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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:17 PM
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Michael Moore: ATTENTION PETER JENNINGS: George W. Bush is a Deserter!!!
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Thursday, January 22nd 2004
ATTENTION PETER JENNINGS: George W. Bush is a Deserter!!!


In tonight's presidential debate, Peter Jennings said that I made a reckless charge about Bush being a deserter. The facts are the facts. The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, The New Republic and numerous other publications have all called into question Bush's whereabouts when he was supposed to be serving our country. The only thing reckless is how people like Peter Jennings refuse to report the truth. More
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:21 PM
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1. Dang!! That didn't take long did it??
BTW I am VERY disappointed in Peter Jennings..I thought he was less 'whorish' than that...
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:24 PM
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2. the only satisfaction i get in network news anymore
is from tom brokaw.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:27 PM
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4. I kinda like Bill Moyer on NOW N/T
:kick:
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:03 PM
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13. Brokaw repeated the "but general, you supported...
the war in congressional testimony", line in his interview of Clark on Monday night. Maybe it was a softball for Clark(swing, and a miss), but the question still pissed me off.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:52 PM
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11. $10 million/year
says jennings is a gold-digger!
what in hell does jennings do that earns almost $30000 a day?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:14 AM
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25. He does what he is told
At the highest echelons that kind of reliability pays plenty.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:21 PM
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16. So did I
I thought he and Hummus were reding off the same page!!


IIIICCCCKKKKK!!!!!!:puke:
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:13 AM
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40. Maybe he hates Bush and just wanted to introduce it
The power of suggestion is a lot. I think Jennings knows this, and maybe he was using it. He only suggested Bush was not doing his job, he only suggested Bush did not show up to work for a year. Just a suggestion, and only the power of suggestion.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:01 AM
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43. I got the same reaction.
He presented the question in a neutral way, by placing it's responsibility on Moore to deflect the GOP attack. This gave the General an opportunity to open the public up to checking out the facts. Here, Clark was deflecting the potential negative tidal wave. Clinton was a master at this. Deflect, but make the public aware and curious. A cautious approach, but it won't kill the story in a sea of negative cover up. I hope it works out, I did see it on CNN's news ticker so may be the media may warm up to it.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:54 AM
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71. Is it possible that he chose this way to get this in the news?
I don't know what the motivation was but why bring it up at all unless you wanted some coverage of a subject that you were restricted from covering. Remember Jennings has a Corporate Boss and must tow the line. A major news organization put this out there and it was dropped by those supposedly wanting Bush*'s job. Why didn't one of them say that they had heard about it and the quickest way for Bush* to dismiss such a rumor would be to release his military records like every other candidate has done.
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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:26 PM
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3. Note to all candidates
This is now out in the world and open for discussion, brought up by Peter Jennings, that prick, so lets make it the BIG issue for at least a little while.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:30 PM
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5. exactly. People are gonna go "George Bush, a deserter? WTF?"
they're gonna want an answer to THAT one.

So let's give it to them.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:24 PM
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18. Jennings is no big Bush fan
I think it's great that he asked even in the manner that he did and that Clark answered as he did. Let Fox plant it in all their listeners' minds.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:31 PM
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6. I thought the media was supposed to report, not spin for the President
Jennings is a Bush ass kisser with no credibility.
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:41 PM
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7. I used to like Peter Jennings.....
up until Tuesday evening, when he actually said that Bush* had improved greatly as a public speaker, from 3 years ago. I thought I was going to choke ... I guess, he missed all of the words that he miss-pronounced from the SOTU speech that night....
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:34 PM
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21. Bush can read an entire sentence without screwing up?

Well, anything would be an improvement, I guess! How many weeks did he practice giving that speech?
:think: :hangover:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:44 AM
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36. Jennings also said that Bush had "mastered the podium" GAG!!
Has Jennings see any of Bush's 11 (only 11!) "press conferences", the ones where he already knows the questions?????????
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:48 AM
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44. Oooh... Master of the Podium .. I knew this would come in handy
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:45 PM
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8. Did Jennings mean that Moore was being reckless
about his own safety? The Bush family is relentless when it comes to getting even with their "enemies."
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:51 PM
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10. Sounds like some Busheviks have had a little talk w/Peter.
Jennings didn't used to be such a whore for George. What's up Mr. J., did you get an envelope with white powder too?

