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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:46 PM
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Study: Military Not Ready For Major Attack On U.S.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:48 PM by maddezmom
Source: AP

WASHINGTON - The U.S. military isn't ready for a catastrophic attack on the country, and National Guard forces don't have the equipment or training they need for the job, according to a report.

Even fewer Army National Guard units are combat-ready today than were nearly a year ago when the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves determined that 88 percent of the units were not prepared for the fight, the panel says in a new report released Thursday.

The independent commission is charged by Congress to recommend changes in law and policy concerning the Guard and Reserves.

The commission's 400-page report concludes that the nation "does not have sufficient trained, ready forces available" to respond to a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons incident, "an appalling gap that places the nation and its citizens at greater risk."



Read more: http://wcbstv.com/national/us.military.readiness.2.642351.html
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:48 PM
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1. Hell, we'll just call Blackwater and they'll take care of it . . . .
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:51 PM
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3. You took the words right from my keyboard.. I was thinking that exact same thing...
You can bet that the Bush Cabal is probably thinking the same thing as well.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:05 PM
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8. Maybe he already has
I recall reading a thread here at DU that the White House was meeting with representatives of Blackwater, DynCorp, and several other private security firms that have contracts in Iraq. The story was that the meeting was called to let those companies know what level of control the government was going to have over their operations over seas.

What if something a little more sinister was taking place? I know it's a tin-foil hat moment, but with the way that this administration has operated in the past can we really afford to think that this meeting was on the up and up?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:09 PM
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9. Yep. If they want to attack Iran, the False Flag would have to be in Spring or early Summer.
Who knows? But you bring up a very good point. And if that was the case, who would stop them? Who would stand against them?

(cue crickets chirping)
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:32 PM
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12. And this is "keeping us safe"?
Bush is full of shit.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:49 PM
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2. Another great accomplishment of George.... he broke the military.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:52 PM
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4. B-But I thought NATIONAL SECURITY was the MOST SOLEMN AND SACRED RESPONSIBILITY?
Didn't fuckhead say that about a million times?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:55 PM
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5. Yes he did and so have people like John McCain.... and all Republicans for that mater. n/t
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:55 PM
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6. That's something the enemy needs to know. It's hard to to protect
us here when our military is everywhere else. Another brilliant bush plan.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:57 PM
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7. Of course not: everything is in Iraq and Afghanistan
I mean, if we hit them there, they would never be able to hit us here. Right?

:sarcasm:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:19 PM
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10. What nation could make a Major Attack On U.S.? Not Russia, China, Germany, Japan, France, UK, Italy!
Why would China attack its biggest market and borrower?

It must be aliens from outer space but if they have the technology to travel to earth, why would they want to conquer earth? I know, to ravish our women. :shrug:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:53 PM
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16. Russia and China could, especially if they teamed up.
Historically not likely, but it's possible. Wars have been made for dumber reasons.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:10 PM
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19. I seriously doubt that Russia and China could together launch a major attack against the U.S.
Certainly not by invading U.S. soil because neither country has the sea power to conduct that type invasion.

Air assault is also out of the question because neither country could support that type operation on U.S. soil.

True either China or Russia could launch a nuclear attack against the U.S. but their countries would quickly be devastated by U.S. nuclear counter attack.

It's highly unlikely that any nation would launch a major attack against the U.S.

It's probable a rogue U.S. president might launch an unjustified, preemptive nuclear attack against a another country.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:12 PM
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21. From what I'm reading, most Russians don't think the Cold War ended.
Especially Putin. As the weapons age, he might take a chance that ours won't work.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:48 PM
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22. "take a chance that ours [nukes] won't work"? Not a chance, it would be mutual destruction, n/t
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:15 AM
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34. Unfortunately there are people that think a nuclear war
could be won.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:09 AM
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36. Not necessarily. If we couldn't tell where the missile came from . . .
Or if several countries band together and all attack several targets at the same time, we would be hard-pressed to figure out where all the missles came from and which countries to attack.

