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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:38 PM
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Dean's bid for White House alarms Blair allies
New Labour is worried about anti-war stance of Howard Dean.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1121817,oo.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:41 PM
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1. Dean represents the same sort of insurgency
that is taking place among Labour backbenchers against Blair's New Labour.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:50 PM
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2. we don't give a crap what liars think......
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:55 PM
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3. Yes, we don't care what the liars think. We want the truth! nt
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:15 PM
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4. Tony Blair is toast anyway
Britons didn't fall for the Iraq rah-rah.

Name me one country that would prefer Bush* over Dean.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:17 PM
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5. Uzbekistan?
n/t
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:57 PM
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7. Don't forget Tadzikistan!!
:-)

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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 12:00 AM
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8. Touche~
I guess I should have specified "countries that don't share Bush* worldview."
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Yerta Bulti Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:42 PM
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6. Funny game going on here
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 11:42 PM by Yerta Bulti
Tony Blair gives an interview with David Frost on the weekend in which he appears to begin to admit that he may have made a boo-boo in supporting the Iraq invasion. It's all humilty and moving on as Blair admits he "doesn't know" if WMD wil ever be found in Iraq.

Now we hear reports of supposedly nameless and faceless bueurocrat "Downing street advisers" getting alarmed about the possibility of a Dean White House for fear their errors may be pointed out, meanwhile the PM is in the very process of "showing his human, error prone side"...

Methinks some "faceless Downing Street advisers" will get the boot while Tony shape changes into a much more pallatable liberal who has seen the error of his ways. "I was acting according to the advice of my trusted advisers. Since my actions have proven to be wrong, I have made amends by sacking the advisers."
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 12:01 AM
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9. "I have made amends by sacking the advisers" ??!
OMG. Hilarious! Very well written!

Welcome to DU :toast:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:14 PM
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17. Hi Yerta Bulti!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 12:26 AM
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10. Stop calling them "New Labour"...Let's call them "Tory Labour"
...a term which more accurately describes this forked-tongued, knuckle- draggin' cabal of oil grabbers.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 12:31 AM
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11. Blair can begin to see the writing on the wall
Slowly but surely. How much did you get for your soul?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 01:09 AM
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12. Tony's just waiting for his seat
on The Carlyle Group's board of directors
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 10:42 AM
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13. kick
:dem:
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 11:39 AM
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14. The grass roots campaign
as has been used very successfully by Howard Dean is the exact sort of thing that Tony Blair became leader of the Labour party to crush.

The result of Blair's power mad brand of politics is that the british people are very much alienated from the politicians they elected to serve them, and voter turnout is plummeting over here as people are increasingly fed up with having to choose between a parties whose policies they abhore and parties who stand very little chance of obtaining power. The thing that British politics could really do with at the moment IMHO is a Dean style challenge to the madmen in authority. THAT is what Blair is wetting his pants at the prospect of.

I cannot see Blair wanting a strong democrat in the whitehouse when he is so much closer ideologically to the PNAC.

Maybe this article explains it a bit better why Phoney B:liar is running scared?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1120733,00.html

Dean's bid for the Democratic nomination is more than just an electoral campaign. It has all the attributes of a movement - a bottom-up surge of like-minded, motivated people who have discovered they all have something in common and are now mobilising in order to act on it. Around the country strangers are meeting in towns and cities in their tens and twenties, donating money in $10 and $20 bills and coming away with not just posters and badges but "to do" lists. "Participation in politics is increasingly based on the chequebook, as money replaces time," argued Robert Putnam in Bowling Alone. Dean has managed to get people giving time and money.

The fact that Dean has become the focal point for this energy matters. His winning the nomination would be roughly the equivalent of Ken Livingstone taking over the Labour party. Not that Dean has the same politics as Livingstone. But, broadly speaking, they stand a similar distance to the left of their party establishments and - recent reconciliations notwithstanding - are equally loathed by their party bosses.

His insurgent candidacy marks the first electoral awakening of the growing ranks of the disaffected and disenfranchised - a group not confined to America but spread over most of the western world. Over the past decade, they have protested, petitioned or just grumbled in each other's company. But the one thing they have not managed, until now, is to make a decisive difference at the ballot box. Instead, they have chosen between voting for parties they no longer believe in, or parties they know cannot win, or just not voting at all.

In the Dean campaign we are gaining a glimpse of the organisational methods that could bond the disparate and disenchanted at a local and a national level, whether in Germany against Schröder's economic reforms or in Britain against Blair's foreign policy and tuition fees. It does not answer the question as to whether activists should stay in those parties, form new ones or join others. But it does indicate how, wherever they end up, they might mobilise large numbers of people effectively at the polls.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=29655
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 12:35 PM
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15. Oddly enough
Edited on Tue Jan-13-04 12:35 PM by RogueTrooper
There are similarities between DfA and the "new" Labour 1997 general election campaign. The campaign, itself, was managed mostly by Gordon Brown and his "side" of the Labour Party. At the time the Labour Party was engaged in a huge membership drive.


And yes, we have seen both the Blairites and the Brownites at our London events. I love telling them how much the Democratic party's grassroots loathe Blair and the Labour Party. It has knocked the smiles off some of the smugger aparachicks.

Clark is the Blairites candidate and Dean is the Brownites candidate.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 03:05 AM
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16. Well the trouble is...
I cannot see "new" labour having anything to gain from a Dean style grassroots campaign. The recent mass movements, be they Countryside Alliance or Stop the War Coalition have all been anti-Blair in nature.

A Dean Style insurgency would more likely than not be those on the left disillusioned with 3rd way shenanigans. Particularly when you consider that "new" labour currently runs very much from the top down which the Dean campaign evidently does not. The main bunch I can think of who might be able to pull it off are the Liberal Democrats. Livingstone might have been able to pull it off but he's back in the party fold now so we shall see how that one plays out.
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