I really am disappointed. I always held P.J. out as a journalist with some remaining integrity. Looks like that just went up in a puff of smoke. It really is a pity Peter! :grr: :puke:
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:57 PM
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12. Guess you're right..
wonder what he was told..can imagine!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:56 AM
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29. Maybe he, or one of his family members, got an anthrax letter.
Because he has, in the past, been more even-handed, and even hard on bush sometimes.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:23 PM
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17. Hope Moore doesn't use small private planes
Doubt it. Smarter than that!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:50 PM
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9. To Michael Moore, who I know checks out the DU
Thank you Thank you Thank you. Just like in court, they are bringing it up, giving us the chance to go on the offensive. Outstanding!!!!!

P.S. I just received your latest book from BuzzFlash and cannot wait to read it. :D
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:10 PM
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14. perhaps
we should all take a moment to write to peter jennings and let him know that we want him to report the truth?


damn, today has been a real blow with the spending bill going through that allows for federal vouchers, takes away overtime, and allows media monopolies to flourish. Things are beginning to look really grim.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:02 AM
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38. Jennings email feedback URL
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:10 AM by krkaufman
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:32 AM
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47. Here's what I sent. Just the facts.
Dear Mr. Jennings,
Last night at the NH debate you seemed to be shocked and incredulous that George Bush could be accused of desertion from the military. Parsing facts very finely, using the strict UCMJ definitions of "desertion" and "AWOL", it's true that technically and legally he was neither. The rest of the story is another matter entirely. Documentation of Bush's military records can be found at www.awolbush.com.
Here is an exhaustively researched article I wrote for an online forum:

AWOL? Deserter? Here are the FACTS.

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#802.%20ART.%202.%20PERSONS%20SUBJECT%20TO%20THIS%20CHAPTER

802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(3)" Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service."

Bush was not in Federal Service, thus not subject to UCMJ, and therefore not AWOL or a deserter under UCMJ.

However, from the Texas Code of Military Justice, which Bush* "may have been" (see below) subject to says:
Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 147, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. § 432.130. Desertion
(a) A member of the state military forces is guilty of desertion if the member:
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the state military forces, enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another of the state military forces, or in one of the armed forces of the United States, without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated.
(b) A commissioned officer of the state military forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away permanently is guilty of desertion.
(c) A person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished as a court-martial directs.

Bush was certainly in violation of one or more of these sections, but notice the law was passed in 1987, well after he was out of the guard. So far, I can find no information as to what the law was when Bush was in the TANG.

I was a pilot in the ALANG 1963-1971. I can find no documentation of Alabama military regulations on the web, but here's what I know to be true from personal experience:
When I joined the guard to be trained as a pilot I signed an agreement, a "contract", if you will. Upon successful completion of USAF pilot training, I was committed for six years of service in the Alabama Air National Guard (ALANG). Pilot training lasted a little over a year, so my basic obligation was for seven years.

If I had done exactly the same thing Bush did, skipped out and not shown up for required drills and Flight Training Periods (FTPs):
1. I would have been located/contacted (if possible) by a superior officer on an "unofficial" level and asked about my absence. In reality, it would have been unthinkable for me or any of my squadron mates to just drop out of sight without any prior communication with my squadron or wing as to a reason for this.
2. If I had no satisfactory "unofficial" explanation I would be required to meet with an evaluation board of senior officers to explain my actions. If necessary, I would have been taken into custody by military police.
3. Now it gets "official" If the board found I had no acceptable excuse, they could offer three options.
a. I could make up the missed periods, possibly by extending my obligation.
b. If I was unwilling to do this, I could have been assigned to "involuntary active duty" (essentially "drafted"), in the Army, as a private, for a period not to exceed the balance of my obligation. At the time, that was a ticket straight to Viet Nam.
c. If I refused, I could be sent to jail for the balance of my obligation, probably to Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary.

