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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:47 PM
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Saddam’s Secretary “Dies” In US Custody
Unofficial Iraqi sources told Al Bawaba today that Abed Hamoud al-Tikriti, presidential secretary of former leader Saddam Hussein died two days ago while in US custody. Iraqi security officials contacted by Al Bawaba declined to comment on the report, but have not denied it either.

Al-Tikriti was taken into custody on 18 June, 2003. Abed Hamoud was considered one of Saddam's closest aides, and controlled access to the president. He was said to have directed matters of state and handed down many of the ousted regime's orders. Upon his capture, the US authorities claimed Abed Hamoud possessed vital information about Iraq's alleged WMD. Since his detention, reports in the Arabic press have claimed he was tortured by US investigators to pressure him to provide information on weapons development programs.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=90338&list=/home.php&

TYY
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:49 PM
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1. Dead men don't tell tales
Let the silencing begin.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:02 PM
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6. I'm sure we can trust the Bush Admin to speak for him...
NOT

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:51 PM
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2. Ve Have Vays Of Making You Talk.
What was all of the commotion about the comparison of * and you know who?

Jay
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:54 PM
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3. The second high ranking Iraqi to die while in US custody....
Seems I remember that a general *died* a few months ago.


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:00 PM
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4. Remeber how we killed Chemical Ali and THEN captured him?
Two months apart. It was on a Top 10 idiots list a while ago.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:01 PM
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5. How many times did he "fall down"?
38 or so?
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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 07:49 PM
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17. I am sure the autopsy
will reveal that he had in fact died of natural causes. After all, gravity is perfectly natural. As is electricity. And bamboo shards.

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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:43 PM
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7. Torture has a way of making people die.
He wouldn't lie about the WMD - "there are no weapons of mass destruction" were likely his final words.

They're taping all these interrogations right? /sarcasm off/

Locked up since June, tortured since then, and he's not a young man - I'd probably kick too.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:15 PM
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8. ooops!
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 05:16 PM by Desertrose
damn...torture will tend to do that...make you dead and all.

Shit!

Oh yes, we sure have the moral highground here, don't we....

:grr:

Peace
DR
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:19 PM
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9. Shot while trying to escape?
"He went for a walk alone in the woods."
--Gestapo aphorism describing some of their murder victims

You don't think he found the missing boxes of Gore Ballots, do you?

Naah. Lori Klausutis was the one who probably found them and died for the knowledge.

But one wonders what this guy knew about the Busheviks that would lead them to murder him.

Of course, the Busheviks could be blamelss if he simply died from all the torture.

</sarcasmoff>
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:32 PM
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11. We have become the Germans of 1933-34
It should not come as a surprise when other nefarious aspects of the Third Reich begin to manifest themselves in our society.

They Thought They Were Free

But Then It Was Too Late

by Milton Mayer

"The discrepancy between the kind of society many Germans thought they were building and the reality of the horror of the Third Reich presents one of the most intriguing questions of our age. "How could it -- the Holocaust -- have happened in a modern, industrialized, educated nation? The genesis of my interest in the Third Reich lies in my search for an answer to that enigmatic question. The excerpt reproduced below is one of the most insightful I have yet discovered. I share it with you - Pass it on - Lest we forget" -- RCD Third Reich Roundtable
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"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

http://www.polarbearandco.com/thought.html
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 07:01 PM
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14. Wow! I hadn't seen this before.
Thanks for sharing
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 08:02 PM
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18. Make that *we* thought we were free, because that's about where
we stand. A country run by the corporations with a one party-two name government. Free?? Not for quite some time.

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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:22 PM
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10. Probably shot while trying to escape.
That's why the entry wound is in the back of his head.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:55 PM
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12. Probably would have been able to ID Saddam
hence the 'Baxterization' treatment. Now the BFEE can use their new puppet (Doped Saddam) as they see fit.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 06:35 PM
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13. A personal secretary would know lots of neat stuff
Like who visited Saddam. (Howdy, Rummy how ya doin'?)
Who he got phone calls from. (Howdy, Rummy how ya doin'?)
Who his friends and allies were at various times. (Howdy, Rummy how ya doin'?)
Who supplied weapons at various times. (Howdy, Rummy how ya doin'?)
Where the money came from and where it went. (Howdy, Rummy how ya doin'?)

And so on.

Definitely not someone that the prosecution would like called to the stand in the upcoming trial. Assuming that there is one - I think Hussein will probably die in an escape attempt or plane crash. Probably several U.S. soldiers will have the misfortune of perishing with him.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 07:20 PM
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15. Dead men tell no tales...
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 07:27 PM
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16. any one familiar w/ al Bawaba?
interesting site, I'm unfamiliar with it....
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 01:55 PM
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19. Kick to see if anyone has heard any more on this. ...n/t
TYY :kick:
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