Bin Laden to release new message: monitor

[UpInArms]

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is expected to release a new message within the next two days, the U.S.-based terrorism monitoring service SITE Institute said on Wednesday.

The message is entitled, "The Response Will Be What You See, Not What You Hear," SITE said in a release.

It said an announcement of the pending message was posted on Wednesday, the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, by the administrator of the al Qaeda-affiliated Al-Ekhlaas Internet forum.

The message is likely to be posted by Thursday or Friday at the latest, SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said. He based his judgment on past practice and announcement language describing the message's posting as "urgent," "shortly" and "Allah willing."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1933570520080319

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Bin Laden Trail 'Stone Cold'

Sunday, September 10, 2006; A01


The clandestine U.S. commandos whose job is to capture or kill Osama bin Laden have not received a credible lead in more than two years. Nothing from the vast U.S. intelligence world -- no tips from informants, no snippets from electronic intercepts, no points on any satellite image -- has led them anywhere near the al-Qaeda leader, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.

"The handful of assets we have have given us nothing close to real-time intelligence" that could have led to his capture, said one counterterrorism official, who said the trail, despite the most extensive manhunt in U.S. history, has gone "stone cold."

But in the last three months, following a request from President Bush to "flood the zone," the CIA has sharply increased the number of intelligence officers and assets devoted to the pursuit of bin Laden. The intelligence officers will team with the military's secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and with more resources from the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies.

The problem, former and current counterterrorism officials say, is that no one is certain where the "zone" is.

"Here you've got a guy who's gone off the net and is hiding in some of the most formidable terrain in one of the most remote parts of the world surrounded by people he trusts implicitly," said T. McCreary, spokesman for the National Counterterrorism Center. "And he stays off the net and is probably not mobile. That's an extremely difficult problem."

Intelligence officials think that bin Laden is hiding in the northern reaches of the autonomous tribal region along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. This calculation is based largely on a lack of activity elsewhere and on other intelligence, including a videotape, obtained exclusively by the CIA and not previously reported, that shows bin Laden walking on a trail toward Pakistan at the end of the battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, when U.S. forces came close but failed to capture him.

...more...

why is it so hard to find a guy on dialysis?

[islandmkl]

1. maybe he will announce the opening of 'bin Laden's Program for Cave Living"...

for a new world economy....

seems to have mastered coping without all the conveniences of what we all, so far anyway, thought were fundamental aspects of everyday life...

[OKthatsIT]

39. 'ALL PURPOSE' Osama Bin Laden...just more cointelpro blather

"ALL PURPOSE" Osama Bin Laden...just more cointelpro blather

You can count on Skull&Bones' CIA, the Jesuits and Bin Laden to get the News out on ANY and ALL Truthseekers around the world, Muslems, Insurgents, Patriotic Americans and anyone who expresses anti-Jesuit sentiment.

The latest videotape...which the CIA SWEARS, "IT'S REALLY HIM"(Osama), is twisting the truth around and aiming it at anyone who questions the 'Powers That Be'(who is truely behind all the cointelpro media propaganda).

The Skull&Bones Cia uses privatized intelligence companies to get the story to you...There is not real CIA anymore, only the outspoken 'minds-scramblers' completely screwing with your ability to discern what is real in corporate media.

WHAT A SCAM.

=============================================================
Voice on Qaeda message is bin Laden: U.S. official

Vatican Security Worries Over Bin Laden Tape

Al-Qaeda Remains Impervious to Spies

[SpiralHawk]

2. "Commander AWOL has DECIDERED we bin Ladens should publically support Dems. Smirk" - 'bin Laden'

"Our republicon cronies insist we make a big public stink about supporting Dems to help skew the propaganda in their direction. As usual."

- bin Laden & family,
Loyal and Intimate BFEE Cronies since 1970

[UpInArms]

11. just a wee bit further down in that WP story is this bit of info

On the videotape obtained by the CIA, bin Laden is seen confidently instructing his party how to dig holes in the ground to lie in undetected at night. A bomb dropped by a U.S. aircraft can be seen exploding in the distance. "We were there last night," bin Laden says without much concern in his voice. He was in or headed toward Pakistan, counterterrorism officials think.