You can see why it was in my best interest to show up each and every time with a shine on my shoes and a smile on my face. That Bush was able to shirk his obligation with absolutely no penalty angers me. It was wrong, and he should have paid. But he didn't. He had the right connections and he got off scot free. We can bemoan the fact, and wail and gnash our teeth, but there's no way (that I know of) that this wrong can be righted.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:03 AM
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57. well done
very well thought out.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:23 AM
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64. Everybody write!!!!!!!
Force Jennings into a retraction!
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:18 PM
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15. Bringing it up is no favor to *!
The tone implied that the charge was false. But, bringing it up at all just spreads the idea.

The 'analysis' on Fox after the debate brought the deserter charge up immediately. Dismissed as obviously false, of course. Still, the fact that they thought it worthy of comment suggests that this is an issue that has some bite.

Clark's charge that Bush 'didn't do all he could have done to prevent 9/11' had more substance and mostly got ignored afterward.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:25 PM
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19. Posting the AWOL evidence in GD -
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mike from ri Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:25 PM
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20. thank-u robbed
great research and post
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:42 PM
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22. Get the faxes, emails, calls
going to Peter Jennings and his employer..let them hear from us about what a sellout he is! Swamp them with comments.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:45 PM
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23. Everyone here - email ABC World News Tonight
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 11:51 PM by rmpalmer
Tell them they failed to investigate the allegations that Bush is a deserter or AWOL from his unit. Ask them why the Boston Globe reported it but no network, especially ABC ever reported the story.

Here's their email url.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/WorldNewsTonight/WNT_newemail_form.html

I just sent this off:

In the debate tonight anchor Peter Jennings tried to get General Clark to refute Michael Moore's charge that George W. Bush while serving in the Texas Air National Guard deserted. Peter Jennings implied that these charges were untrue just cause Michael Moore said it. But this was reported in a respected Newspaper, the Boston Globe in - By Walter V. Robinson, Boston Globe Staff, 5/23/2000. It was ABC news and other networks who failed to question candidate George W. Bush or to follow up the well-researched Boston Globe article. There is still time to do so. President Bush has sent troops in to harm's way. 500 have paid with their lives. Thousands have suffered life altering injuries. Bush needs to explain the missing time in his military record. If he wasn't a deserter, he was at least AWOL from his unit. Serious charges in the military. Did his Bush name cause this to be covered up? ABC needs to report the truth to the American people.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:00 AM
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31. Here's what I just sent him:
To Peter Jennings - whose coverage of the Bush White House has been fairly even-handed up til now.

PLEASE, Mr. Jennings, READ UP on the FACTS that George Bush DID INDEED desert his post with the Texas Air National Guard to run off to the eastern seaboard to do politicking. PLEASE LOOK IT UP. Surely the resources of ABC NEWS can help furnish you with some background. HE DID DESERT. HE HAD NO PERMISSION. AND HE REFUSED TO TAKE A FLIGHT PHYSICAL - AND REFUSES TO 'FESS UP AS TO WHY.

Thanks. PLEASE be more objective and NOT JUST ANOTHER Bush bend-over.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:30 AM
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34. heh...
recently, i had a conversation about bush going awol with a couple of vets who were associated with that unit. Both confirmed the story to me... whether they'd do so to the news media i dont know. I lobbed that at ABC - you want to dig into this story? great - contact me... i'll give you contact info for sources that you can try to get public comments from. Basically, put up or shut up.

Here in texas, there are so many vets who KNOW the truth of that story. I dont know why the press wants to talk about it.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:40 AM
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46. My email to Jennings
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 05:40 AM by Zhade
Bush, our alleged 'President' - though both you and I know he stole his way into power - deserted the military for many months.

The relevant documents are freely available, online. No doubt you are aware of this.

Many people have done extraordinary work to bring this truth to light. Yet, despite coverage by the Boston Globe during the 2000 (pointless, as the Republicans planned and rigged everything possible) presidential campaign, ABC remains strangely silent on the truth about Bush's deserter status.

To put it bluntly: the man is not only a traitor to the Constitution and a war criminal, he is also a cowardly deserter so afraid of facing battle that he got his father to pull strings to get him into the Texas Air National Guard - ahead of thousands of better-qualified, less-connected volunteers. He sent other men to die in his place, then dishonored his commitments.

