. it's the, "well, i have gone through every possible logical reason i can think of not to vote for him, and came up zero. oh, but hey, they'll assassinate him. so why bother?"
so, wouldn't the ptb try to remind folks of that before this whole nomination thing sinks in??

[Tutankhamun]

31. Those guys are going to be screwn when word of their alleged plot circulates through the jailhouse.

I wouldn't want to be in their Dr. Martens right now.

[THale2]

42. Now thats funny Dr. Martens...

LOL

[ForeignSpectator]

132. LOL!

[fascisthunter]

36. Oh Come On... He's Just a Hunter

:sarcasm:

[El Supremo]

37. It looks REAL to me

Read this>>

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=98343&catid=188

[rucognizant]

48. I had a burglery in Philly years ago.

He made it to the 3rd floor where my son ( a night owl) was still awake & called the cops. ( operator, not 0911!) The cops got there so fast, they trapped him in the 3rd floor and,he went out the front window! ADMISSION OF GUILT, yes he stole money & drugs from the front bedroom where I had a friend renting the room. (He was out.)
Burgler didn't get very far, he broke both ankles!

[gi4obama]

138. DAMN! BOTH ANKLES?

[lonestarnot]

51. "Authorities tell NBC News they are skeptical there was anything other than some kind of general

general animosity and no actual plan to do anything." Sound like some fucking crazies to me. Glad they are in jail where they belong after making threats. "At least one of the men made some kind of threat against Sen. Barack Obama."

[rebel with a cause]

38. I'll wait until the investigation is over before I decide what to think.

Have seen too many assassinations in my lifetime and too many moral panics started for political purposes. I don't trust the people and I don't trust the government and I am a child of the 60s. This all takes me back to my youth and those days of change. :cry:

[greguganus]

41. I'm sure they weren't the only 2 meth heads driving around Denver at 2:00 am. n/t

[scarface2004]

44. i think limbaw is inciting this violence

with his little black boy jigaboo slurs, rush with a wink and a nod is sending coded messages to the legion of dittoheads to kill obama before he makes it to the whitehouse...i m sure if obama got shot rush would gleefully go off the next day on his radio 'show'!!

[slay]

45. Updated - one of the suspects told authorities they were "going to shoot Obama

Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point

DENVER (CBS4) ― CBS4 has now learned at least four people are under arrest in connection with a possible plot to kill Barack Obama at his Thursday night acceptance speech in Denver. All are being held on either drug or weapons charges.

CBS4 Investigator Brian Maass reported one of the suspects told authorities they were "going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a ... rifle … sighted at 750 yards."

Law enforcement sources tell Maass that one of the suspects "was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama. He responded in the affirmative."

The story began emerging Sunday morning when Aurora police arrested 28-year-old Tharin Gartrell. He was driving a rented pickup truck in an erratic manner according to sources.

more: http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

[gi4obama]

46. This is crazy.

When I first found this story I thought it was "iffy" at best. The true loons are coming out in droves, arent they. Thanks for the update.

[slay]

47. Yeah - this was one of my worst fears...

And this was only discovered by accident it seems. Very scary. :scared:

[JeanGrey]

53. It IS MY

worst fear. I wish I could assure myself that this isn't likely to happen...............

[wordpix]

54. not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything but

I wonder who put these guys up to it...? :scared:

[Supersedeas]

57. RW America showing their true colors

[bdamomma]

84. you never know with these thugs. the WH thugs that is.

[bjobotts]

106. Just refer to the assassination of the chairman of the Arkansas Dem party last week

[bjobotts]

108. Wish it were indoors.Neocons think they can promote war better with Biden, like LBJ

[Pavulon]

60. Meth talking

assuming he would not be shot by counter sniper first which he would.

a 300 win mag at 750 yards on a moving target... Hit that pipe again.

So meth man needs to compensate for 30 foot of drop and almost two seconds of flight time. Minor differences in rounds mean feet at that range.

Oh yeah any cross wind mean feet of windage adjustment.

Sorry this doofus looks like he cant figure out a tip on his waffles.

[MilesColtrane]

96. Radio report I heard said that the attempt was going to be at Invesco Field Thursday.

Hopefully the SS has eliminated almost all sight lines outside of the stadium.

[Froward69]

217. Their are none

Mile high has no buildings or structures around it that can see into the stadium.

