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CesarAugustus2 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:29 PM
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Facing criticism, Obama modifies Jerusalem stance
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama amended his support for Israel's stance on Jerusalem on Thursday, saying Palestinians and Israelis had to negotiate the future of the holy city.

Palestinian leaders reacted with anger and dismay on Wednesday to Obama saying Jerusale

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0547673120080605
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:38 PM
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1. I do not see anything wrong with the statement..
Considering the two parties involved, they need to pull their head out of their asses and straighten this shit out.

Israel is WRONG for attempting to annex land that is not theirs and Palestinians need to learn to be more verbally engaged with Israel and not try to find solutions in armed resistance.

I think that Jerusalem should belong TO NO ONE. It should be its very own state where both parties can come to too without hostility. If they can not come to a reasonable understanding then neither should claim rights to it.

Give Palestine their lands back, tell Israel to back the fuck off and make Jerusalem a separate state all together which would belong to neither one.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:23 PM
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3. More than 'both' parties,
MANY express interest in Jerusalem. We need REAL diplomacy there.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:07 PM
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13. Obama doesn't agree with the idea of an 'open city'.
As he stated in his AIPAC speech, "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided". Now Obama says Palestine and Israel have to negotiate the future of Jerusalem. Obama appears to go with which way the wind is blowing leaving us to wonder just how much thought he has given to any of the issues.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:52 PM
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2. He said WHAT???
Fuckin' A, what I'd give for a politician with spine enough to stand up to AIPAC.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:30 PM
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4. Me, too. But at least he modified his stance.
NT!

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:18 PM
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14. He didn't modify his stance. But the truth is that Israel will never give up Jerusalem
It's a complete non starter. No matter how you feel about it, it quite simply will never ever ever ever happen.

There is pretty much ZERO support in Israel for giving up even part of Jerusalem. They would sooner give up everything but Tel Aviv and Jerusalem than give up even half of Jerusalem.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:32 PM
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5. Obama Camp Denies Backtracking on "Undivided" Jerusalem
Asked for comment, the Obama campaign put a reporter in immediate contact with Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla. -- an Orthodox Jew, a strong supporter of Israel and Obama's point man on many of these issues -- who told ABC News, "that is not backtracking."

"His position has been the same for the past 16 months," Wexler said. "He believes Jerusalem should be an undivided city and must be the capital of a Jewish state of Israel. He has also said -- and it's the same position as President Bush, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Prime Minister Ehud Ohlmert -- that Jerusalem is of course a 'final status' issue," meaning it would be one of the key and final points of negotiation for a Palestinian state. "And Sen. Obama as president would not dictate final status issues. He will permit the Palestinians and Israel to negotiate, and he would respect any conclusion they reach."

Wexler concluded, "the articles are not picking up this position. They're not contradictions -- they're the same position."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-camp-deni.html
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:33 PM
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6. So that means he's back to pissing off the Palestinians, then.
Saying "Jerusalem should be an undivided city and must be the capital of a Jewish state of Israel" is pretty much front-loading America's influence in to the future negotiations on that topic, I'd say.
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:35 PM
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7. I sometimes thing that the world would be better off if Jerusalem was just bulldozed flat.
I'm so tired of the three great sky god religions killing each other over a bit of real estate they all consider holy. It all the holy sites were gone, what would be their excuse for fighting over it? That is after all what we do with children when they fight over their toys....take them away.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:43 PM
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15. imply find another justification to continue killing
If all the Holy sites were gone-- indeed, even were religion and philosophy gone, mankind would simply find other justifications to continue killing one another over land, power and money.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:03 AM
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8. So Obama is not that much different from Hillary
Wonder what Dennis Kuicinich's stance is on this issue, not that it matters now.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:10 AM
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9. Good. thank you for posting this as I hadn't seen it. nt
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:13 AM
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10. his statement sounded stronger than it was
but once you unpacked it, well, that's politics.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:54 AM
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11. If the United States of America continues in this wrong direction, we will continue
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 07:55 AM by Jefferson23
to be part of the problem...I support Obama and Wexler for the most part, but this is extremely disappointing to me. I honestly don't know what it will take for the majority of American's to demand a more equitable approach to this serious human rights problem.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:38 AM
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12. I'm very glad to see Obama change (or clarify) his position on this issue.
He has backed off from what appeared to be U.S. dictation of one of the key terms of a peace treaty. That is good. I'm glad to see such flexibility, as well as more of one of Obama's most positive qualities--he LISTENS! He listens, thinks and revises. He is TUNED IN. We have had such DEAFNESS in our leaders (including our party leaders) for so long, our people, our country and the world are a-boil with the tensions and anxiety of having no say in the actions and policies of this violent, bullying U.S. government. It is an excellent first step to a new kind of leadership--and a better country--to have a leader who doesn't react like an arrogant bully when he is opposed or criticized, who isn't a congenital liar, and who has sufficient self-confidence and honesty to listen to a wide spectrum of views, and to revise his own views when he gets new information. Jeez, we have been so lacking in this kind of leadership--INTELLIGENT leadership--for so long!

I have some grave concerns about Obama's foreign policy in the M/E and in South America. But at least he listens, thinks and revises. That is a good start toward understanding just how badly the Bush Junta has damaged us in the world, in every way imaginable--from indebtness to China and Saudi Arabia, to the outsourcing of our manufacturing capability, to our disgraceful, warmongering activities against DEMOCRACIES in South America (those with the oil!), to the horrendous, criminal slaughter of 1.2 million Iraqis to get their oil, to the torture of thousands of prisoners, and on and on. The world has re-aligned itself in reaction to U.S. lawlessness, and those re-alignments are going to take a lot of LISTENING TO. In South America, for instance, with new leftist governments, covering virtually the entire continent, they are well on their way to creating a South American "Common Market"--and, recently proposed by Brazil, a common defense--without the U.S. The Bushites have been so hostile to democracy in South America, and so devious and destructive in their "divide and conquer" activities, and THREATS--including reconstituting the 4th Fleet (a nuclear fleet) to roam around off the coast of Venezuela, and funding and organizing fascist secessionist movements in the oil-rich provinces of Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia--that South America feels obliged to arm itself against US. WE are their enemy! There is no other.

This didn't have to be. These new social justice governments in South America are FRIENDS of the American PEOPLE. They don't hate us. They hate Bush--and Exxon Mobil and the World Bank! So, who is Obama going to align himself with? Can he repair the damage between our peoples--and begin a new era of respect, of fairness, and partnership that isn't just shuckin jive for global corporate predators and "war on drugs" war profiteers? He's shown a tendency to REPEAT Bushite "talking points" (as in his speech to the Miami mafia). But he does have the ability to listen, and revise his views, and that is hopeful, and a good first step. LISTENING, rather than dictating; REVISING, rather bullying; NEGOTIATING, rather than killing and torturing.

And he has to do this EVERYWHERE on the planet. There is virtually no relationship between our people and other peoples that the Bushites and collusive Democrats have not totally fucked up.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:33 AM
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16. Another classic outing for the 'true/false statement'
Say something in an arena that gets maximum coverage, and then a few days later get some underlings to quitely amend or deny he said that.

Reminds me of someone.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:48 AM
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17. Memo to Obama
In case you hadn't noticed we have had 8 years of this garbage.

We have become 'politically educated' whether we wanted to or not.

While this stuff may have worked in the past, now if you want to piss people off this is the way to go.
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