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Bleys Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:19 PM
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Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Source: Raw Story

Following Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney's office.

The amendment to the bill that sets the funding for the executive branch will be considered next week in the House of Representatives.

"The Vice President has a choice to make. If he believes his legal case, his office has no business being funded as part of the executive branch," said Emanuel in a statement released to RAW STORY. "However, if he demands executive branch funding he cannot ignore executive branch rules. At the very least, the Vice President should be consistent. This amendment will ensure that the Vice President's funding is consistent with his legal arguments."

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On Thursday, Emanuel suggested that if Cheney feels his office is not part of the executive branch "he should return the salary the American taxpayers have been paying him since January 2001, and move out of the home for which they are footing the bill."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_plan_to_cut_Cheney_out_0623.html
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:23 PM
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1. Didn't John Dean mention this as the best way to show Cheney the door ? nt
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:56 PM
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17. Cheney would work for free.
Look how beneficial his deferred Halliburton compensation has been for him.

I say we impeach him, or eliminate the Vice Presidency altogether.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:08 PM
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20. But, will his staff? nt
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:56 PM
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86. Cheney would have to pay for them out of his own pocket nt
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:27 PM
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48. He's so f-ing cheap and selfish, I'd bet he wouldn't
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:52 PM
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58. He's not in it for the money
He's in it for the power. Unless they cut off his power, he's staying.
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Morereason Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:53 PM
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82. Maybe, but this would be big headlines first and he would be further exposed
It could make the way for impeachment...finally?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:37 PM
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85. don't kid yourself.
he's not in it for the chump change he gets in salary from the government and we could split psychological hairs over which he wants more--power or money--but he wants money.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:57 AM
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117. His deferred salary is chump change. $150-250k.
I understand deferred salary. I know why they do it. I don't have a problem with it. But he LIED ABOUT IT. It's the stock options where he has made the big money. I believe I read that the value has tripled. Darth now says he will "donate all profits to charity". HA!!!! That'll be the day.
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diddlysquat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:22 PM
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26. Yes, he did!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:05 PM
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39. I've been saying this for years, cut his funding!
Why does Cheney have such a huge staff of weirdos working for him and infiltrating the executive branch, of which he is not a part?

His only job is to preside over the Senate. That's it. He doesn't need a big staff or a budget for that.

I would give him an office, a desk, a chair, some pads and pens, a phone, and maybe a secretary. That's it.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #39
88. DING DING DING !!!
Grand Prize, Thank you for all your effort.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:48 PM
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. LOL... that was great!
Those errors were so well planned!

Very amusing... thanks!
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:23 PM
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2. I'll believe it when I see it. No Iraq war funding cut, no
compelled testimony from Bush Administration criminals/officials, no nothing so far from the Dems, just a lot of big talk and hot air. This is probably more of the same. Sorry to say it.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:26 PM
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3. Don't be sorry. You are absolutely correct in your statement. Sometimes,
I think the Democrats don't even realize they are in the majority in Congress. I'm still waiting for some backbone from them.

So far, they have done nothing but reinforce to me, that I did the right thing when I switched from Democrat to Independent.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:51 PM
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69. T-shirt: Congress needs to grow a spine
"Support stem cell research: Congress needs to grow a spine."

www.cafepress.com/tulsatees/3167102

:rofl:
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:28 PM
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4. Right! You said it all. All smoke and no fire.
If any representative wants to clip CheeKnee's wings then march over and join Kucinich in his bill to impeach the criminal.


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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. I posted a link below
that confirms your suspicion. It's just crumbs.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
30. slight difference
what's Cheney's approval/disapproval numbers? You think the majority of Americans give a hoot if funding is cut for Cheney?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:01 PM
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38. I'm with you. They talk big until it comes down to doing something.
Then they weasel out, with some of the lamest excuses this side of Mars.

"We don't have the votes."
"We're not through yet."
"The military has to meet benchmarks by September."

Never the truth "We're just a bunch of corporate supporting quisling padding-our-own-nests cowards."
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #38
105. Don't forget Dry Powder. They need lots of Dry Powder.
God knows what they NEED it for, but there it is.