[lonestarnot]

63. Crazy fuckers!

[mojowork_n]

50. Hey, it's not theA first "incident" this summer!

A chartered jet flying the candidate from Chicago, to North Carolina, had to be diverted to St. Louis after an unexplained 'mishap' in the plane's tail section. An inflatable escape chute somehow was *partially* inflated after take-off, affecting critical control cables in the tail of the jet. Pilots immediately sensed something was wrong.

This website has photos of the partially inflated chute, and the safety lockdown on the metal cannister that normally holds these chutes. (These things are *not* designed to "accidentally" deploy in mid-flight.)

http://aircrewbuzz.com/2008/07/ntsb-photos-and-update-on-incident.html

The NTSB is investigating how "turbulence" could have caused this.

http://digitizedrevolution.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/jeff-wise-mechanic-obamas-plane-could-have-lost-control-in-anomaly/


...This reply could get lost this far down, so I'm re-posting farther up-thread.

[The Hope Mobile]

100. Yeah, I overheard something earlier about a fire at the convention

I guess it must not have been a big deal but it made me wonder . . .

[gi4obama]

109. a fox camera crew started the

sprinkler system... the lights from their equipment overheated.

[The Hope Mobile]

218. thanks for the info!

[NoodleyAppendage]

56. REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS. Let's see if Junior the War Criminal will ship them to Cuba.

Hmmmm...let's see this is the THIRD incident involving disguntled white, conservative males against Democrats or those with liberal ideals. I'm seeing a pattern and I would like for Jr. to follow through on his word and treat these fuckers like the TERRORISTS they are.

If you take out Obama, m'fers, I can guarantee you a new civil war. You want to hunt down liberals? Bring it on, wimps. Here's a liberal who will not take it anymore.

[boomerbust]

73. Noodle

You got it Noodle, these fools think that liberal means pussy, but I can garuantee you there are many angry liberals out here that are armed to the teeth, And an incident like this might just start the next civil war.

[meow2u3]

219. If conservatives think liberal means pussy..

they're forgetting pussies have sharp claws, sharp teeth, and sharp fighting skills, and will become vicious when cornered. Underestimate a pussy at your own peril, bully-boy conservative TERRORISTS!!

[GrizzlyMan]

58. Lock them up and throw a way the key

This is the kind of shit that makes me really, really mad. There's so much sickness in the world, it's chilling at times.

[gi4obama]

59. Here is his picture

Tharin Gartrell

[lonestarnot]

66. creepy look'n fuckwad.

[lonestarnot]

67. Where did you get the pic? And how do you know that's him?

[gi4obama]

68. lol

it is on the website....



http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html



scroll down half way down the page and you will see the photo.

[gi4obama]

69. There is also a video...Tharin Gartrell is the suspects name.

[NBachers]

119. Reminds me of this guy -

[gi4obama]

125. Ah, Fargo. That guy's character was insane.

[slackmaster]

134. Yup, paranoid tweaker

Lock him up until he gets clean and grows up.

[Prophet 451]

61. Hate to say it but I was expecting this n/t

[MasonJar]

65. I have been very worried about Obama and Hillary since the primaries began.

Not only are there a lot of evil doers out there and neocons who want to avoid jail and bigots, there are also just looney tunes.

[harun]

137. Me too. I think RW talk radio is going to push a lot of these nuts over the edge (n/t)

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[janetblond]

77. Put their @$$es in JAIL for 50 years and take Karl Rove with them! nt.

!!

[bdamomma]

79. oh boy, the sickies are out.

the SS better protect Obama.

[Gman]

80. No doubt they aren't the only plot in Denver this week

God willing they will not be successful.

[Pavulon]

83. news from the 1000 yard line

this assumes a person with a rifle could get within 750 yards of a candidate without having their teeth blown onto the wall behind them before they had a chance to set up...

the 300 win mag has a 20 foot drop (or so, did not run it through the computer) at 750 yards. It (the round) will be in the air for almost 2 seconds. Variances in box ammo at that range translate to feet of drop, so handloads worked up on a chrono are the only way to do something like that. Not a meth heads hobby, little bit intense. To shoot benchrest with any consistency takes thousands of rounds of practice and happens in controlled circumstance. This assumes a person has context and can adjust for all kinds of things going on while setting up.

Wind of any type would move a round feet left or right at a 750 yard line.

This person does not like he could compute a tip. However glad he was caught before had a chance to hurt anyone. Or cause a federal agent psychological distress after that agent had to put a round in his head.

