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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:14 AM
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Colombian vice-president calls for debate on cocaine
Source: Politics.co.uk

Colombian vice-president calls for debate on cocaine
Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:14
Lack of UK debate leaves Colombia few ways to tackle illegal drug trade

The Colombian vice-president, Francisco Santos, appeared to call for a debate about the legalisation of cocaine today at an event in London also attended by Home Office minister, Vernon Coaker. But Mr Santos said there was not the political will in the UK to have a discussion about the legalisation of cocaine, the production of which has long been cited as one of the contributing factors to the continued political instability in Colombia.

He said: "In the case of Colombia and this country the discussion of legalisation is something that does not have the political will or the possibility of becoming a reality in the near future. So in Colombia, where a lot of illegal groups fund through this kind of operation we have no other option in terms of combating it. The debate is open but we wish it had a louder sense in terms of how we can reduce consumption and production."

The event, in Trafalgar Square was designed to demonstrate the environmental and social destruction caused by cocaine use. It also followed a summit yesterday which aimed to explore how efforts to cut cocaine use can be enhanced.

The government is concerned about the rise in cocaine use despite the fact that there has been little material rise in recent years. The Home Office says cocaine is the only drug which has risen in use since 1998 and although cocaine use has been stable since 2000 - fewer than five per cent of adults have used the Class A drug in the last year - the government says it is determined to strengthen efforts against it.

Read more: http://www.politics.co.uk/news/domestic-policy/drugs/drugs/colombian-vice-president-calls-debate-on-cocaine-legalisation-$1223835.htm
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:15 AM
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1. The British government doesn't get it:
More from the story:

Speaking about the new campaign, Mr Coaker, said it was "just one part of enforcement measures we use."

"The really important thing about drugs policy whether it is in respect of Cannabis or Cocaine is that we have a tough law enforcement approach in respect of that, of course you do, but alongside that people know we also have to have education programmes and treatment programmes so when we have got people in the system we try to help them and work with them," he added.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:21 AM
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2. Cannabis and Cocaine are significantly different.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:22 AM by SimpleTrend
A valid comparison might be made between Cannabis and Coca (the natural leaf precursor to cocaine.)

Myself, I don't see why Coca isn't considered an herb just like many others. I've read some people buy a tea made primarily from coca leaves.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:29 AM
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4. I have some coca powder hanging on my wall.
It's from an entrepreneur in Lima. Little green bags of mashed up leaves, marketed as an energy drink. It could go right next to the Red Bull at the 7-11:

"Energize yourself with pure coca! No sugar, no caffeine, no taurine."
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:40 AM
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5. I've never tried it. Don't know where to get it.
I do buy and consume coffee beans, most of the time by brewing coffee, but chewing the beans is quite 'refreshing'. A bit bitter.

From Wikipedia (coca):
Pharmacological aspects

The pharmacologically active ingredient of coca is the alkaloid cocaine which is found in the amount of about 0.3 to 1.5%, averaging 0.8%<1>, in fresh leaves. Besides cocaine, the coca leaf contains a number of other alkaloids, including methylecgonine cinnamate, benzoylecgonine, truxilline, hydroxytropacocaine, tropacocaine, ecgonine, cuscohygrine, dihydrocuscohygrine, nicotine and hygrine. When chewed, coca acts as a mild stimulant and suppresses hunger, thirst, pain, and fatigue.

Absorption of cocaine from the leaf is much less rapid and efficient than from the purified forms of cocaine, and it does not cause the euphoric and psychoactive effects associated with abuse of the drug. Some proponents have claimed that cocaine itself is not an active ingredient when unprocessed coca leaf is chewed or brewed as an infusion. However, studies have shown that small but measurable amounts of cocaine are present in the bloodstream after consumption of coca tea.<2> Addiction or other deleterious effects from the consumption of the leaf in its natural form have not been documented. <3><4>

History

Traces of coca have been found in mummies dating to 3000 years ago. <5> Extensive archeological evidence for the chewing of coca leaves dates back at least to the sixth century A.D. Moche period, and the subsequent Inca period, based on mummies found with a supply of coca leaves, pottery depicting the characteristic cheek bulge of a coca chewer, spatulas for extracting alkali and figured bags for coca leaves and lime made from precious metals, and gold representations of coca in special gardens of the Inca in Cuzco<6><7> Coca chewing may originally have been limited to the eastern Andes before its introduction to the Incas. As the plant was viewed as having a divine origin, its cultivation became subject to a state monopoly and its use restricted to nobles and a few favored classes (court orators, couriers, favored public workers, and the army) by the rule of the Topa Inca (1471-1493). As the Incan empire declined, the drug became more widely available. After some deliberation, Philip II of Spain issued a decree recognizing the drug as essential to the well-being of the Andean Indians but urging missionaries to end its religious use. The Spanish are believed to have effectively encouraged use of coca by an increasing majority of the population to increase their labor output and tolerance for starvation, but it is not clear that this was planned deliberately.

