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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:21 PM
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Beijing says snow storms destroy one tenth of China's forests
Source: AFP

BEIJING (AFP) — China has lost about one tenth of its forest resources to recent snow storms regarded as the most severe in half a century, state media reported Sunday.

A total of 17.3 million hectares (43 million acres) of forest have been damaged across China as the result of three weeks of savage winter weather, the China Daily website said, citing the State Forestry Administration.

More than half the country's provinces have been affected, and in the worst-hit regions, nearly 90 percent of forests have been destroyed, according to the paper.

As of the end of last month, disastrous winter weather had levied a toll of 16.2 billion yuan (2.2 billion dollars) on China's forestry sector, the report said, citing the most recent data available.

More misery could be in store, as the State Forest Administration has warned trees killed by winter frost could boost the amount of inflammable materials, raising the risk of forest fires.






Read more: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVWUVKqqO5_nUBI1XifdhtC5Uv9Q
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:23 PM
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1. Snow storm or ice storm?
Never heard of a snow storm ruining forest.
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:42 PM
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12. The evergreens could be seriously damaged,the deciduous okay in snow.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:41 PM
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14. But It Could Cause A Need for Firewood
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 07:41 PM by Crisco
Is what I'm thinking.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:31 PM
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2. It sounds like trees were killed by the cold. In some of the areas
now under snow, people have no winter clothes and no means of heating their houses because it's never been needed. Think of what a snow storm would do to Hawaii!
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:50 PM
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3. Holy Cow!
Another major catastrophe for our planet.


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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:13 PM
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5. If it happened 50 years ago and the forest recovered, it is hardly a catastrophe.
Trees grow, forests regenerate, if left alone.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:20 PM
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6. But for the people, it's a catastrophe.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:35 PM
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7. With 1.2 billion people packing into a country smaller than the US
I don't think a lot of those trees will be allowed to regenerate, but rather chopped up and the land converted into farmland.

Or, the Chinese government will "reforest" vast areas of land with 1-2 species of fast-growing trees for future lumber and pulpwood production. It will look like a corn field on steroids: green but devoid of most life.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:21 PM
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17. I think all arable land in China is already farmland
China does not have a lot of farmland (comparatively). I think. AA is no Chinese ecology expert.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:37 PM
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13. the forest will not regenerate, for it will not be left alone
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 07:39 PM by pitohui
a glance at the population of china is all you need to understand that forest is no longer a renewable resource, any more than the forest will ever return to haiti

many people in the united states think there is a forest in mississippi, but if they actually got out of their car, they would quickly discover that virtually all of it is pine tree desert -- poor grade habitat that doesn't support wildlife or a full ecology, indeed, just another kind of cornfield
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:05 PM
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4. Okay friends - Now is the time to change EVERYTHING...
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:05 PM by IndyOp
Mother Jones on deforestation in China...

no sector better illustrates the vast reach and explosive impacts of China's manufacturing dominance than logging. At one end are the consumers in the United States, Europe, Japan, and China itself, who are mostly oblivious to the social and environmental destruction left by the Chinese-made furniture, plywood, moldings, and flooring they buy.


<snip>

Until 1998, China fed its wood mills trees from its own forests. That year, the middle reaches of the Yangtze River swelled with the region's biggest flood in more than 50 years, killing 3,000 people, destroying 5 million homes, and engulfing 52 million acres of land. As winter approached months later, 14 million were still homeless. The land, it turned out, had no defense against erosion left. Lakes and wetlands that once would have absorbed some of the rain had been drained to create farmland, and the forests that once held topsoil in place had been harvested. Torrential rainwater carried the topsoil to the river and then down it, until its bed swelled with new sediment and the floodwater rose above its banks. As a result, China declared a logging ban on what little remained of its old-growth forests. Most environmentalists applauded the ban until they grasped its corollary: Chinese companies began harvesting other countries' trees on an even grander scale.
<snip>

In Indonesia, the rate of illegal logging has sometimes reached as high as 80 percent. From there, logging syndicates plied what the eia calls "perhaps the largest and most destructive single trade route of stolen timber in the world," from the forests of Indonesia's Papua Province (which comprises most of the eastern half of New Guinea), often through Malaysia, where export documents are forged, to wood factories on China's southern and central coast. It's indicative of the injustice perpetrated by illegal logging that when prized tropical hardwood trees called merbau were cut down in Papua in 2004, locals were paid $11 per cubic meter; when the logs reached China, their value increased to $240 per cubic meter; by the time they arrived in the United States or Europe as flooring, they brought $2,288 per cubic meter. Most of the profit falls to high-living timber barons running smuggling syndicates out of Jakarta, Singapore, and Hong Kong. They receive support from Indonesian military and police officials who often invest in smuggling operations themselves or, if not, are bribed to facilitate them.

In addition to its many other devastating effects—species extinction, the spread of disease and poverty—deforestation dramatically speeds up climate change. Not only do cut trees no longer absorb carbon, but they release (either slowly, or, in the case of Siberian fires, rapidly) the carbon they'd sequestered. Thus, deforestation accounts for 18 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions—a rate higher than the global transportation sector's, pegged at 14 percent. The staggering rate of deforestation in poor, nonindustrial Indonesia places the country third among the world's emitters, after the United States and China.

<snip>

An end to American and European purchases of products made from illegally cut wood—still retailed by such companies as Ikea, Home Depot, and Armstrong (see "Timber Line")—would certainly reduce the destruction of tropical forests, as half the tropical wood that enters China is reexported as finished products. Even so, about 90 percent of all Chinese-manufactured wood products are consumed within China. This is alarming, for per-capita consumption of wood products is still far below that in developed countries, and is likely to grow as the middle class expands. China's per-capita consumption of paper, for example, is now only an eighth of the United States'; if it reaches the American rate, pulp suppliers will have to double the world's current annual timber harvest. As Greenpeace argues in a 2006 report titled "Sharing the Blame," "The world's forests cannot support either the level of consumption of developed countries, or the aspiration of developing countries to attain a similar level."

Edited to add link: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/01/the-last-empire.html">The Last Empire: China's Pollution Problem Goes Global
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:11 PM
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10. That's a post that deserves it's own thread
for all of those who keep saying "population and consumption isn't a problem; distribution of resources is". It's an old GOP line that is an outright lie, as is proven by your article and thousands of others.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:44 PM
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15. The blessings of unfettered, unregulated capitalism.
Isn't it wonderful how it has reached out and reformed the land of Mao?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:22 PM
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8. well what do you expect- those trees were made in china...
no wonder their quality is so poor.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:19 PM
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9. Clever excuse for the chopping that will soon occur..
We had a severe frost here that "killed" my big hibiscus bushes.. and for over a year they were just dry sticks..and all of a sudden, leaves appeared.. They are smaller now (we cut them back..but were too lazy to dig them up..lucky them,), but beautiful and full of hibiscus..

If people leave the forest alone, it will recover...but if they go in and "harvest" the "dead trees", they will be gone forever.
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:18 PM
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11. My one word reply:
Bullshit!!!

The chicom gov't is a very corrupt and evil force when it comes to dealing with environmental issues...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:12 PM
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16. chicom? Yikes, I haven't heard that word in 40 years.
:eyes:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:36 PM
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18. I always liked COMINTERN
Ah, the good old days of the Cold War....
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