Sadly this stuff is a danger. These people will get more stirred up as the election gets closer.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

88. There is a whole lot of sniper fetishism going on out there.

And of course, we both know that long range sniping is not something one just does. On the other hand, we don't know if the intended shooter had gone through someone's scout sniper school or what other preparations and traing up had been done.

Yeah, it would have been hard to pull something like this off, but hardly impossible.

[Recursion]

95. The hard part of sniper training isn't the shooting

it's the day movement.

[slackmaster]

179. These dudes definitely flunked day movement

:rofl:

[Recursion]

180. Yeah, that's what I was getting at

:)

It's decidedly non-trivial to set up a shooting position in an urban setting without being detected.

[Stern21]

90. There have been 4 arrests so far and they also had a spotting scope

according to the most recent report I've read.

There's been an admission of that's why they were there and it seems only one of them had meth.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

104. A sniper and a spotter...

Points off to more than just a casual whim by some meth heads. It points off to on-the-ground knowledge and experience.

[Stern21]

115. My thoughts exactly.

You have a two man team with one measuring wind, distance and temps. Not a good sign.

If not ex-military or a spook, they've done their research at least. Finally seeing it mentioned on CNN.

[Pavulon]

202. No it looks like a racist tweaker

without inviting a visit from the federal government I will say that hitting a person at that range at that place would be near impossible. It really is not like the movie with marky mark in it, or was that his brother. Either way hitting a person at around half a mile in a secure ares is not possible with these guys. You can see the stupid in there eyes.

Anyone who is really intending harm would find a more effective way than with a rifle.

I have shot distance and have been through boot camp, that does not make me a sniper. Nothing close.

Those types of guys dont use rifles and dont get caught.

[Bette Noir]

111. I wou ldn't want to take the chance.

[High Plains]

182. Ooh, guns!! Let's all masturbate.

And think about killing commies.

[Pavulon]

204. Dumb and dumber

would have a better chance of living if they just put those rifle barrels in their mouths and pulled the trigger with their big toe than trying to take a shot at that convention.

What is your point? Other than you are or were a / going to jerk off?

[Dead Elephant]

85. Stop the Drama Vote Obama

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330264410642&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=014

[DissedByBush]

86. Uh-oh, they said "sniper rifle"

That sounds scary!

Wanna bet it was a regular old hunting rifle? I'd lay money on it not being anything close to what is considered a sniper rifle by professionals.

Still, kudos to the cops for catching these dangerous whackos. Meth, guns and criminals, not a good mix.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

89. Crystal

is such a scourge in this country, and here in L.A. Mens' Central Jail is full of meth addicts. Seems to almost have completely replaced crack, and meth heads are capable of serious violence. One of my neighbors has a restraining order against her 29 year old son because he's assaulted her, and he's also been arrested for assaulting his ex-wife and 2 girlfriends. He favors their heads. It has gotten so bad that there is a separate group from N.A. that deals only with crystal addicts.

Of course, our country has a tragic history of assassinations, but I think if exremely tight security protected Bush all these years, Barack will be okay.

[RaleighNCDUer]

102. I suspect that it was not watertight security which kept Bush safe all

this time - it's the fact that no one would be stupid enough to put Cheney in the drivers' seat.

[Barack_America]

93. I'm sorry, what evidence is there that this had ANYTHING to do with Obama?

[thewiseguy]

97. They were asked about it

According to CBS one of the suspects was asked whether he had came to Denver to kill Obama. The suspect responded in the affirmative.

The guy at the hotel also told the authorities that the two men had planned to kill Obama at his acceptance speech.

http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

[Barack_America]

98. Thanks. nt

[debunkthelies]

99. Interesting

Perfect excuse for more police state lock-down tactics, seems very suspect to me, but then, since 2000 I have been a little paranoid. :hide: And now 8 yrs. later I wonder if I'm paranoid enough. :rofl:

[WheelWalker]

113. If you're not a little paranoid, you're crazy.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

101. Ahh, Meth and Guns.

[Chisox08]

103. Those Right Wing Terrorist

If anybody deserves Guantanamo Bay and enhanced interrogation was those four right wing terrorist

[barack the house]

107. It's not a wise move by them as Biden will not go so easy on them the super rich probalby pay more.

[barack the house]

110. Don't be fearful folks fear invites misfortune and panic. Just be calm and keep them safe in our -->

prayers.