That was December 2001. Only two months later, Bush decided to pull out most of the special operations troops and their CIA counterparts in the paramilitary division that were leading the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for war in Iraq, said Flynt L. Leverett, then an expert on the Middle East at the National Security Council.

"I was appalled when I learned about it," said Leverett, who has become an outspoken critic of the administration's counterterrorism policy. "I don't know of anyone who thought it was a good idea. It's very likely that bin Laden would be dead or in American custody if we hadn't done that."

Several officers confirmed that the number of special operations troops was reduced in March 2002.

[Uncle Joe]

55. Kicking and recommending for this post.

Not that I didn't enjoy reading Osama Been Forgotten's Easter message in the O.P.

Thanks for the thread, UpInArms.

P.S. Oh well too late to recommend.

[PlanetBev]

3. Yep, here it comes...

Right on cue:

Bin Ladin tape
Gas prices start to drop around Summer
Orange and Yellow Homeland Security Alerts re-appear
Gas prices continue to drop, little by little
One week before election, Bin Ladin makes another tape
Panic reigns...it's a sign that the terrorists want Obama!
McCain elected
Orange and Yellow alerts stop
Gas goes up, only higher
Mission Accomplished
Game over

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. All in that order. And again in 2010/2012 and on and on and on.

[gorenobel]

4. I doubt the authenticity of this tape

The government could easily manipulate tapes with advanced technology in order to make a fake video.

I just don't buy it.

[LTR]

5. So, who will dress up as the fake bin Laden this time?

C'mon, the guy is obviously dead.

[tanyev]

29. Nope, he's alive and hiding in Pakistan.

The Duke of Westminster told his hooker all about it.

[bdamomma]

31. either dead, or there are many to take Bin Laden's place.

since * is inflaming the Islamic communities.

[bluestateguy]

6. Good

That ought to boot Pastor Wright out of the news...

[PlanetBev]

8. Good point, bluestateguy

The American people have the attention span of a gnat. Another tape, played endlessly, will keep them busy for another week, while their democracy continues disappear.

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. LOL - "The American people have the attention span of a gnat" - still laughing

.
.
.

Well said PlanetBev.

[bdamomma]

32. what will it take to change that attention span of a gnat?

[Newsjock]

7. Why do these 'alerts' always come from the non-government SITE Institute?

There's one hell of a story there, if only some of our "journalists" would report it.

What are the vested interests of the woman at SITE? Who funds it? Why does she see things that the CIA apparently cannot or will not?

[stubtoe]

21. Ding Ding Ding!!!

Now THAT is an excellent question! And one I'd just love to know the answer to.

[Eugene]

9. Reuters: Bin Laden warns EU over Prophet cartoons

Source: Reuters

Bin Laden warns EU over Prophet cartoons
19 Mar 2008 22:21:29 GMT
Source: Reuters
(Recasts with Bin Laden message, previous WASHINGTON)

By Lin Noueihed

DUBAI, March 19 (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin
Laden threatened the European Union with grave punishment
on Wednesday over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

In an audio recording posted on the Internet, Bin Laden
said the cartoons were part of a "crusade" in which he
said the Catholic Pope Benedict was involved.

The message was released on the fifth anniversary of the
U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N19338241.htm

[sofa king]

10. Come get me, George O'Sama!

I've known your damned game for a long time now.

[ohio2007]

16. the Catholic Pope Benedict is also named! Well, at least he'll apoligize

as more more members of his 'flock' meet untimely deaths.

