Iraqi Kurdish group claims Turkish troops crossed border

[sabra]

Source: NTV-MSNBC

PUKmedia, which made the claims, is the media outlet for the party led by Iraqi President Jelal Talabani.

SERE SEVE/IRAQ - An Iraqi Kurdish group has claimed Turkish troops entered northern Iraq over the weekend and have occupied several positions.
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The report, posted on the web site of PUKmedia, a news outlet linked to the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of the two main Iraqi Kurdish groups, said that 350 Turkish commando’s crossed the border after heavy shelling of the region by Turkish artillery Saturday night.

According to PUKmedia, the Zaho and Diyana districts close to the Turkish border were shelled and that a Christian village in the region had been hit by at least 30 mortar shells.

The Turkish force has occupied a number of points in the Sere Seve region, the report said.

Read more: http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/416479.asp

[Kagemusha]

1. Last time there was a big report it was DEBKA and was 99% untrue.

So I'll lay off from making big assumptions here... for now.

[sabra]

5. PUKmedia via MSNBC is a step up from Debka... at least a little :-)

[IndianaGreen]

2. Screw the Kurds! They are enabling terrorist raids launched from their territory

Hundreds have been killed or wounded in Turkey as the result of terrorist attacks launched from Northern Iraq, while the Kurdish authorities and the Maliki government do nothing about it. Turkish patience has worn thin!

[Javaman]

3. yeah and let's all forget about the genocide that turkey has been

doing against the kurds in turkey for the past 90 years.

Shame shame on those kurds... :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

4. Nothing like seeing the oppressed become the oppressors like the Kurds have become

against their neighbors in Iraq. Let's not forget either that young Kurdish woman that was dragged from her house and beaten to death because she felt in love with a Sunni. Her killers were Kurds.

I am tired of all of these "victims" that use historical grievances as justification for oppressing someone else. We have seen enough of that from the Israelis, and now we are seeing that from Kurdish apologists.

[Javaman]

8. Here in the U.S. and our short attention span theater Americans are

always mystified over how one country can be pissed at another country for centuries.

Apparently you choose to ignore the fact that for the past 90 years the turks have been systematically killing the Kurds in the eastern part of their country all because they don't want the Kurds to have their own nation.

Now that the kurds in Iraq have a "republic" the turks are pissed. And hence they mass their 200k troops along the border and have been shelling the Kurds for the past 3 months.

Call me crazy, but this just doesn't drop out of the sky. Try reading history a bit and you will see that that kurds in that region have been repressed by the turks, the iranians, the iraqis, the Ottoman, the persians, and countless other nations, tribes, and states for the past 2000 years.

I'm really sorry that you are "tired" of all these historical grievances, but until you understand the scope of the issue at hand you won't even come close to 1) understanding it and 2) solving it.

[Tempest]

14. Pot, meet kettle

You accuse me (without a shred of evidence) of having a bias, yet here you are demonstrating an extremely obvious bias.


Anyone who makes the claim that Turkey retaliation against the Kurds and the PKK is because they don't want the Kurds to have their own country does so out of ignorance.


Here's a hint: Turkey doesn't give a rat's ass if the Kurds have their own country. They just don't want their country gutted to create it.

What would be your reaction if Hispanics in the U.S. wanted to take parts from California to Texas to form their own country?

[Javaman]

20. Damn dude...

just read a little history to see the Kurds historical territory.

It doesn't take a genius, just a little googling.

[IndianaGreen]

22. Yeah, we want to take back California, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico

I am sure that our friend will recoil in horror were I to list my own list of historical grievances Latinos have against the "Colossus of the North," and our demands for redress, which would also include returning Florida, Puerto Rico, and Guanatanamo to their rightful owners.

Easy to prescribe medicine for someone else.

[treestar]

17. True enough. It gets to a point where one outside it is inclined to say

Forget the Past. Just stop now. I don't care who started it or who did worse. Just stop now, all of you.

[Tempest]

6. What genocide against the Kurds?

Are you confusing them with the Armenians?

[Javaman]

7. Nope read up some time on how the turks and the ottomens

have been at war with the kurds since the dawn of time. All because the Kurds want their own country.

[Tempest]

9. I have read extensively about Turkish history

I've lived there.

Claiming it's all because the Kurds want their own country is simplistic and fails to address many of the underlying issues.

[Javaman]

10. Ahh so you have a real non bias take on it I see...

:rofl:

[Tempest]

11. So I have a bias just because I lived there?

Without knowing why I was living there, in what part of the country I was living and with whom I was in contact with you came to that conclusion.

I guess it's true, ignorance truly is bliss.

:eyes:

[Elspeth]

12. What is your take on this?

Certainly there is some historical background, but what do you think is happening currently?

[Tempest]

13. The PKK is staging terrorist attacks in Turkey

The reason why Turkey is massing on the Iraq border and conducting operations in Iraq is because the Iraqi Kurds are harboring the PKK and Bush has done nothing about it. Bush has given lip service to Turkey and Turkey's patience is wearing thin.

Turkey warned the U.S. this would happen and it was the main reason Turkey refused to support the Iraq war or allow the U.S. to use its air space.

All countries, most notably the U.S. in recent times, has the right to retaliate against an attack on their soil.


From the article:

However, Ankara has repeatedly said that it could conduct a military operation into Iraq to strike at bases of the terrorist group the PKK, which is estimated to have some 5000 militants near the border region.

Ankara has been angered by the lack of action by both Iraq and the US, which has troops in the region, to act to halt the activities of the PKK, which has ramped up its attacks against targets in Turkey since spring. At least 80 Turkish troops have been killed since the beginning of the year, many by land mines or remote controlled roadside bombs.

[Elspeth]

15. Thank you.

This makes sense.

[Tempest]

16. In this case it's really simple and straightforward

Some people will try to complicate it and inject unrelated diversions.

[Javaman]

18. and why are they staging terror attacks?

Because the turks have been committing genocide there for the last 90 years.

This is like saying OBL hates us for our freedoms.

terror attacks don't come out of the blue, they are staged for a reason.

Check out the documentary, "good kurd bad kurd" to give you an idea of what's going on there.

[Javaman]

19. Hey you were the one that brought it up, not me.

And I am far from ignorant on this issue. I know of what I speak.

If you want to go along with the idea that the kurds are to blame here, knock yourself out. Living in a vacuum such as yourself much be nice, I equate it with keeping ones head in the ground. have fun with that.

[Tempest]

21. Interesting take

I brought it up and you instantly concluded I had a bias without knowing any of the details.

That's ignorance, no matter how you look at.


Talk about keeping your head in the ground. Turkey would not be on the border or attacking inside of Iraq if the Iraqi Kurds were not harboring the PKK. For fuck's sake, even the Bush administration admit that's exactly what is happening.


I'd get a more intelligent response from a brick wall.