This is the man taunting 'terrorists' in Iraq by crowing "Bring 'em on!" to a fiercely determined resistance, using our sons and daughters as toy soldiers in some demented child's game of war. He has no empathy for anyone, a truly dangerous trait for the man with his finger on the button.

The corporate-consolidated, status quo-appeasing mass media in this country, including ABC News, dispenses dollops of misinformation and stories slanted to hide scandal - true, abhorrent scandal, such as the lies that led to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, not ridiculous distraction scandals like Jacko's latest plea.

Men such as you have two choices: capitulate to the oligarchy running this country and please your masters until they find you useful no more and eliminate you as deemed necessary, or tell the truth.

The truth is so much simpler, so much cleaner, so much more courageous.

Do you remember what that felt like? If you want ever to feel that again, I'd suggest cracking open the criminal stories surrounding Bush.

A good way to start is to produce the truth about Bush's service record and share that with your audience. They will thank you for it, and for showing true integrity and courage.

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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:06 AM
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24. If they got access to bank records for May, 1972 to May, 1973
for Bush, they could nail down where he was. Banks microfilmed cancelled checks even that early.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:15 AM
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26. Good point, Mike
The only thing reckless is how people like Peter Jennings refuse to report the truth.
He called you reckless, but he DIDN'T call you a liar, now, did he?


rocknation
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. Just shot a nasty note to ABC
Thanks for the link.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:46 AM
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28. oh fuck yes
they should never have mentioned it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:56 AM
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30. Well, robbed, do you think the AWOL question will ever be heard from again
I mean...Moore can sing it at the top of his lungs, but the mainstream media won't necessarily do anything about it.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:19 AM
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32. Mission Accomplished !
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 01:21 AM by porkrind
Mission Accomplished!
     | 
     |        What are you doing in
     |        a flight suit?  I thought
     |        you deserted?
     |                 |
Don't ask questions,   |
Peter!                 |
Bow down to me and     |
do my bidding!         |
     |                 |
     |        Yes, Dark Lord.
     |        Is that a sock in your flight
      \       suit or are you just happy to
              see me?
         @            /  
        /|\     @\
         \8=D   /|\
         /\      |_
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:26 AM
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33. he brought it up on national television
I think this is great...now its out there, people will want to check it out. Perhaps, just perhaps...he did this just to plant the seed.
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WhereIsMyFreedom Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:31 AM
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35. I was pissed with the way
Mr. "It is not supported by the facts" Jennings handled the issue. I was also really disappointed by Clark's answer. That would have been the perfect time for a candidate to really start talking about this issue. Maybe if Clark hadn't bothered to look up the information, one of the others could have addressed it. Maybe Clark will release a statement saying that because of Jennings he looked it up and then tell us what the 'facts' are. This is an important issue and I really hope one of them starts the ball rolling.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:50 AM
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37. Clark left the door wide open....he merely said it was "irrelevent"
as a reason why he's running....which is to get Bush out. He offered that he had heard the story bandied about quite a bit.

Look, it it was wise of him to not dirty his hands on this at this point. You don't want to see Clark as the issue now, you want to see the AWOL story as the focus.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:08 AM
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39. force bush* to release his entire military records...that will clear
up any issues about his service...

all policians release their military records for the public....

bush* is one of the few that ever refused to release his military records...that alone suggests that he has something to hide...

bush* should be forced now to release those records, to clear up the controversy....

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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:17 AM
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41. Jennings: "Now that's a reckless charge not supported by the facts..."
I can only wonder which facts he's touting. Did Jennings come across some duty records for shrub from 1972-73 we haven't seen yet?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:00 AM
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42. There is some proof Bush was AWOL based on the documents
However, don't you have to be convicted as a deserter in some sort of military proceeding? Perhaps Moore misspoke, and should have stuck to the AWOL part to avoid the distraction and possible harm to Clark.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:55 AM
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48. Desertion is a bit of Hyperbole
Unlike in Iraq today, being in the National Guard during Viet Nam was a bit of a joke. Lot's of rich kids like Bush used the weekend warrior routine to avoid the draft. A lot of them didn't show up for their training either since nobody was taking it seriously.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:00 AM
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50. Whoa...
...I knew a lot of folks that wanted to have nothing to do with Vietnam, and the National Guard was taken VERY seriously. It was wartime, and penalties for desertion or being AWOL were pretty harsh during that time.