Don't get caught dead being an athiest either

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23406485-23109,00.html

dunno how much longer #2 can pull off this stunt of pretending OBL is still alive. imo, the latest release is about the new anti muslim film being released in a few days. I'm sure they don't want to lose a few brainwashed believers by the release.Maybe they hope Europe turns into a big bon fire because of that release and this latest OBL 'audio'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ

[ohio2007]

12. I loved when he said "you have abandoned morals of fighting"..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b24_1205965362

I loved when he said "you have
abandoned morals of fighting"..

Who sent planes full of innocent people to the
towers, who train kids for suicide bombing..

Of course, there is "the truther " crowd that claim * materminded the whole thing......
yet........
how could that possibly be his genious inside job when everything else done in the past seven years prooves otherwise!!


sorry
can't have it both ways ;)

[go west young man]

18. Way to placate yourself .

You have no proof either way except the proof the government decided to give you. Personally I think an incompetent fool in the seat of the pres provides ample cover for nefarious deeds. If it hasn't happened this time it seems it would be a great strategy for leading the masses to war in the future.

[ohio2007]

23. another "flying robot" believer

A short story was written by a highschool kid and some people pick it up and take it as fact,not the fiction story he wrote on spring break .

OBL claime credit in previous "audio's" for sending a few nutjobs off to a florida flightschool but
you actualy think Carl Rove paid their tuition ?


eom

go back to the conspirecy forum

[go west young man]

34. Just a few things:

1) Your spelling is atrocious as Mary Poppins would say. It's conspiracy with an "A". It's claim.There's no E. Karl Rove's name has a K in it not a C.
2) I never claimed anything about a flight school, OBL, or Karl Rove. That is conjecture on your part.
3)Flying robots do exist.Here's a link to a CNET article for ya. http://www.news.com/2300-11394_3-6073309-1.html
4)I don't know what your talking about in regards to some high school kid. Judging from your post you may be that high school kid yourself.
5)Congratulations on making my point for me with your post. I appreciate it.

[ohio2007]

44. just a couple of comments

4)I don't know what your talking about in regards to some high school kid. Judging from your post you may be that high school kid yourself.

Ever hear of Loose Change ?
Hey school teacher, it was written by a high school kid yet the world's nutjobs beat a path to his door and called it "the truth"




OBL is dead. Whoever is trying to whip up his jihadi followers is in desperation and feeling pressure to find somebody to do something and take credit for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA


judging from your post style, I suspect you are still in schoolwest young man ;)
Yes,thats right,
those who can't teach but I don't think you graduated with your teaching degree yet.


well, I'll give you some credit, some people will reply with foul language as theirleading first supporting debate comment

I guess I better hit the spell check as often as u do eh ?

[go west young man]

49. You can hit my profile and see who I am.

I am not in school. I'm an ex marine who has traveled to over 40 countries and I don't know jack about Loose Change. As far as our government having something to do with 9/11 I do feel it's a strong possibility. As Conan Doyle would say "one has to look at who has benefited the most from the crime."

[happyslug]

24. bin Laden has hit mainly military targets.

People forget that most military bases in the US have no military value except as training sites. More often than not such bases were large areas of low valued land (some rejected by the Indians as unfit). On the other hand most urban areas have high value military targets, highways, bridges, gasoline stations, depots, refineries, railheads and airports.

Bin Laden has always gone after high value military targets. Ships (Remember the USS Cole in Yemen?), embassies (Where US intelligence services operate from, thu the embassy bombings of the 1990s). Even most of the bombings in Iraq tend to military targets, which include Check points, Police Stations, and anywhere US troops are (Through some of the recent bombings of areas of consumer trade in Iraq do NOT fit this pattern, but no one has shown if these to be Al Queda, might be, might be part of the Shitte-Sunni fight over who controls Baghdad).

The world's Trade Center was such a military site, domination of world trade is why the building existed. Finance is a important part of ANY military system and the World Trade Center was part of the US Finance System. There were few children in the building. Women did work in the building but NOT as mothers, but as employees. You did have support staff, cooks, waitress, waiters, cleaning people, newspaper vendors etc. You have the same type of employees in almost any building including the Pentagon. The issue NOT that such civilians work in a building, but what is the main purpose of the building? In the case of the World Trade Center it was International Trade and Finance. Given that bin Laden is fighting against the domination of the Mid-East by such Finance the World Trade Center was a valid Military Target (In least in the eyes of bin Laden).

