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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:23 AM
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Bush Falls Off Mark With Speech
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=5&u=/ap/20040121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/state_of_union_fact_check

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) declared "jobs are on the rise" — literally true, but listlessly so. His report on the death of the "death tax" was a bit premature. His account of Afghanistan (news - web sites) moving toward freedom and normalcy is challenged by some of the realities on the ground.

Bush's State of the Union speech Tuesday was notably cautious in comparison with the one last year, when he made claims about Iraq (news - web sites) that didn't stand up.

Delivering a speech that went through more than 10 drafts over more than two months, he picked his way carefully through language on weapons of mass destruction, taxes and more. "There aren't a lot of disputable claims in this speech," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

Yet complex realities were sometimes boiled down into simplified rhetoric.

Bush's boast on employment comes against a backdrop of some 2.3 million jobs lost during his presidency. The improving economy may have begun to turn that around but the climb is slow: Businesses added just 1,000 new jobs last month, and the drop in unemployment to 5.7 percent was attributed to frustrated workers — almost 310,000 — who left the labor force.

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:39 AM
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1. Glad this stinker
has landed with a thud. From what I've heard here the speech was nothing but a bunch of extreme right/fundie hot air, so glad people are not impressed by the "reverend in chief" and his BS.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:40 AM
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2. good to see a little reality news....
for a change.
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ronatchig Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:03 AM
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3. I hope the boy King
had fun defending the indefensible. I also hope the ghosts of the dead rise up to torment the turdling prince.
His efforts last night point to one thing, he is trapped by his evil like a bug on a pin. He has no choice but to defend his policies, otherwise he would have to admit to the criminality of his regime.
The jig is up and he knows it but he's holding on to hope that everyone else does not see it.
To late, turd boy you are busted.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:45 AM
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4. Good post.
:) Made me smile.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:02 AM
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6. junior is trapped and has no other choice, you're right on the mark
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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:26 AM
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10. Elequent....
Turdling Prince, laughed my a** off thanks.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:50 AM
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5. .
Yeah but too many people don't care about that.When the president says so then they believe it.That was the case with Iraq and it is the case with the economy.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:34 PM
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29. It sure didn`t work for the turdling`s father. Did it? They lied also.
About an improving economy. But it did not affect poor people like me until Clinton. How weird.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:18 AM
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7. Do *not* trust
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 09:19 AM by psychopomp
this used car salesman.

Dumbya has a lott of gall returning to the scene of the lie. This article tells it all: the gloss that his speechwriters ensured this speech was given is a thin veneer over unspoken truth.

Telling the truth does not mean saying things that are not lies.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:22 AM
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8. Watching the SOTU last night
was like watching the theatre of the absurd. The best part was watching the reactions of the hand picked soldiers that were there. I've never seen such half-hearted clapping in my life. LOL.
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:53 PM
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26. I noticed that too ...
Especially one tall black soldier - when it came time to clap he barely touched one hand with the other - a lackluster, if not diminutive way of saying screw you *.

Also, I liked the various pans of Ted Kennedy's face during the speech. He was always shaking his head back and forth as to say no, no, no, no, NO!

I didn't listen to * being he is full of *. I just watched the people in the audience.

That alone was worth more words that * could spit out in an hour.

It was the vision of sheer Nazisim IMO!

OUT THE DOOR IN '04!!!!

:dem: :kick:
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:35 PM
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34. "Especially one tall black soldier" - Oh yah, and his eye-rolls too !
.
.

I wish they had shown more pix of him

- he was definitely in the "what's all this shit?" crowd !

- seperate videos of this black guy, and Kennedy would be worth gold !!
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 AM
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36. someone just pointed this out to me ...
A friend that has been saying that * is going to get reelected no natter what just wrote me this letter:

I take it back on the people clapping for him for 2 min after he left
the podium. They used the same footage of him shaking hands when he came in! Made it look like they were doing it on the way out. Was the same film! So he didn't even get that. Well that's heartening.

So were all the call in citizens after on CSPAN. Everyone was bashing him. Except one southern mom of a military guy. She supported him all the way. They asked her what part of the speech she liked and she stuttered. " Oh well, oh, uh, because, ugh, he's for our sons and daughters overseas".

Click. Now I'm feeling some hope he may not be relected. That bit about renewing the Patriot Act was pretty predictable. Anyway, entertaining as all hell.