Plus, as the weapons age, they lose their viability. We could send over our missles only to find out that they're really more dirty bombs anymore.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:44 PM
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39. Our tracking systems can tell precisely from where a ballistic missile was fired. n/t
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:35 PM
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42. Obviously not as perfectly as they'd like us to think.
None of the missle shield tests have worked, and those are highly dependent on missle tracking.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:00 PM
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43. The failure of our missile shield test is in no way related to our ability to identify the precise
location from which a ballistic missile was fired.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:26 AM
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37. Invading the entire country isn't needed
All they would need is a foothold, a start, sort of like the Normandy invasion. Realistically they could take Alaska, and be able to support it from across the Bering Sea, as long as they stopped before crossing into Canadian territory.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:47 PM
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40. What a fantastical idea, why don't you protect that for a movie, Attack Across the Bering Straits. n
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:32 PM
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44. The US could lose Alaska and not even feel it, i.e. take it back when we can
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 02:32 PM by happyslug
If you want to attack the US, you have to be willing to take control of the Great lakes and/or the Mississippi river system. Thus the two most important cities in North American for Military purpose are New Orleans and Quebec. You control both cities you control America, you control neither, you have nothing (The Columbia/Snake River system is a third leg to this basically two leg system, a possible way to attack the other two legs, and a route from the other two legs to the Pacific, thus it is either a route to take on the other two legs, or something to be taken AFTER you took the other two legs).

When France first secured New Orleans in the early 1700s (Quebec had been founded in 1608, a year after Jamestown), it was on a collision course with the then British Colonies. The British Colonies had access to better goods and were more willing to move to North American (Less English migration then Scottish, Irish and German migration, with the Dutch staying in New York after the English took it from the Dutch). Some of the lack of immigration can be blamed on the French policy of NOT seeding anyone but a Good Catholic (No French Huguenot need applied, they migrated to the English Colonies instead) but the big problem was the basic corruption of the French Government and its colonial office. French Colonist from Acadia (Now Nova Scotia) were removed from Nova Scotia when it became English in about 1715. They at around for over ten years in France till enough bribes had been paid for them to migrant to Louisiana. Incompetence and Greed, and you wonder why France had a revolution in 1789.

Anyway, if the French had played they cards rights, they still would hold North America, but they did not and in 1759 the English corrected the Mistake of Giving back Quebec in the early 1700s by retaking it (Montreal fell the next year). The British never had New Orleans (The the French stayed in de factor control of the Ohio and Mississippi River system even as New Orleans was Spanish Ruled). The British, liked their French predecessors, like the profits from the fur trade more then getting immigrants, and fell into the same trap the French had been in. Thus during the war of independence the British were never able to use their control of the Great Lakes against the US Revolutionary Army and with the subsequent moved westward the US took Control of the Ohio and then the Mississippi River Valleys. After the Revolution, the British, do to the simple fact it was to involved in the Wars of the French Revolution, let the US take over not only De Jure up to the Great lakes but also in realty. In fact the US was able to divert most of the Great lakes trade to New York City with the Competition of the Erie Canal through the Mohawk Valley of Upper New York State.

With the advent of the US Civil War and the appearance of the two largest army in the World fighting in Virginia, the British realized they could NOT hold Canada without United States approval, thus left Canada become de facto part of the United States (well de jure still part of the UniteD Kingdom) in 1867. Economically both Countries had been one since at least the 1820s (and maybe the 1790s when many of the small farmers of New England moved to Ontario for the free land, the leadership of Ontario and Canada mostly came from the Upper Classes of the Middle and Southern Colonies who had backed the Crown in 1776, but the actual farmers ancestors had fought at Bunker Hill, and NOT with the British).

Anyway, if you want to attack the US, you attack Quebec of New Orleans first (Or Storm up the Columbia and then fight DOWN to New Orleans if you want to do it the hard way). No one right now had the capability to take either city and hold it even if BOTH the US and Canada would abolish they militarize today (The people themselves can stop any small effort, thus the effort must be large enough to take AND hold either city, which require significant number of troops, supplies and ships. Once landed it must hold what it takes and march on the other city AND Chicago (You can ignore New York City and the whole East Coast till the Great Lakes and Mississippi River system is taken). Such a Movement takes time, men and supplies and different type of Ships then to get the same items to North America. The US and Canada could mobilize themselves by that time and defeat the Invaders. Thus why waste time to defeat an army that will never come, for it is looking at long term defeat?

As to a Chemical, biological or Atomic attack, those require much less effort them trying to take over North America, but the prevailing wind blows West to East so any attack on any East Coast City will float into the Atlantic and any attack on a West Coast City will flow into the sparsely settled Western States. Thus most of the Country will NOT be directly Affected by such an attack, and NOT being affected is available for people to move to out of the area attacked AND to supply men, material and other aid to the affected area. It may take time but it will come for we think of ourselves as one country. Even the most Anti-liberal, new York City hating Redneck will do what he can to help New York City if it is attacked, for it is an attack on HIS country. Al Queda is the most organized group that could do such an attack and the most it could do is one attack per year (and probably only one attack per decade). If that is the case it is a waste of Taxpayers money to prepare for an attack that will NEVER come or if it does WILL NOT BE THE TYPE WE ARE PREPARED FOR. What is needed is a General plan, a plan for a likely problem and modify it if something else happens. Lets look at the three most lily problems:

1. An terrorist attack on New York City, probably non-nuclear given the size of most nuclear weapons (And as to small suit-case size weapons, the blast, while larger than most conventional explosion, is within the blast of a large collection of bombs).

