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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:20 PM
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China barred 3rd Navy visit to Hong Kong
Source: Associated Press

The Chinese rejection of U.S. ship visits into Hong Kong is broader than initially reported, the Pentagon said Friday, revealing for the first time that a third incident had occurred last week.

According to a defense official, a request for the USS Reuben James, a Navy frigate, to make a New Year's holiday stop in Hong Kong was formally denied by the Chinese last Thursday. The denial came the same day the Chinese turned away the USS Kitty Hawk and five ships accompanying it for a Thanksgiving port call.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the denial has not been publicly announced, said the Reuben James, based in Pearl Harbor, had made the port visit request in October.

According to the official, shortly after the Kitty Hawk was turned away, the Chinese reversed their decision and said the ship could enter the harbor, but by then the ship was too far out to sea. During that notification, the Chinese also told the Navy that the Reuben James visit was being denied. No reason was given for the refusal.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_china



Shouldn't we start boycotting them for putting our troops in harms way, as the article says they did by forcing other ships out to see during storms, for refueling, instead of giving them safe-harbor to whether out the bad weather?

I already check every thing I buy, and put food back on the shelf when it says, "made in China", and try to buy other goods not made there. This reminds me, similarly, of how close minded the leaders of some of the hardline Muslim countries are towards woman, minorities, Christians, and GLBT people. We keep giving them billions and they do as they want.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:24 PM
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1. As you celebrate your Made-In-China Christmas...
Edited on Fri Nov-30-07 12:26 PM by progressivebydesign
ponder who the fuck we're enriching buy buying everything made in China now. I have seen the enemy and it is us. We're financing our own destruction through our demand for cheap crap made in China. One one hand we're hastening the environmental demise of the planet and the end of our species through feeding the industrial (polluting) machine in China. And.. we're feeding it literally by sending more and more of our dollars there, so that they are ultimately used for military purposes, which will turn on us eventually.

Too late for me to do anything about it this year.. (long story), but I swear to God next year I'm not purchasing one damn thing made in China. And now, I'm looking even closer at everything I buy, to see where it's made. You'd be shocked... I have given up my Trader Joes addiction when I started reading labels and found out how much of their food is imported from China. We're not talking chinese food.. we're talking canned black beans, artichokes, frozen broccolit, entrees, etc. Bring it home folks. Shop locally. Save the Country and the world.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:28 PM
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2. And we maintain a naval presence in the South China Sea because...?
I don't think it's to spy on and intimidate Australia.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:37 PM
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5. those big container ships
pirates,and our empire...the usa navy is already developing rail-guns that will reach into the major coastal cities in china...the game is in play
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:44 PM
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10. supposedly North Korea
but in reality we fear the Big Red Dragon..

That and we've been imperialists for a long while now. Parading around the waters of other nations is what imperialists do.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:31 PM
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3. The Chinese remember the Opium Wars & the looting of the Summer Palace.
Your average Westerner has not a clue about these events but the Chinese know about them much like an American would know about Pearl Harbor.

The Chinese are now in a position where they can say "Get lost!" to what they view as instruments of Western imperialism.

In the future expect to see more aversion to US military showboating in the Pacific.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:33 PM
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4. you know we really do not need the shit we buy from china
at one time we made that stuff here. what we made were stuff that lasted and could be fixed. buy a 20 dollar appliance and when it stops working throw it in the garbage.i just found a "brand new" made in america 60`s fry cooker/crock pot that weighs a ton and will last for years. i shop at the local charity shop and i run across a lot of appliances and other stuff that was made in the usa and it still works and is fixable...

giving ships safe harbor is an unwritten rule of the sea...i guess the laws do not apply to china
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:38 PM
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6. Boycot
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:06 PM
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7. Man, Tom Clancey's gonna be pissed!
> a request for the USS Reuben James, a Navy frigate, ...

They'll probably let the Red October in, though.

Tesha
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:20 PM
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8. Maybe we need to shock and awe them...
Why hasn't the Cocaine Cowboy moved quickly to shock and awe them into submission?

Why hasn't the Cocaine Cowboy declared we need to "liberate" the Chinese people?

Why hasn't the Cocaine Cowboy gone to the United Nations to demand sanctions?

Because the Bushes are doing quite well in China, that's why.

Their motto is "Bushes first, America second."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:38 PM
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9. exactly! they're doing just FINE in China... we don't have to liberate them for some reason. ha n/t
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:46 PM
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11. hahhaa...
Nobody can shock and awe the Chinese. They've got about 300 shock and awe toys of their own...

that and the capitalists monsters here ARE doing good in China.