There's a reason Congress' approval levels are even below BananaBreath's, if any of them were even remotely paying attention. Or if any of them, with a few exceptions, cared in the least.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:00 PM
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52. No kidding. These clowns haven't done anything.
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 06:01 PM by ryanmuegge
In all fairness, they do have to compete against veto power an a beyond razor-thin majority. When a Democratic occupies the White House, they'll have no excuses.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #52
90. They have no excuses now. It is their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution and represent the
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:40 AM by Seabiscuit
interests of the American people. Anything less is a violation of their oaths of office. They should never hesitate to promptly issue subpoenas, and they should have introduced bills of impeachment against all these neocon criminal bastards back in February. And Kucinich is right - they should never have offered Bush *ANY* supplemental spending bill for Iraq AT ALL!!! So what if they don't have the votes to convict, and so what if they don't have the votes to overcome a veto. They should be making the news big time by sticking to principle and doing what's right and exposing the administration and the rubber-stamp obstructionist Republicans in Congress for who and what they are on every single issue, one after another - vigorously and relentlessly. Anything less allows the criminal cabal to continue thumbing their noses at Congress, the electorate, the law and the Constitution with such utter impunity that we've now got Dick Cheney saying in utter absurdity that for purposes of being inspected by law, he's not part of the executive branch, and "Ha, ha, ha, so there, what're you going to do about it? Nothing, as always, right? Ha, ha, hardy-har ha! So bite me!"

Shame, shame, shame on every last one of them that continues to behave in this pathetic, spineless, irresponsible manner.

We seriously need to start searching all over the country for new Democrats to run against each of them in the next primary elections they face. We desperately need to be rid of this putrid pack of piglets.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. You're right. I wasn't even considering the whole supoena power issue.
As well as the whole Iraq funding debacle.

I agree new Democrats, real Democrats, are needed.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:19 AM
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94. Thank you.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 02:25 AM by Seabiscuit
Those were just a few off-the-cuff grievances I have from a vast pool of discontent.

If I weren't as dedicated to a system of government of law and not mere men, and which upholds the principles of our founding fathers as embodied in our Constitution, and if I didn't have some shred of hope left, sustained by websites like DU, I would have expatriated years ago. The current batch of politicians in D.C. makes me ill, as not much has improved since the last election.

If nothing changes in the next 10 years, when my son will be getting ready to enter 8th grade, I will move my family out of this country permanently for his sake.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #90
98. amen
perfectly expressed
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #90
109. If I could K & R your post, I would......
well said Seabiscuit
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #109
122. Thank you and thanks also to barbtries.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:47 PM by Seabiscuit
I think there are millions and millions of us out there that feel this way by now.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #2
80. I agree. I'll belive it when I see it n/t
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:52 AM
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97. That is very true, but I also think it is a great idea
If they actually do grow some fight. It should be easy for them to cut Cheney out of the funding bill, but they will have to make it clear to Bush that they aren't going to cave when he has a tantrum and vetos the funding of his whole branch of government. It would be great, but I won't hold my breath.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:29 PM
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5. Congress won't pass it. If they wouldn't hold George Bush's
feet to the fire with Iraq spending bill, they won't do this either. Even if it passes, Bush will veto it and Congress will capitulate based on their past actions.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:35 PM
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54. The Iraq funding bill was spun as hating the troops. This is hating Cheney.
Most people agree with that. It'll be an interesting next couple of weeks to see how the White House handles this.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:34 PM
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66. I hope it does work out as you outlined. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:29 PM
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6. Why should taxpayers pay a non-entity for a non-job?
It sounds appropriate.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:37 PM
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7. LOL Sounds like a great plan to me!!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:43 PM
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8. The only funding they should allow
is the moving van. Better yet, just fund changing the locks.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:46 PM
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9. This Is How The Parliament v. Monarch Game Is To Be Played, Sir
They had better stick with it....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:47 PM
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10. Ho ho!
This is going to get VERRRRY interesting before it is done.

My husband's reaction to this thread was different, however: "Cheney will just get paid from Haliburton. If Cheney is doing this to keep from going to jail for treason, it might be worth it for his whole office to forgo funding."
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:48 PM
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11. Emanuel says it's a stunt
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said he plans to propose next week, as part of a spending bill for executive operations, a measure to place a hold on funds for Cheney's office and official home until he clarifies to which branch of the government he belongs. Emanuel acknowledged that the proposal is just a stunt, but he said that if Cheney is not part of the executive branch, he should not receive its funds. "As we say in Chicago, follow the money," he said.