2. Hurricane on New Orleans.

3. A San Francisco Earthquake type but in Southern California.

These were considered the three most likely "disasters" probable under the Clinton Administration. All should have been planed for but were NOT. The Business community of New York did NOT want to appear that it was at risk, when it was. The cost to prepare for such an attack was high, Strengthening the Subway, providing Independent power to the Subway from at least two sources INDEPENDENT of the rest of the City and moving the Headquarters for any such disasters OUT of New York City with dedicated buried duplicated lines between the Fire stations, the Police Stations, the Central office in New York City and a disaster command center outside the City (Albany be a good location, but you have to have that duplicate secured and buried lines to make it work). Plans to move people out of New York City (Which should include connecting the Subway system to the regional Rail system to permit the Subway to move people OUT and for Amtrak trains to move in to move people out)

The problems with New Orleans were known while before the Hurricane. The Plan should have included HOW to evacuate ALL AND ANY areas that sits below Sea level. Plans to grab those School Buses and to put people on them BEFORE THE STORM EVEN HIT. Improved Amtrak Service that could be transferred to New Orleans in an emergency to gt people out. Plans to where the people should go etc.

Southern California is more open than New Orleans or New York City. While Amtrak trains should be part of the plan, given the possibility of track disruption should be secondary to such trains in New Orleans and New York City. The tracks should be made as Earthquake proof as possible so they can be used, but given the freeway system moving buses into the area to move people out may be the better solution.

Remember we need to do two things, both at the same time. First is move people out of the Area who are NOT needed (i.e. they place of work no longer exists and have no place to live) AND then bring in men, material and supplies to help the area recover. To a degree the trains in and the trains out can do both duties (i.e. passenger trains bring in troops and workers from the rest of the Country, and refugees out, fright trains can bring in supplies, and move people with cars out, people may even be willing to go in Fright Cars for a day to two just to get out of the damaged area.

Please note if you take people out you have to have a plan where to take them. Those plans should be known NOT only to the city named above, but also the Cities where you plan to move people. You will need to plan HOW to get Men, material and Supplies to the area affected. Once these plans are drawn up, they can be modified as needed, for example, Houston get hit by a Hurricane instead of Ne Orleans, less movement of people OUT, but the plan can be the basis for the problem.

This administration has just refused to do any of the above, they are so into "Individualism" they want everyone to take care of themselves in such disasters. Furthermore this plan to improve the National Guard also does NOT address this problem, the problem in New Orleans was HOW TO GET PEOPLE OUT NOT how to get the National Guard and other troops in.

Aside: People from New Orleans are going to hate me for saying this, but part of the planning is to accept that the above will take place and design the city to minimize the loss cause by the "attack". In the case of New Orleans, it may be better to abandon the city (Except for the French Quarter which is above sea level) than to try ot save the city after each Hurricane. Making New Orleans a small town on the lower Mississippi and moving most of its population to Baton Rouge makes sense in that you eliminate a potential set of problems i.e. what happens of the levies fail? Remove the Levies they can no longer fail. That means a much smaller New Orleans, but that may be the cost of planning for Hurricanes.
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:45 PM
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31. why would japan
Attack the US military @ pearl harbor. At the time we were its biggest trading partner. Unfortunately, it had bigger ambitions, and the US would not permit it. We froze assets, and embargoed oil, so to make Japan rethink its colonial strategy.

So we embargo Chinese goods (poisonous), and so as to not oppose their attack of Taiwan, (repatriating it, as it were) they disable us.

That's why.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:48 PM
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41. Do you thing Japan could launch a major attack on the U.S. as posed in the OP? n/t
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:25 PM
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11. But they are ready for major attacks on Iraqi and Afghan citizens
As we could see every day on the news, i.e. if we had real TV stations and real newspapers.
Not a day goes by without warplanes dropping bombs on children, mothers and families.
Maybe the military should stop slaughtering civilians in other countries, so that they would
be prepared for what they are really meant to be: DEFENSE!

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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:45 PM
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13. "Major Attack"??!!?? They can't even deal with a few guys with box cutters.
Or figure out how to repel giant, slow moving, passenger liners.