We have no contingency plan against China, except being very strict consumers. Our wallets are our only weapon against the Red Dragon.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 05:31 PM
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12. Remember when Bush's daddy was in Beijing selling Chubb insurance to the Chinese govt?
And then defended its actions at Tiananmen Square?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 09:41 PM
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13. This may be part of a global strategy by China, Russia and India--and
possibly other countries as well (Iran, Venezuela, Ecuador--OPEC countries, two with Bolivarian democracies--also Nicaragua, and maybe many more) to curtail the lawless U.S. bullies in the White House, and prevent an attack on Iran.

I read about a meeting of China, Russia, and (I think it was) Indian leaders, in a small blip in the news that quickly disappeared into the corporate river of forgetfulness (our news media), for just this purpose. India would be interested, as an historically non-aligned or neutral nation, with understandable concern about Pakistan's nukes (re: U.S. support for Pakistan's dictatorship). The Bushites have been greatly perturbing Russia lately, with threats of missiles right on their border in eastern Europe. And China holds much of our debt paper, and has never liked us, and also gets much of its oil from Iran. I didn't save this newsbit. I wish I had. I believe it was sometime around our 2006 elections, when the UK sailor hostage crisis was happening (with Iran).

These countries, whatever we think of their governments, have done nothing as lawless and disturbing of world peace as invading another country, half way round the world, and slaughtering a million people to get their oil--and furthermore making a bloody awful political, diplomatic and civil mess of it. At least the Russians, when they invaded Afghanistan (way back) created a decent civil government--one of the best Afghanistan has ever had. And they had a more legitimate geopolitical interest in Afghanistan, also in Chechnya, than we do in Iraq or Afghanistan. In truth, if we had invaded anybody, on account of 9/11, it should have been Saudi Arabia!

Anyway, there are rules--balance of power things--that governments generally abide by, in a world configured such as ours is. The Bush Junta broke the rules, and has openly threatened to break them even more, by attacking Iran.

I think that's what this is about. It is a warning--and may well be part of a concerted strategy to curtail Bush/Cheney, that involves economic punishment, among other things. China has to be careful about that, since they want to keep our consumer market. Their part may be to curtail U.S. military movement.

Recently, Nicaragua--another Bolivarian democracy (which just elected Daniel Ortega, past leader of the Nicaraguan revolution--1980s), as president--proposed creating an OAS without the U.S. as a member--at a meeting of Latin American countries, Spain and Portugal--the meeting where the flap between President Chavez of Venezuela and King Juan Carlos of Spain occurred. That got all the headlines, and there was hardly a whisper about this Nicaraguan proposal. There was a closed-door four hour meeting about it. The political landscape in South American has greatly changed over the last decade. It is very anti-Bush and anti-U.S. Corporate, and aiming at self-determination and social justice. There are also discussions of a South American "Common Market" and common currency (to get off the U.S. dollar), and several practical developments toward that end (creation of the Bank of the South, creation of Mercosur and other South American trade groups).

Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, also a Bolivarian, is going to kick the U.S. military base out of Ecuador, and Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador are all stopping cooperation with the phony, neverending U.S. "war on drugs" (excuse for U.S. military presence in these countries).

And you may have heard about statements of Chavez (Venezuela) and Ahmadinejad (Iran) about OPEC trading in euros, and going off the dollar.

These and other developments--viewed together in a list, like this--sure look like something's up, as to a strategy by the rest of the world toward the U.S. (Bush/Cheney and corporate cabal).

If true--and I think it is--WE, the People, are going to pay for Bush/Cheney's crimes, probably with very serious economic punishment, that is possibly already in motion, and yet worse to come if they attack Iran. I don't think these countries want war. I think they've done a lot already to avoid it. (I think Russia was sorely provoked by the invasion of Iraq, and, if they had not been preoccupied with Chechnya, and still reeling from the breakup of the Soviet Union, we might have seen WW III right there.) They want to isolate and disempower the U.S. as Superpower Bully of the World.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:00 AM
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16. If the Rest of the World Is Going to Intervene and Save Us From the Bushbots
I wish they would get a move on. We're dying here, at the hands of our own Democratic leadership!
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 01:38 PM
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18. Umm, NO thanks. Intervention
from china (maybe they will be nice to us like they were in tibet) India (where you job is going if you sit in front of a computer), and the rest of the world at large may not be a great thing.

I'll take my chances in 08.

In the mean time maybe they can figure out how not to poison us with their cheap shit, and destroy their environment all at once. At least draw it out a bit, like we are.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 11:09 PM
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14. Why should China host US military ships?
The US is constantly interfering in China's affairs. China is smart to downgrade relations.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:56 AM
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15. More there than meets the eye. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 01:32 PM
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17. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to call China and say "Nyah nyah
we gave the Dalai Lama an award," Georgie. Espeically when China controls so much of our debt.


rocknation
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 01:48 PM
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19. Moral issues should always take a back seat to realpolitiks. nt
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