Washingtonpost
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
24. oh well, gets a few good laughs!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. Yeah, well...as they say in
Hawaii.."GOOD LUCK BUGGA!"
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:21 PM
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41. A STUNT?!?!?! Finally an act of defiance and friggin' Rahm says- "oh- it's just a stunt! LOL"
thanks a whole fuckin' LOT, Rahm!!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Of course it's a stunt.
What planet are you from?
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #42
61. feh
x(
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #41
107. I tune in just for the cheerleading now
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:39 AM by Moochy
See as they place incense at Rahm's feet. Thank you our lord and master lietuentant in charge of the "reality" based big money wing of the democratic party. Thank you Rahm, Emmanuel, this STUNT is truly the best thing since sliced bread! More symbolic moves please! :sarcasm:

On edit, After surveying the responses on this thread, I see that only the most dedicated of cheerleaders have come out, and really are just going through the motions. C'mon.. shake those pom poms! Goooo Stunt!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
45. The word "stunt' isn't in quotes. Maybe Emmanuel didn't use that term,
...but just said the amendment won't pass, and the reporter wrote "stunt."
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #45
103. Maybe, but it that's the way
it happened Emmanuel should demand a retraction immediately. "Won't pass" is not synonymous with "stunt" and if the Washington Post characterized it as such it should issue a retraction with an apology.

Has Emmanuel issued a press release demanding the correction yet?
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mile18blister Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
55. DAMMIT!!!!
A STUNT?!? And here I was ready to take back at least 2% of the rotten things I'd said about Emanuel. Please, please, please will a real Dem challenge this invertebrate in the primary!!!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
72. Well...Emanuel also said he shouldn't receive funds
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 09:07 PM by Spiffarino
Sure it's a stunt, but it would still be an effective one if he follows through.

Now following through, that's where the rubber meets the road. We'll see if Rahmbo has any cojones or if he's just blowing smoke again.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #11
81. That's the difference between Reps and Dems
The Republicans would be deadly serious about it.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #81
104. Yes they would be.
Because a Democratic VP couldn't get away with such an outrage he wouldn't even try it.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 06:16 AM
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101. see, that's why Emmanuel and the rest of the pink tu-tu dems are all eff'd up
IT SHOULD NOT BE A FUCKING STUNT! This should be a serious declaration to put Cheney and anyone who agrees with him on notice!! Spineless gits. Every gotdamn dem in the congress should vote to cut his office's funds and they should chide any thug who votes to fund his office for really wanting a monarchy and gutting the constitution they're all sworn to uphold.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #101
108. It betrays a callous "pragmatic"
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:40 AM by Moochy
politics over principle approach. It's the same crap we know DLC liars like Rahm are capable of, and what they continue to exhibit despite the cheer leading of their ineffective apologists in our midst.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:49 PM
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12. If the Dems can't even get this out as a "symbolic" act, then
we're fucked.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:53 PM
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14. We're fucked. nt
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nono Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:55 PM
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15. I want to know what all the candidates running
for president have to say about this. If they are for funding chenney, they should not be running.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:56 PM
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16. Why not unfund all the bastards and their evil wars?
nt
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:01 PM
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18. Hmm...a DLC-dandy doing something about this?
Not holding my breath.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Agree, and it could backfire
What if he takes them up on it? It would bolster his case.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:06 PM
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19. Ha ha, this is too funny. Wish AP would do a headline like this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:09 PM
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21. Emanuel also released the following graphic satirizing the situation: (at link)
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:54 PM
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36. This whole story is "Onion-esque"!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. Tell Cheney that Article IV of the Constitution covers the states not VP
Article I - Legislative Branch
Article II - Executive Branch
Article III - Judicial Branch
Article IV - States
Article V - Amendment Process

There is not a separate Article for Cheney or VP position.

Notice how the Executive Branch is second and not first and Legislative Branch is ahead of the Executive Branch?
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mile18blister Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
57. The Onion is doomed.
Nothing they can write could be more outrageous than the * Regime.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #36
123. Great Graphic!
I love that graphic! Can I steal it? Man, I hope they can cut off his funding and several body parts while they are at it. Cheney is an afront to democracy and liberty. That man must go.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:11 PM
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22. Ha. Touch.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:26 PM
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27. Cheney and Co will get a good laugh out of this
or maybe a sneer. Sorry, but Dems are throwing spitballs.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:28 PM
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28. Well, it's a start...
Cheney is such a hypocrite. So, he's now attempting to claim he's not a part of the executive branch? Isn't this the same guy who just a few years ago claimed that "executive" privilege kept him from having to release any information about his energy policy meetings?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:14 PM
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40. Cheney also said "The government had nothing to do with it"
in an interview when he was asked about how he made such a fortune in the years between his job with the Reagan Admin. and as of taking office as VP for W.