They have burdened and clogged America's defenses far more since then in the process of setting up the mechanisms of totalitarianism.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:50 PM
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14. If the war had been legit, there would have been lines up the street to join up.
bushco is running the country EXACTLY like bush ran arbusto. INTO THE GROUND.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:51 PM
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15. not ready for duty, sir...
wasn't that the way lil' boots' described it in 2000?

defending our borders SHOULD be the PRIMARY task of our military, but i can see how they could get a little lax- considering that a military assault on our country would be VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE- i don't car how many times you've seen "red dawn"- it AIN'T gonna happen. at least not in ANY forseeable future.

to save THIS country, we need to close MOST if not ALL of our HUGH overseas military bases/installations and bring ALL of our troops home- with the exception of those protecting embassies and staff, of course.

SLASH the defense budget, and put A LOT of the money into social spending, including MASSIVE R&D on non-petroleum energy.

but it won't happen, and global climate change warming is going to be what does our civilization in.

so get a comfy chair, a big tv- and prepare to be enthralled by the downfall of society- it should be quite entertaining.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:55 PM
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17. Maybe not an invasion, though possible, but missles.
Don't forget some countries have those.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:12 PM
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20. and we have LOTS more than any of them.
to retaliate in a HUGH way against any country that would send any our way.

so they won't. again- at least not in any foreseeable future.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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18. BUT...the Department of Homeland (IN)security and the Pentagon BOTH have plans to prevent blogging
activity in the event that one of these 'incidents' were to occur...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:11 PM
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23. It's a good thing we're a beloved nation of peacemakers with no enemies then, huh?
Oh, wait...we're a warmongering nation led by neocons that spends right at half a trillion dollars a year on 'defense'.

Well, I guess we'll need to cut the budget someplace else so we can shore up our sagging defenses then. Social welfare is a perfect place to begin. After all welfare is to blame for the rampart government spending in the US.

:sarcasm:
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:31 PM
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24. quick, better increase the deficit by enlarging the pentagon's budget!
biggest military the planet has ever seen, or payed for, & we're scared of our own shadows.

where's all this cannon fodder going to come from?
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:46 PM
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25. When did the Armed forces of the United States ever
Have the capability to respond to a massive chemical, biological attack on the United States. A nuclear incident is not necessarily a intentional nuclear detonation. Only very few guard or reserve units received extensive training in bio and Chem warfare because that is their military specialty. The U.S. Army of the last two decades has been developed as a highly mobile, heavily armed offensive force. Really designed in concept to operate against the Warsaw Pact. Even at the beginning of the Gulf II war, there was great concern about the possibility the Iraqis using Chemical and biological munitions against our troops. While I don't disagree with the proposition that great harm has been done to the Army and Marine corp during the Iraqi and Afghan operations, I don't see where we were ever able to deal with a massive Chem or bio attack on the Continental United States. The only option for nuclear is retaliation. Just My opinion
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:18 PM
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26. Well that's a relief. With Dubya as a lame-duck commander in chief, the U.S. military is ...
all too likely to attack us. At least they can't carry out a major attack.

;-)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:20 PM
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27. And plenty of DUers would be glad to leave us with our pants down
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:37 PM
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28. Red Dawn was on early this morning. I think these nuts have been salivating....
over this movie again.

Wolverines!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:24 PM
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30. Battle Beneath the Earth has a totally different invasion scenario involving the chinese army...
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 08:24 PM by QuestionAll
tunneling under major u.s. cities via tunnels that start in china and go under the pacific ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Beneath_the_Earth_(1967)

it's hard to say which movie invasion is more ludicrous, plausibility-wise.

seems like a toss-up.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:48 PM
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29. Well now,
isn't that special :sarcasm:
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:26 PM
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32. Yeah. It's time to boost the budget of Defense.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:14 AM
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33. We're ALWAYS ready, if we have to be. As bad as this
country as become, if we ever had a major attack on the country I believe in my heart that we would step forward and defend it. I truly believe that Americans would, for the most part, fight to the last man before they would allow invasion or a take over, if it came to that. Maybe I'm just gullable..................maybe the greatest generation is gone.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:24 AM
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35. Isn't this bullshit where we came in - back in 2001?
INTERIOR. THE PENTAGON, 5-6 TRILLION DOLLARS AFTER 9/11.

"We're vulnerable to surprise attack! No one's heeding the warnings!"

"If only we could double the murder budget. Then we'd be safe."

"We must kill the terrorists before they are born!"
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:36 AM
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38. Thank goodness. I wouldn't want the military attacking us.
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