Were you around during that point in time?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. I was around
I had a lot of friends who were desperately looking for guard slots so they could avoid the draft. It was impossible to get a job if you had a high number. I don't think anyone I knew joined the National Guard because they wanted to serve their country. I think many did not take their committment seriously. I don't think it is to young Bush's credit that he joined up, and he could not have gotten in without strings being pulled. That is not desertion though.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. Getting in does not constitute desertion...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 08:51 AM by Flubadubya
not showing up for over a year most certainly does! What's your pont?
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #48
68. he took it seriously enough
to have his father pull strings to get him placed in the NG unit ahead of thousands of more qualified Texans. Just face up the fact that he's a spoiled rich coward of a fucking bastard son of a bitch who is more than willing to send other young men to their deaths but wasn't willing to fulfill his own obligations. He's a hypocritical coward and a spoiled little boy.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #42
49. Junior was a deserter, pure and simple....
...the charge of AWOL only covers a certain finite period of time, usually 30 days, before one gets charged with desertion. According to the official documents, Junior refused to take a flight physical and was grounded.

Following that, Junior disappeared from his command for at least a year, possibly as long as a year and a half. Despite Junior's statements that he transferred to the Alabama National Guard, statements made by such notables as the two most senior officers in the Alabama National Guard clearly and irrefutably dispute Junior's claim. Men were still dying in Vietnam in 1972 while Junior was AWOL/deserting, a charge that got other soldiers severe penalties to include serious military jail-time.

Then Junior made some bogus claim, as did his father, that Junior worked on a political campaign in Alabama. There is nothing to support THAT claim, either.

There is, however, a photo that I personally only saw once, purporting to show Junior working for a community services group in Houston DURING the time he was AWOL/deserting from his Air National Guard command in Texas. Rumors persist that Junior had been busted with coke in his car and his daddy worked a deal to allow him to perform community service. It did not help Junior's case when just a few years ago he obtained a new Texas driver's license, with a completely new identification number. Why did he do that unless he had something to hide?

Finally, Junior was transferred to a command in Colorado from which he was discharged. That particular command was known as an administrative and/or "punishment" command in the 1970s.

AWOL? Not hardly, but you're welcome to your opinion. He was nothing but a deserter.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #42
59. Hey there! I went AWOL for 5 months and 18 days in 1977!
Do you think I was not smart enough to know that what I had done was making me a deserter? I was not that dumb. And people should be smart enough to figure out that Bu$h was not on his post at the time perscribed for him to be there. Still sounds like desertion to me. I`ve been there and done that. But my daddy wasn`t the head of the CIA.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #59
70. I agree
It sure sounds like Bush was a deserter and, personally, I wouldn't care if he weren't pretending otherwise and getting other people killed in his fake war. By the way, if Bush wins in November and reinstates the draft, he's going to have to send the whole damn army to get my son.

:mad:
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:07 AM
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45. I wrote Jennings and
I sent him the link, he should have all the FACTS now. :evilgrin:
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:11 AM
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52. Peter Jennings' assertion that the "claims are unfounded"...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 08:19 AM by Flubadubya
I would simply say to Mr. Jennings that the claims are "unfounded" ONLY because no one has made any serious investigative journalistic search to ferret out whether they are true or not. And my question is "WHY NOT?"

If this charge had been made of President Clinton, there wouldn't be a journalist in this country NOT prying deeply and probingly into the matter. This is just another case of the corporate media not just "not doing their jobs", but actively and complicitly working to cover George Bush's sins. It is despicable and downright "unAmerican". Shame on you Peter Jennings!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. Franken wrote about the Lexis-Nexis search on Clinton and W
From the time each announced they were running for POTUS until their nominations number of articles about or menitioning Clinton's vietnam record/history ~1550 for W ~49.