As to the phase "You have abandoned morals of fighting" bin Laden is talking about the western stated Doctrine to avoid killing Civilians if possible. This includes avoiding the deliberate bombing of village where enemies MAY be in, if it would cost to many civilians lives. In Afghanistan the largest groups of people in such Villages are children and their mothers (Thus the phase "Women and Children"). Unlike the Pentagon and the World Trade Center these villages have no military value in themselves, even when you look at the finance to fund the Guerrillas except as a place to get food and shelter. To minimize risk to such villages, bin Laden, even in the time of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, kept his troops elsewhere (More to secure the Troops then to protect Civilians but he did and does keep most troops out of most villages). Bin Laden's and the Taliban's troops just go to the Villages to get food and other provisions (Ammo, recruits etc). Wounded would be left in such villages. As such Bin Laden says such Villages should NOT be targets of Air Attacks but under both the old Soviet Union and now the US, when either believed the Guerrillas were in a Village, both send out bombers to level such villages hoping to kill as many guerrillas as possible, even if that mean Killing all the Women and Children in the Villages at the same time. This is what bin Laden and seen and is objecting to.

Now many people will NOT see difference for its appears to be quite small given that the World Trade Center had almost NO military personnel in it and had no direct Military/Intelligence/Finance mission as far as sending troops to fight bin Laden and Al Queda is concerned, but a difference exists. When given a opportunity do we avoid killing unarmed Civilians if the price is that some Guerrillas get away? From bin Laden's view we do NOT and he believes that violate out statements that we avoid efforts to avoid civilians Deaths. Bin Laden prefers military/Intelligence/finance targets, thus bin Laden objection relates to attacks on people who are NOT part of the military/Governmental/Intelligence/Finance system of the other side. People in the World Trade Center were part of the Financial System of the US and as such a valid Military target in the eyes of bin Laden, the Women in Children in local Villages in Afghanistan are NOT (again in the eyes of bin Laden).

Thus the point bin Laden is making with his statement is that while we say we are doing all we can to avoid Civilian Deaths our actions show otherwise when we think nothing of bombing villages on the hope bin Laden may be in that Village. People may disagree with that position but it is a valid defendable position given the overall horror that is war and the extensive use of Air Power to destroy bin Laden and the Taliban.

[ohio2007]

47. You also said "bin Laden hit non military targets as well".

The world trade center was a military target? Embassies in Africa were military targets ? The boogy mans group has been at it since 1988.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Militant_operations_pre-dating_the_September_11.2C_2001_attacks

Even though his group states "all targets are military",I'd say a majority of the attacks resulted in non military deaths.


btw,
Why didn't you just post the link instead of the copy and paste job?

[happyslug]

53. Because I didn't know about that site, I just study Military History.

People in the United States do NOT have an understanding what is a Military target. What is a military target is determined what is the Political Objective of the Military action. Thus killing every citizen of the Former Soviet Union was a Military Target of the US during the Cold War for the US did NOT want to take over Russia, the US just wanted the Former Soviet Union gone. That was the US military objective, if that included killing every man, woman and Child that was the price of "Military Victory".

What is the US objective in Afghanistan? Officially it is to stop the Taliban and Al Queda. You do NOT do that by bombing villages made of Women and Children, especially if the Taliban and Al Queda are elsewhere.

AS to Al Queda, bin Laden wants the US out of the Middle East. The US is in the Middle East for its oil, but part of the US intervention is finance, and the World Trade Center was part of that Financial system. Since the World Trade Center was part of the US finance system, it was a Military Target of Al Queda. As I Mentioned above, Military target often contain Civilians. Having Women and Children in the military target does NOT make it not a military target.