[Name removed]

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[Kire]

116. CNN's correspondent is not very concerned

He was talking to larry king a few minutes ago.

He really seems disappointed that it's "not credible".

I'm only listening to the audio, so I don't know his name.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

118. It scares the hell out of me

I fear what could happen with the nuts out there listening to Limpballs, BecKKK and Savage Weiner.

[Stern21]

120. They are now saying more arrests possible in Obama plot

http://www.kptm.com/Global/story.asp?S=8899448

DENVER (AP) - Two more men are under arrest in what officials say is an investigation into a man who may have made threats against Barack Obama.

A police detective in Aurora, Colorado -- outside Denver -- says the new arrests were made at hotels in and outside Denver. 1 of the men was allegedly hurt jumping from a sixth floor window.

[gi4obama]

122. Those aren't new arrests.

[bluestateguy]

121. Rendition them off to some third world shithole

and then slit their fucking throats.

Even if they end up being not guilty, hey, it's two less Nazis on the planet.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

126. Why?

What's the motive?

They certainly don't seem to be fundy freakazoids. Are they racist assholes? Hired assassins?

[agentS]

127. I'm willing to bet #2

People seem to have forgotten what the Ruby Ridge/Waco/Oklahoma City/Olympics of Atlanta crowd is really capable of.
I haven't. They're always threat #1 in my book.

People like them are notorious for being driven and callous and hate-filled.
We may hear the last of these guys but it won't be the last of guys like them.
As long as the likes of Klannity and Limblaugh are still on the air feeding these guys 24 hours of hate radio, they'll have the inspiration to get up and shoot any black/woman/Democrat who stands against them or is perceived to.

That is the difference between us and the Conservatives. We may hate them, but we don't shoot up their churches or try to shoot their candidates.
They on the other hand, are no better than the Taliban.

[gi4obama]

131. I agree these people should not be released.

[ForeignSpectator]

133. The blond one's face just screams "white supremacist hate", the right one looks

like his wife (i.e. his sister) won't be able to pay the bail 'cos she couldn't sell their "Ford on the blocks".
Let me guess, he was the one who jumped out of the 6th story window?

Prime examples of "white supremacy", ugly and dumb as rocks.

I hope it makes the round in prison what they were up to...

[slackmaster]

135. I see two pathetic clowns who have just thrown away the better part of their lives

Idiots.

[tanyev]

173. The one on the right looks like he's related to Cletus Delroy Spuckler.

[Stump]

128. The Feds are planning a press conference...

this afternoon sometime. Maybe it'll shed a bit more light on their true intentions.

[cdb]

139. Assassination attempt on Obama Foiled

Source: cbs4denver.com

Denver's U.S. attorney is expected to speak on Tuesday afternoon about the arrests of four people suspected in a possible plot to shoot Barack Obama at his Thursday night acceptance speech in Denver. All are being held on either drug or weapons charges.

One of those suspects spoke exclusively to CBS4 investigative reporter Brian Maass from inside the Denver City Jail late Monday night and said his friends had discussed killing Obama.


Read more: http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

---

Really horrible scumbags... on meth

[hopewell1985]

140. hate radio

is a big influence

[liberal N proud]

141. My thoughts exactly

I think of the hate that Limbaugh spews and the people like these monsters feed on it.

[maxrandb]

147. It's more than "Limpballs"

Heard Don Imus this morning saying; "I'm 310 miles south of Denver. I'm going to go out and sit on the mesa and I hope to see smoke coming from Denver"

Of course...he was "just kidding around" :rolleyes:

[cdb]

149. Sounds like inciting violence is now legitimate "entertainment"

more than ever

[Kelvin Mace]

142. Yeah, I'd bet a chunk of money

that if you check their car radios it would be Rush, Sean, Bill'o and friends.

[smiley_glad_hands]

143. Meth heads with guns listening to rush. n/t

[cdb]

144. Thats the Repug base

meth heads with guns listening to Rush

[maple25]

145. I love how...

the police feel there is no credible threat. right...

[Tempest]

167. Not the police, but Bush's Justice Department

U.S. Attorney Troy Eid said the case was under investigation.

"We're absolutely confident there is no credible threat to the candidate, the Democratic National Convention, or the people of Colorado," Eid said in a prepared statement.


Naturally they would want to see Obama assassinated.