Does he actually think anybody believes that? He sucked down a fortune for being the link between Halliburton and all those government contracts. Does he think nobody reads or watches TV?
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:30 PM
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29. Rec & Kick!!!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

Oh how I love the Karma of that! wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!! LOL
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zyguh Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:08 PM
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31. His past use of "Executive Privilege" .........
This funding thing is great, BUT what they need to do is to hold an energy hearing and ask for the records from Cheney's energy meetings. He didn't turn the records over under the freedom of information act request because he claimed executive privilege, and thats the legal argument that was upheld by the courts letting him keep those records secret.

Right now, we all need to start calling and emailing asking our Reps in Congress to make a request for those records. He can't keep them secret if he isn't part of the executive branch, because he can't claim executive privilege. If he keeps the records secret (the ones showing that he asked his Halliburton buddies and the heads of all the major oil companies to come to his office and set official U.S energy policy with him) then he IS part of the executive branch, and needs to be jailed for breaking the law on record keeping.

Either way, if we get someone to publicly point out that he can't keep the energy meeting records secret under executive privilege if he isn't part of the executive branch, then he is F-ed. He can't have it both ways.

He is either part of the executive branch and can keep those records secret, but that means he has broken the law in regards to record keeping, etc. Or he isn't part of the executive branch and so can't keep the records secret with executive privilege so the public needs those records released immediately, and the whole administration is f-ed when the public see's what Cheney allowed big oil to do with the US energy policy.

Seriously, we need to push THIS issue as far and as fast as possible in the next couple of days until SOMEONE publicly makes the request for the records and points out the issue.
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:29 PM
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33. exactly...
Wait til people find out that the energy policy they formed could be summed up thusly: Invade Iraq!
I'd bet dollars to donuts that's why ole Buckshot doesn't want them released.

I hope to heaven they do it. We really need something like this.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:01 PM
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71.  So right, zygh.
"He is either part of the executive branch and can keep those records secret, but that means he has broken the law in regards to record keeping, etc. Or he isn't part of the executive branch and so can't keep the records secret with executive privilege so the public needs those records released immediately, and the whole administration is f-ed when the public see's what Cheney allowed big oil to do with the US energy policy."
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:17 PM
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32. Ah, please do it! Please, please, please!!!!!
:patriot:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:33 PM
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34. Yank his chain! Hold someone accountable today!
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:50 PM
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35. Don't have my glasses on yet, but am I seeing
a little spine here? It's too blurry for me to make out.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:08 PM
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43. Nah. Just Some Snark
Jimmy Carter will apologize for Rahm, wait and see.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:00 PM
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37. Well, if that doesn't work, then put him under "special President of the Senate rules,"
with the rules made by the Senate, i.e., Byrd and the Caucus. Wonder how he would like Harkin and Byrd, Feingold and Sanders making up that committee?

It is time to play hardball, and this may be the impetus that breaks the beast's back (pun intended). Remember that "ship money" was what set off the English Civil War. . .
and as a result: Parliament supreme from Billy and Mary on down. . .
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:11 PM
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44. Oh, dear God, I love this presidential administration . . .
where the hell could you get such terrific stuff w/o George Walker Bush & Company? Granted the country would be better off w/o Bush & Company. But, hell, face it, where would you get such off-the-wall crapola as these guys dish out?

Funny as hell. Say, if the Vice President isn't part and parcel of the Executive Branch then which branch of government? Oh, Dick Cheney & Company are not government officials?

It gets better as these guys march off into the sunset. No kidding. The worst presidency since the Founding Fathers authored our federal constitution! I'll miss these guys. Honest.

.