Now I review my neighborhood for "Military Targets" and here is the short list. You will notice the National Guard Armory in my Neighborhood is NOT on the list. Why? For it has little or no military significance except for the Trucks and Weapons in the Armory, but as a military planner I will have to presume those are gone, and once gone it is useless from a military propose.

The military targets:

1, Bridges, no bridge, no trucks or any other way to move people or equipment around. Thus bridges are top of the list

2. Highways and Railroads, again no Highways or Railroads not way to get troops, supplies or equipment to or from the area. In the days of the old Cold war, Highways and Railways were #1 on the list of Soviet targets against the US.

3. Ports, (same as above). In the days of the Cold War, these were #2 on the list of Soviet Targets.

4. Gasoline Stations, no fuel, increase costs to get fuel to the vehicles you need.

5. Airports, No place for planes to land, one less way to get people, supplies and equipment into and out of an area.

6. Electric Generation Plant. No access to electricity, then you have to transport the equipment to produce the electricity most people need (In the days of the Cold War, Electic plants were #3 on the list of Soviet Targets).

7. Sewerage and Water systems. These are still high on US target list, both were hit extensively during both wars against Saddam. Try living without water or a way to remove waste and that the country attacked has to spend resources on solving these problems.

8. Oil and Gasoline Supplies (Other than your local gasoline station mentioned above). Makes it harder to

9. Food Distraction points, if people are to busy looking for food they do NOT have time to organize any defense against anything else you want to do.

10. Politician leadership, if no one is in charge, harder to form up a defense including solving the problems caused by destroying the above.

Notice these ten military targets do NOT include any military bases, military ships etc. That is what we do when we bomb countries and I can NOT object to bin Laden when he does the same.

[CJCRANE]

45. Um...

yes - you can have it both ways. I call it the "joint venture".

Bin Laden may be a genuine fundamentalist (although that's arguable) but the financiers for 9/11 were known Bush administration associates.

It's clearly possible for terrorist operatives to be handled and financed by double-agents who are working for the other side (i.e. the neocons and their associates).

[ohio2007]

48. linky ?

the financiers for 9/11 were known Bush administration associates

That sounds like a quote you should be willing to supply a link for. I can't see how Bush would be willing to finance AQ in the 1990's when he was a drug addict out of rehab not very long before those early '90's years.

jmo

[CJCRANE]

51. I'm not talking about the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

(I know it's alleged that they were partially funded by the CIA, mainly in the Reagan-Bush era).

I'm talking about the actual 9/11 money trail which allegedly leads back to Bush family/political associates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmad

[onehandle]

13. Either he's DEAD or Bush is a Fucking FAILURE for FAILING to Catch Him! Vote here --->

It's one or the other.

Which is it?

Vote here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3034779

[stubtoe]

22. Dead and the Bush Administration is lying about it.

nt

[marshall]

14. There goes that "religion of peace" shtick they've been pimping

I know Christianity has its problems, but at least we don't get our panties in a twist and declare holy war on the world after a bunch of half baked cartoons are printed in a postage stamp sized country.

[Hannah Bell]

37. We do set up little spectacles to piss the commoners off, though.

[magellan]

38. Excellent post

It illustrates quite clearly how BushCo are still able to manufacture support for the invasion, occupation and wholesale destruction of a country that did nothing to us, through the use of hyperbole, false outrage and fear-mongering.

Oh wait...Were you serious?

[marshall]

41. I don't equate Bush with Christianity

Some do, not me.

[magellan]

43. And there are a lot of muslims who don't equate Islamic fundamentalists with Islam

So I think the point is made again.

[marshall]

57. The difference is political vs. religious

Even our most misguided war-backers are not trying to make it a Christian holy war. It's all about politics, and that has always been bloody for our country (give me liberty or give me death).
But then I've never heard anybody call Christianity the religion of peace either.