I don't have those numbers committed to memory so excuse for not being exact.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Begala says 13,641 vs. 49



On the lack of coverage
http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and …in anticipation of this very question, I looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' …and there were 49 stories about Bush and the National Guard," Begala said.

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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #58
66. Thanks for the corrected numbers UP...
that's more like how I remembered it.

I was talking with an uncle of mine the other day (who used to be a staunch Dem - turned Repug... you know the type) and mentioned Bush's AWOL. He had never heard of it and seemed stupefied when I mentioned all the references. Whether he believed it... I doubt it, but I stood by the story and left him with a big question mark in his mind.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. As much as everyone is bagging on Jennings.....
A lot of people who didn't know that there is an elephant in the room do now. I wonder if non-news junkies have had their interests peaked, but then they probably weren't watching the debate. We'll see.
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:15 AM
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54. That a BOY Mike
Lets put that deserter in shackles and have him break rocks in the hot sun for 20 years in the brig. GW patriot my farkin arse!!!!



:kick:

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:22 AM
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55. Here, got that covered in a Flash movie
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/triwimp.html

Called "Triumph of the Wimp" :)

Pass it around and send it off to ABC as well
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:07 AM
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60. Someone might like to talk to Bill Burkett, Retired TANG
Were George W. Bush's National Guard Records Scrubbed?

BUZZFLASH EXCLUSIVE: After Memorial Day, It's Time To Ask, Once Again, About Bush's National Guard Record and Why He Ran Away From Service in Vietnam -- Oh, By The Way, Guess Who is Running the Air National Guard Now?

May 28, 2002

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Pausing to Reflect After Memorial Day: Were George W. Bush's National Guard Records Scrubbed? Bill Burkett Should Know. The Nation Deserves the Truth.

(See http://199.96.2.183/contributors/2002/05/24_supreme.html to understand the context of this letter to BuzzFlash.com from Bill Burkett. It is also recommended that you read these two important postings from the Democrats.com archives: http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=171 and
http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154)

Additional BuzzFlash Note: Major General Daniel James was head of the Texas National Guard at the time of the alleged scrubbing of George W. Bush's National Guard records. He was appointed by George W. Bush to be commander of the nation's Air National Guard -- and was confirmed by the Senate last week.

A Letter to BuzzFlash.com from Bill Burkett, formerly of the Texas National Guard:

* * *

In regards to the BuzzFlash contibutor piece, "SUPREME IRONY" (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/24_Supreme.html)

This BuzzFlash reader gets it closer to right than anyone has since 1998 when I broke the Bush AWOL story as a whistleblower.

I hope that more information will be coming soon as a few journalists are now asking questions that should have been asked in 1998.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/05/28_Scrubbed.html


Also from the Veterans for Peace website:

What do you say?

By Bill Burkett
Online Journal Contributing Writer

March 19, 2003—I've sat in total grief for the past three years, watching the institutions of America being spent as if they were lottery winnings.

I don't want to say it, "But I told you so."

In January of 1998 and what seems like a full lifetime ago, I was stricken by a deadly case of meningoencephalitis. I was returning from a short duty trip to Panama as a team chief to inspect the hand over of Ft. Clayton to the Panamanians. I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records .

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:12 AM
Response to Original message
61. Does anybody get the feeling...
...that if Michael Moore shouts in public "TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FOUR", repugs will mandate that all calculators be reprogrammed?
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:15 AM
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62. Clark
Until now I've not put by bet on any of the horses, but after watching Clark take the heat and stand up for Moore last night I'm leaning is way.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:20 AM
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63. wear it on your sleeve
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:33 AM
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65. Heads up- Moore's on Democracy Now
right now.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
69. I just wrote Jennings .. We all need to .
He must apologize to every soldier who stayed at his/her post .

I'm so mad I could spit ...:mad:
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
72. Here is what I think happened
I believe that Jennings lobed that question up to Clark expecting that he would layout the entire AWOL story, but he didn't do that.

I think it was a clever way for Jennings to bring the topic up and protect himself at the same time.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:52 PM
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73. Great piece, but not LBN
sorry.
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