[WriteDown]

146. Eh....

Meth heads and white supremacists? Not a suprise. I don't ascribe political parties to these kind of clowns. Just typical dangerous morons. I don't see myself ever jumping down 6 stories...ever.

[DS1]

148. If they were going against McCain they'd be up on terrorism charges

[RedEarth]

150. Google links to various articles and an updated article from LA Times

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1239969303

DENVER -- More details emerging from Denver as we write this in the predawn hours on the now suspected plot to assassinate Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama with a high-powered rifle on national television during his outdoor acceptance speech at Invesco Field Thursday night.

Authorities have reported a fourth arrest in the unfolding plot that The Ticket first wrote about here a few hours ago at the end of Monday night's Democratic National Convention events at the Pepsi Center.


Tharin Gartrell, a convicted felon, one of four arrested in Denver in a reported plot to assassinate Senator Barack Obama on national TV during his nomination acceptance speech at Invesco Field Thursday night

We knew then that authorities in suburban Aurora had stopped a pickup truck for swerving between lanes early Sunday morning in what they thought was a routine drunk driving incident.

But in the rented vehicle of Tharin Gartrell, a 28-year-old convicted felon, they found two high-powered scoped rifles, ammunition, sighting scopes, radios, a cellphone, a bulletproof vest, wigs, drugs and fake IDs.


According to Brian Masss of Denver's KCNC Channel 4, under questioning Gartrell implicated two other men -- Nathan Johnson, who is 32, and Shawn Adolph, who is 33 -- and Johnson's girlfriend, Natasha Gromack. Johnson also reportedly confirmed the plot to FBI and Secret Service interrogators.

One of the men, Adolph, reportedly wore a ring with the Nazi swastika. He was injured when he jumped out of a hotel window fleeing Secret Service agents. All are now in custody on drug and weapons charges.

The U.S. Atty. Troy Eid declined to elaborate on Monday but said there is no credible threat to the party's convention or to the freshman Illinois senator, who was campaigning in Kansas City Monday and traveling to Montana today.

But the television station reports that under questioning the men admitted there was indeed a plot to kill Obama during his speech before some 70,000 supporters and a nationwide television audience.

More details are expected to emerge later today when Eid holds a news conference at 4 p.m. Denver time.

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-totobama27-2008aug27,0,839130.story

[slackmaster]

151. Unfortunately, these pitiful amateurs aren't the biggest problem for security

Barney Fife could have caught these clowns. I hope the Secret Service, FBI, etc. are on the ball.

[cdb]

152. Just imagine sober, dedicated and well trained white supremacists..

it's a pretty grim scenario.

[slackmaster]

153. Exactly - A "sniper rifle" is useless without an actual sniper

In the hands of an undisciplined meth-addled child it's a liability.

[cdb]

154. these guys were seasoned felons, however

and they may have had a certain amount of "street smarts"


and just musing now with the tin-foil hat on...could they have been put out there as a trial balloon by some larger group?

[slackmaster]

155. At least one of them didn't have enough street smarts to keep his fucking mouth shut

One of them admitted he was planning to kill Senator Obama.

and just musing now with the tin-foil hat on...could they have been put out there as a trial balloon by some larger group?

That doesn't sound tin-foily to me at all.

These guys could just be patsies, creating a distraction from the real plot.

[cdb]

156. well, meth can make you one a bit "chatty" especially

especially when facing a long sentence...

[slackmaster]

157. The latest survey by the San Diego County Sheriff's Dept. showed 25% of males booked into jail

Testing positive for amphetamines. The stuff has an amazing capacity for bringing out violence and wrecklessness in people.

80% tested positive for alcohol.

[cdb]

158. San Diego?

What about someplace like Missouri, where every other kitchen is a meth lab, according to a friend of mine who lives there

[slackmaster]

160. At one point in the '80s San Diego was considered the "meth capitol" of the USA

Regional pride perhaps, but precursor chemicals could be smuggled in easily from Mexico. I do believe they have relocated to rural America. Pahrump, Nevada is considered a hot spot for meth laba now.

[AmyCamus]

159. "We're absolutely confident there is no credible threat to the candidate,":?????????

"And yet we called all the newspapers and TV channels to announce we caught people plotting to shoot him...."
There are scumbags on both ends of this story.