[magellan]

58. Not so

There are many examples of how BushCo has made this about Christianity vs. Islam. The indoctrination of USAF cadets in religious right rhetoric, the politicization of Christianity, the desecration of detainees' holy books...And most important, their complete unwillingness from day one to correct the leadership in the GOP and Repub supporters who talk in stark black & white terms about the threat of Islam and the need to wipe muslims out.

[marshall]

59. Perhaps it's just a matter of degree

I can't agree that flushing a holy book down a toilet is equivalent to sawing off somebody's head with a dull knife or sending mentally retarded women strapped with bombs into crowded eateries.
It's a question of degree. I don't think we can reach a reasonable solution if we equate two such diverse infractions.
But I do think in the long run our own actions are all was can control, or at least we have the best chance of controlling them. But I don't think we have to say they rise to the level of holy war to recognize that as a society we can still make steps forward.

[magellan]

60. Equivalence

No, flushing a Koran is not the same as hacking someone's head off. But beating a detainee to death is. Detaining and torturing a Canadian Muslim for years simply because he and his family were returning from a visit with his family in the middle east is. Raping a 15-year-old Iraqi girl after shooting her parents and little sister, then burning her body, is. There are many more examples of extreme behavior on our side that BushCo is responsible for, at the very least by whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment and setting Americans loose to act on it.

[santamargarita]

15. This asshole has been dead for years - Bush Scare Tactics!

K&R

[Bonobo]

17. I'll bet it says he's working with Barack Hussein Obama!

And it'll be a grainy video.

[OKthatsIT]

40. LOL...it could be the next video tape....the October Surprise

[Swagman]

19. you think the billionaire's gone digital yet ?-or still using video tape ?

[Pastiche423]

20. ...

[fascisthunter]

25. Bush's Buddy, Bin Laden

[bdamomma]

33. of course, oil buddies through and through.

[truthisfreedom]

27. CIA ghost

Doesn't exist

[panzerfaust]

28. Here it is: About Cartoons

New Bin Laden attack on EU over cartoons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/20/muhammadcartoons.osamabinladen

Internet msg: audio with overlying pix of OBL with AK-47

The whole thing is a cartoon.

I wonder exactly how long he has been dead.

[bdamomma]

30. either the guy is dead, or he is being protected by Bush Co.

he is never mentioned by bushie huh??? These thugs have been in cahoots for years.

[newspeak]

35. after watching a portion of the film on TV yesterday

my first thought was that OBL sure looks healthy and has picked up a few pounds. Remember the first video of OBL where he looks gaunt with his dark circles under his eyes showing more prominently. Now, he looks fat, sassy and downright healthy. I want to know if he's been vacationing at ClubMed or did he get a kidney transplant? Life must be good!!!! Of course, here's another video--always perfect timing-if it's before an election or if someone is attempting to push an agenda. I tell ya, it's very synchronic--the universe must be working for this administration and OBL.

[CJCRANE]

46. It's a perfect symbiosis.

Bush & Bin Laden are playing a game where they both need each other and they both benefit by appealing to their base.

Bush has no talking points without Bin Laden, and vice versa.

On edit: the arrangement is even better for the war profiteers who finance both Bin Laden AND Bush.

[Winterblues]

36. Why do they bother with these, Bush* has stated Bin Laden is not relevent

Bush* said he did not care about Osama Bin Laden because he was no longer relevent in any manner. He is not overly concerned about his capture so what difference does it make what he has to say? Am I missing something?

[ohio2007]

50. Before Bhutto died, she said OBL was whacked by one of his own

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aef_1198861063


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01VgDPjAlE
she said what the 40 second mark ?


and it wasn't even a pic with a voice over

[OKthatsIT]

52. Which would make sense if you knew too much about CIA-ISI-Dubai Banks

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

54. Golly. I do believe I'll sit here holding my breath

and quaking in my boots- that is, until it's been confirmed that it's yet another attempt by our Glorious Leadership to terrorize its own populace with yet more bogus bullshit.

Is it getting old yet?



Yow!!

[donkeyotay]

56. Elections are getting to be like Ground Hog Day all over again. nt