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:28 PM
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65. This is not a presidency
It is an outlaw regime foisted on us by the Supreme Court. It's an illegal junta that will be the source of our downfall. They've looted the treasury and compromised the military, leaving us broke and defenseless.
As Bela Lugosi said in the movie "The Island of Lost Souls," "Law no more."
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:14 PM
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46. Obtaining money under false pretenses!
:grr:
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:22 PM
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47. Emanuelle has already
admitted that the threat is a ruse...won't happen, not now, not ever. Boy oh boy, have we been duped.
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:48 PM
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50. link?
link?
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 06:21 AM
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102. your link
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 06:22 AM by SemperEadem
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062201809.html

Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said he plans to propose next week, as part of a spending bill for executive operations, a measure to place a hold on funds for Cheney's office and official home until he clarifies to which branch of the government he belongs. Emanuel acknowledged that the proposal is just a stunt, but he said that if Cheney is not part of the executive branch, he should not receive its funds. "As we say in Chicago, follow the money," he said.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:14 AM
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114. Rahm: "As we say in Chicago, follow the money,"
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 10:16 AM by Moochy
But when Rahm says that he is talking about his fundraising strategy.

on edit, Coffee help Moochy make good grammar.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:55 PM
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51. So where was the enthusiasm for the power of the purse...
...when the Dems had the chance to do something meaningful, something upstanding and moral, something showing real leadership by cutting the funding for the illegal war in Iraq?

This is a game, and a sordid one at that. I would prefer to see the Dems show some maturity, some real public concern for the wishes and intentions of the people who voted them into office back in November 2006.

Power corrupts, etc.!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:37 AM
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91. that's pathetic. Just pathetic.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:07 PM
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53. Gutless half-step, chicken-shit, COWARDLY Behavior ... Cheney could care less because ...
he's "making a killing" with Halliburton maintaining this illegal war.

GUTLESS CONGRESS - ZERO Moral Courage - Vote the complacent bums OUT!!!

http://voidnow.org
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:45 PM
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56. Cute idea, but I bet the dems will find a way to back down.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:05 PM
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59. Does that mean he has to check into a hotel in DC?
I guess the Naval Observatory is out too?
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:08 PM
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60. An elegant idea if it is followed through...
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:12 PM
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63. The Pubs are down but not out . . .
Even a toothless "vote of no confidence" in AG Gonzalez could not survive a Senate filibuster. This bill will go the same way, I'm sure.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:54 AM
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116. I'm amazed that the Repo bills all seemed to pass Dem filibusters but not visa versa.
What's up with that?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:15 PM
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64. love it - Touche you bastard.
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:39 PM
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67. get the money back, too
If Cheney claims his office is not part of the executive branch, then he has taken government money under false pretenses, and must return that money plus penalty, as described by law.
Send that man the bill!
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:48 PM
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68. you know before you know it
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 08:48 PM by focusfan
Bush will say he is not part of the executive branch
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:59 PM
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70. Nice play
Check to Mr. Cheney. How about ENDING THE FUCKING WAR!
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:09 PM
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74. I think that Haliburton will continue to fund Cheney.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:37 PM
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75. "Cheney is currently an extremely dangerous man"


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/06/cheneying-chene.html


Cheney is acting as if he is outside the constitution and above the law. He has been acting that way for quite a while now. When a public official abuses the public trust and refuses any oversight, it's time for the other branches of government to do what they can to rein him in. Especially when the man has revealed himself to be a blithering incompetent.

I don't think this is a trivial matter, because it seems to me that Cheney is currently an extremely dangerous man. He has nothing to lose in the next eighteen months. He cannot get any less popular. He thinks the 2004 election is the only legitimacy he needs. He doesn't believe the Congress should have any role in foreign policy. And he also believes that Iran must not develop nuclear power and that no one apart from him can stop them. The drum beat coming from his office about Iran's direct involvement in the Iraq war is obviously a preamble to claiming that the 2003 war authorization gives him and Bush the right to bomb Iran without going back to the Congress for approval. He's a man ready and willing to pull a Cambodia. If the Congress and the press don't start pushing back now, it may come sooner rather than later.

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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 11:18 AM
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118. Cheney
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:05 PM by fightthegoodfightnow
On this we agree. I believe critical mass is building against the Cheney presidency or vice presidency or where ever his daily grab for power takes it's seat.