[cdb]

164. well, it's not credible NOW

because they caught the scumbags

[gatorboy]

172. Would you trust anything a Rove lackey says?

http://www.progressnowaction.org/page/community/post/ralphtrenary/CqRT

[IronLionZion]

161. Oh fuck these people

Kudos to the law enforcement officers for catching these bastards. I'm praying for Obama's safety (and his family and Biden's too).

[demo dutch]

162. This is not the first and won't be the last! This is a sick country!

[tomreedtoon]

168. Don't worry. The REAL assassins are still to come.

I took a lot of crap here at DU for suggesting that Obama would be assassinated before the election, and that the police and Secret Service would allow it to happen. These guys were arrested in a traffic stop. The police weren't looking for assassins. Q.E.E.

It doesn't matter that the assassins themselves are drug-addled stumblebums. They are the distraction. The real killers will work under their cover. And there are a lot of them, more than anybody here believes could exist. It will still happen, boys and girls. Our police and security forces are just that lazy and stupid.

[slackmaster]

175. I have to agree with tomreedtoon here

The meth head idiots are patsies.

[Kajsa]

163. What?!?

U.S. Attorney Troy Eid said the case was under investigation.

"We're absolutely confident there is no credible threat to the candidate, the Democratic National Convention, or the people of Colorado," Eid said in a prepared statement.

How does he know that?

Is Eid taking this seriously or what?

:wtf:

[bdamomma]

165. I hope those Secret Service guys do their jobs

correctly. There are too many sick/hateful people out there.

[trthnd4jstc]

166. I hear a lot of White Men in the St. Louis Area Joke about Sen. Obama Being Assasinated.

I am disgusted by the Racist Hatred that Some White Men have. I have heard it first hand. These Men for Some Reason are such Haters of Life, These men Love Guns, love to kill animals for trophies, love to feel superior, and they vote Republican. It is such a shame. I hope that Sen. Obama can stay alive. It is such a shame that Racism exists. These Men are part of what is holding us back as a nation, and strangely, most of this group are not wealthy, but serve their wealthy bosses, and their bosses, of course, hold the same evil viewpoints.

[TankLV]

169. Can we have a GUN BAN for the duration of this convention in this place NOW?!?!

If they could do it in the "wild west" two centuries ago, I'm sure it would be acceptable and PRUDENT now...

I am so sick and tired of the "gotta have my guns with me 24/7/365 whereever I go" crowd...

FOR THIS WEEK IN THIS CITY GUNS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMAIN HOME. PERIOD.

[knixphan]

170. no kidding!

seconded.

[slackmaster]

171. Sure, why not?

They already have a free speech ban. Why not just toss out everything else?

Right to due process, habeas corpus, speedy trials? Those rights are outdated.

Protection against unreasonable search and seizure? Only people who have things to hide need to worry about that anyway.

And that silly protection against self-incrimination thingy. Anyone who is arrested and doesn't say anything should be assumed to be guilty.

FOR THIS WEEK IN THIS CITY GUNS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMAIN HOME.

Yes, it's so obvious! People who think about assassinating a political leader will surely comply, because they respect authority and don't want to get into trouble!

WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!

:dunce:

[Pavulon]

203. Yeah, i am sure tweaker racists

are going to follow that rule on the way to murder. The gun was stolen and possessed by a felon.

He broke a few rules already.

Not a gun thing.

[Prayingforrain48]

174. Why was one of the guys interviewed for television?

Seriously, I think that it's terrible that the local news station did an interview with one of these terrorists (as it would've been targeting a civilian for political purposes). All that would accomplish is to encourage more people who share their desires. I can't believe that an established news organizataion would be so irresponsible.

[slackmaster]

176. The only thing present-day news organizations care about is audience share

Which translates to profit.

[Locrian]

178. ahoy - red herrings abound

Just my tin foil hat here ...

But it seems like to best way to throw everyone off would be to have a bunch of meth, swastikas, bibles, korans, whatever with you (if you were actually covert ops). That way it's just another loony tune crank head right? Not a highly trained assassin.

[brooklynite]

183. 3 arrested in possible plot to harm Obama

Source: KUSA

DENVER – Police have arrested three people they believe are possibly linked to a white supremacy group in connection with a threat against Sen. Barack Obama.

For one of the men, officers found two rifles, ammunition, scopes and methamphetamines following a routine traffic stop on Sunday.

Aurora Police arrested 28-year-old Tharin Gartrell of Lakewood early Sunday morning and he was being held in the Arapahoe County jail. He has a felony criminal record.