:dem: :kick:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:39 PM
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35. What about Rangel from Michigan sleeping?
Maybe they should do a collage of all these people in an ad.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:24 AM
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9. RATE IT!...3.88 w/ 146 votes @ 8:25 CST
with that number of votes, this will be easy to push up for a while.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:41 AM
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11. Jobs are on the rise....in China and India....this man speaks the truth.
gin
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:07 PM
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15. I Rated it , sits at 3.93 now
:hi:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:51 AM
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12. CNNI's economics team panned Bush's tax cuts and balanced budget
"Hey, Maggie, when he figures out how to cut the deficit in five years by not raising taxes and yet continuing w/high levels of spending, let me know~!"

CNNI noted that Bush's plan to make tax cuts permanent will add $3.5 trillion to the deficit over a ten year period.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:11 AM
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13. Putting frosting on a dog turd doesn't make it a wedding cake
The speech was flat, formulaic and striking only in its cautious and caustically defensive nature.

Aside from that, I had no idea that steroid-using professional athletes posed such an immiment threat to the moral fiber of the United States of America.
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alpizzy Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:58 AM
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14. steroid-using professional athletes....
maybe he was referring to arnold ;)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:59 PM
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22. tee hee
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:11 PM
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16. "Weapons programs" and "equipment" from Kay "report"
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 12:12 PM by The_Casual_Observer
Quickly dispatched that line, as if nobody would notice. Even that claim is probably a lie. Even after spending 2 months "vetting" this speech was still full of lies and deceptions!
I don't remember hearing about any programs or even actually seeing about a written report from that Kay asswipe.

I find his ugly chimp face and false slurred speech southern accent offensive and disturbing.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:25 PM
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19. "Weapons of mass destruction-related program activities"
Smoke, gun, smoke!!!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:19 PM
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17. Doomed
He is absolutely hemmed in. Once his juggernaut grinds to a halt for the last time, as it has on a number of embarrassing occasions, Bush will be roadkill, not worth stealing votes for. His speech could not be anything else because of inbred inflexibility, a sea of failures, uncooperative truth, and a Macbeth like fecklessness in pursuit of the "me".

He's a rotten speaker and a much much worse President(which title itself should be debatable). Look for TV bites with heavy extra makeup and enhancements- but not style or substance. Unless he can win by being invisible he can kiss his "mandate" goodbye.

His negatives are so rock solid that he is sitting on the edge of disaster, which will come as quite a surprise when people see behind the irrational props that alone sustain him.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:22 PM
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18. I wonder why he didn't mention 'To Mars and Beyond' ? . . .
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:46 PM
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21. Nice Photoshop ya got thar.
Y'know, now that I think about it, * is a lot like Buzz Lightyear (from the first Toy Story movie). He thinks he's a superpower on a divinely appointed mission to rid the world of evil, but in reality he's just an arrogant, cheaply made piece of plastic that struts around in a fake uniform, spouts catchphrases at the push of a button, and claims that an LED you can buy for $1 a dozen at Radio Shack is a deadly weapon.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:14 PM
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33. Thanks ;-) .....n/t
TYY :hi:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:19 PM
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23. Because no one believes him
Extolling its virtues would have raised questions about the costs and how we are going to pay for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10334-2004Jan12?language=printer

<snip>

WASHINGTON - President Bush's plan to build a space station on the moon and eventually send astronauts to Mars hasn't grabbed the public's imagination, an Associated Press poll suggests.

More than half in the poll said it would be better to spend the money on domestic programs rather than on space research.

Asked whether they favored the United States expanding the space program the way Bush proposes, people were evenly split, with 48 percent favoring the idea and the same number opposing it, according to the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

Most respondents said they generally support continuing to send humans into space.

However, given the choice of spending money on programs like education and health care or on space research, 55 percent said they wanted domestic programs. Based on previous estimates for a moon-Mars initiative, the space cost would run in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:20 PM
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28. It's Buzz Lightbeer!
To infinitude and beyond!
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:04 PM
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30. spreading fear and propaganda...
"To Infinity and beyond". I hope you all don't mind, I borrowed this and the above caption and sent it out to my email list. Thanks!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:31 PM
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20. A jobless recovery means a stock market crash
in about a year. That's what I heard from a top economist on the BBC being broadcast on NPR last night (when I was at work). :) Either the neo-cons have a plan to deal with this, or ignore it, or drop it into the laps of the Dems (if they win 2004). Just a thought.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:33 PM
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25. Yep, They Will Sabotage The Dems If AWOL Loses
they are probably planning it now especially considering the chimp's numbers are falling fast.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:32 PM
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24. kick n/t
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:59 PM
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27. any poll numbers after the SOTU?
Just curious.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:31 PM
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31. Can't find them online...
...but read a few in USA Today this morning. Typical SOTU bounce. The sheeple believe everything spoon-fed to them by this man.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 05:21 PM
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32. CBS Poll:
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