The drug was first introduced to Europe in the 16th century, but did not become popular until the mid-19th century, with the publication of an influential paper by Dr. Paolo Mantegazza praising its stimulating effects on cognition. This led to invention of cocawine and the first production of pure cocaine. Cocawine (of which Vin Mariani was the best-known brand) and other cocaine-containing preparations were widely sold as patent medicines and tonics, with claims of a wide variety of health benefits. The original version of Coca-cola was among these. These products became illegal in most countries outside of South America in the early 20th century, after the addictive nature of cocaine was widely recognized.

In recent times (2007), the governments of several South American countries, such as Peru, Bolivia and Venezuela, have defended and championed the traditional use of coca, as well as the modern uses of the leaf and its extracts in household products such as teas and toothpaste. (see Industrial Use below)

Traditional uses

Traditional medical uses of coca are foremost as a stimulant to overcome fatigue, hunger, and thirst. It is considered particularly effective against altitude sickness. It also is used as an anaesthetic to alleviate the pain of headache, rheumatism, wounds and sores, etc. Before stronger anaesthetics were available, it also was used for broken bones, childbirth, and during trephining operations on the skull. Because cocaine constricts blood vessels, the action of coca also serves to oppose bleeding, and coca seeds were used for nosebleeds. Indigenous use of coca has also been reported as a treatment for malaria, ulcers, asthma, to improve digestion, to guard against bowel laxity, as an aphrodisiac, and credited with improving longevity. Modern studies have supported a number of these medical applications. <3>

Much more @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:07 PM
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7. You don't know where to get coca products because they are banned.
Under the 1961 UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs.

But they are still sold in Bolivia and Peru. They used to be sold in Colombia, until the Colombian government announced last year that the only legal coca product was the denatured coca in Coca Cola.

Evo Morales wants to have the coca plant removed from the convention.

I remember talking to a coca farmer in the Apurimac River valley in Peru. "How can a plant be illegal?" he asked. I didn't have a good answer to that.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:27 AM
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3. Eric Clapton to sit in
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:18 PM
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6. It should be legal -
if every dime that was spent on prosecution was spent on prevention, especially in schools (REAL prevention, not that DARE shit), and on rehabilitation, there would be no drug problem. Period.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:45 PM
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8. Cocaine use 'destroys rainforest' (Santos' U.K. cocaine campaign)
Page last updated at 17:06 GMT, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:06 UK
Cocaine use 'destroys rainforest'

The British and Colombian governments have launched a joint drive to highlight the environmental damage caused by cocaine use.

Colombian vice-president Francisco Santos Calderon said taking it was seen as a "victimless crime" in Europe but it was devastating his country.

Some 2.2 million hectares of rainforest had been lost to cocaine production over the last 20 years, he added.

Home Office minister Vernon Coaker said this was the "real price" of the drug.

'Consequences'

The two politicians were joined at the launch of the Shared Responsibility campaign in London's Trafalgar Square by Alex James, the former bassist with the pop group Blur.

Mr Calderon said: "We need to show the consequences - the consequences to human beings and also the consequences to the environment."

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7413454.stm
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:00 PM
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9. Hmmm, coca growing in the rain forest is a direct function of...
...years of aerial spraying of coca crops with herbicides. The farmers head into the rain forest and divide up their crops to avoid the spraying. Your tax dollars at work, again.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:15 PM
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10. Vernon COAKER!? You've got to be kidding. This is a Monty Python skit
...about how a little peasant campesino in Colombia, quietly chewing some coca leaves like his grandparents before him, and their parents and grandparents, and their parents and grandparents, and their parents and grandparents, back all the way to the primordial coca leaf soup that spawned us all, quietly chewing some coca leaves, as I said, like every human being since Adam and Eve, and tending his food crops, to feed his family and trade with his neighbors, brought down the British Empire, when spike-haired purple people eaters from Cambridge by way of Honduras found out what happened when you HEAT it. Big Brother Across the Pond gets all pissy and pays Colombia $5.5 BILLION to eradicate the campesino and claim the land for really BIG coca leaf production. Out go the Brits; in come the Miamians. America keeps DOING this...fucking with our drug routes. Dammall.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:15 PM
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11. That would be one hell of a debate
"AndinconclusionIrepeatthatweneedchangeNOW!!!!!"
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:26 PM
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13. LOL! Translators would have a tough time. But I do think I've seen Bush coked up more than once.
Or maybe it's the dry drunk thing happening. :shrug:

Clenched, grinding jaw, darting eyes, lots of inappropriate sniffling and snortling, sense of invincibility - both physical and oratory.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:26 PM
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12. Can You Run A Car On It?
If so, I'm all for it.
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