A second man was arrested at Cherry Creek Hotel in Glendale on Monday. NBC News reports that when police knocked, the man jumped out a sixth floor window, injuring himself. He ran into nearby bushes where officers apprehended him. Authorities say he had weapons.

Read more: http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=98343&catid=188

[Olney Blue]

184. Good police work.

[ret5hd]

185. Note to self:

When hiding from police, get ground floor room.

[fascisthunter]

186. Right WIng Terrorism.... repeat it

and keep repeating it, so it sinks in for other Americans. Time to fight back with the truth.

[judasdisney]

199. Only Democrats get assassinated. Only the Right Wing has Death Squads in this world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_network

[Mz Pip]

187. And so it begins

The whack jobs are enboldened by all the hate filled rhetoric of RW media.

I'm glad there is the secret service presence that there is. I sadly doubt this will be the last we hear of disgusting attempts like this.

[yellerpup]

188. Methamphetamine, drug choice of Timothy McVeigh and RW assassins

in America. Probably feeling superior because of his pasty skin tone. :puke:

[shireen]

189. disgusting

those people make me sick.

[jeff30997]

190. I'm pretty sure that those...

scumbags are faithful Limbaugh and O'Reilly fans.Those 2 were caught but like cockroaches

when you see one that means that there are others hiding somewhere.

[CitizenPatriot]

191. I'll take up that call: RIGHT WING TERRORISM

blog it, youtube comments it, digg it, repeat it an nauseam! way to fight back -- I love it:-)

[MasonJar]

192. Get that! Not Muslims or Blacks, but White Supremacy jerk-offs.

[Phred42]

193. Exactly - But That's a point that will be ignored as much as possible

[tburnsten]

200. Idiot meth heads

never had a chance. I'm glad they were caught, wish it had happened a little quicker though.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

205. Officials Probe Link Between Colorado Arrests, Possible Obama Threat

Source: Washington Post

DENVER, Aug. 25 -- Law enforcement authorities are investigating a possible threat against Sen. Barack Obama in connection with the arrests on Sunday of three men suspected of firearms and drugs violations in the Denver suburbs. One arrest followed a dawn raid on a hotel that involved a suspect leaping through the window of his sixth-floor room while trying to flee local police.

The police chief in Glendale, Colo., where the hotel is located, said information uncovered in the course of his department's investigation led to the case being turned over to the Secret Service, the FBI, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082600063.html

[kestrel91316]

206. Why even bother reporting, since it has already been determined

that there was "no credible threat"?

:sarcasm:

I mean, really - wouldn't you want to do an in depth investigation FIRST, before you came to such a conclusion???

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

207. I'm not sure what that means either.

Are they investigating non credible threats? I bet they had them on surveillance for drugs and used the threat for probable cause.

David

[kestrel91316]

208. IIRC, NPR and other posts and news reports. I've heard it more than

once, even LAST NIGHT when the story broke.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

209. I got it.

Thanks.

David

[napi21]

210. That's not exactly what I heard reported. I heard they arrested

the ONE GUY (the one with the blond hair) that is suspected of threatening Obama. THEN they arrested 2 other guys, but in THEIR case, there was no creditable threat. They even whowed the first guy's pic, and after telling HIS story, they then showed the other two together.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

211. That makes more sense.

[Stern21]

213. Just because they were carrying 700 yard sited high powered rifles, spotting scopes,

wigs, communication devices, bullet proof vests, other miscellanea and admitted they were there to kill Obama doesn't mean there was a credible threat.

They were probably on their way to an African safari. Just going hunting.

Couldn't be anything else because all gun owners are patriotic law abiders. Just ask one. :)

[Pavulon]

214. Those mouth breathers

looked like they could compute the performance of a 30 cal round over 650m. 25 foot drop, 2 second flight time, feet of windage correction for a slight breeze computed on the fly from years of experience and thousands of rounds. Working designated marksmen often take several shots before hitting a person on the battle field, they get that option because the person may not know they are being shot at or there is no counter sniper working for them.

Not quite the situation in denver.

Mmm, no, that dude looks like he could not figure the tip out on his waffles.

Hobby of mine, I have a 308 that can put rounds under a coffee cup at 600m line and it takes lots of money and time to do that on a calm day. I mean many thousands and hundreds of hours at a range a year. Those idiots would be shot dead before they got setup.

[Webster Green]

212. Law enforcement agencies cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

We may never know if this was an assassination plot.