This man should be impeached. Unfortunately, I doubt it's going to happen and time is, gratefully, running out. My fear is he still has time to do much damage. I hope Congress starts to abate his power.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:52 PM
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76. Welcome to DU. What a delightful thought. Outstanding.
:hi:
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:07 PM
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77. Cheap political STUNT!!!
Seriously, just impeach this criminal already. Then arrest him for crimes against the Constitution. Then send him to prison.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:13 PM
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78. Big, bad Dems! Puttin' on a show!
I'm so impressed (NOT)!!!

Just cut the GD war funds if you want to actually DO something, Rahm, baby.
Oh, wait: You're working for the side that wants us to stay in Iraq ad infinitum ... without ACTUALLY looking like that's your motive.

Thought this "smoke and mirrors" empty gesture would WOW us, didn't you, Rahm?
Well, it didn't!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:43 AM
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96. I'll second that emotion - this is just more verbal horseshit from another spineless Dem who won't
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 02:43 AM by Seabiscuit
get to work doing his/her job DRAFTING ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT against Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales, and ISSUING SUBPOENAS AND THEN ENFORCING THEM IN COURT AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF THIS ADMINISTRATION INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL FIRING 0F 9 U.S. ATTORNEYS andCUTTING OFF ALL FUNDING FOR THE IRAQ WAR NOW!!!! All this should have been done long ago and none of it will ever happen given the current makeup of Congress.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:29 PM
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79. Nice thought but who thinks they won't back down in a few days.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:28 PM
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83. /clap for the dems on this - it draws attention to Cheney's bullshit
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zentrum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:28 PM
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84. This dangerous move would help Cheney
The problem with this tactic is it can be used to validate his contention that he is not in tHe Executive Branch. It makes the argument for him.

Small satisfying moment of triumph for the people at the cost of a really big loss Constitutionally. He'd love us to cut off his funding because it wins for him the bigger prize of not having to be subject to the laws governing Executive records.

Those records are clearly dynamite for him to go to this extreme. Cutting off his Executive Branch income is falling into his trap.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:02 AM
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87. It makes no arguement for him
but it doesnt matter anyhow....the democrats will rant and rave and make threats then give them whatever they want, as always
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:18 AM
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106. I agree
This only legitimizes his claims, indeed.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:23 AM
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89. too bad it's all smoke and no fire.
Wonder if the Sundays talking heads will pick up on it.
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rcdean Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:56 AM
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92. Can't we just IMPEACH this rotten bastard?
Sweet Jesus on a bicycle, I can't believe we don't have indictable evidence against this crook by now!

For example, is it not criminal for a sitting VP to receive annual stipends from a company whose contracts with the government he has personally authorized and approved? How can that be legal? If it is, why are we not making it illegal right now?

This Emanuel move (much as I like Rahm) is a side-show that will go nowhere. Impeachment is what Cheyney deserves. No less.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 11:41 AM
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120. "Impeachment is off the table"
AKA carte blanche to do whatever they want.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:31 AM
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95. Haha! This is good. Hey Dick, don't let the doorknob hit'ya
You scheming prick.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 04:34 AM
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99. they aren't going to do anything to Cheney . . . they're deathly afraid of him . . . n/t
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 06:08 AM
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100. how about delivering a pink tutu to every dem in congress and the senate
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 06:25 AM by SemperEadem
too bad one can't deliver spines to them in case they left theirs in their home districts where they talked a lot of shit to get elected.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:11 AM
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111. bingo (n/t)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:06 AM
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110. rawstory appears to be down...
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 09:10 AM by Triana
...and if this is just a 'stunt' than Mr. Emanuel is as guilty of wasting taxpayer money (on "stunts") as Tricky Dick II is guilty of wasting it on offices he claims he doesn't occupy so that he doesn't have to disclose his dirty deeds.

We didn't elect court jesters. We voted for representatives in gov't. (or so we thought). If Mr. Emanuel wants to be a court jester he needs to join the circus.

And SOMEBODY (though I haven't a clue WHO) needs to TELL THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that the US government is NOT their personal, private entity to run as they damn well please just to serve themselves.

Court jestering, threatening then backing down, and schoolyard pranks are NOT going to cut it. But it appears that is all Democrats are interested in doing and BECAUSE that's all they're interested in doing then they are as GUILTY of government mismanagement as he Repubes.

What was that Einstein quote about the world being a dangerous place not because of evil -- but because of those who refuse to DO anything to stop it?

There you go...
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:32 AM
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112. His vote if needed, is NO Longer valid.
or are any previous votes that he used. They should all be up for re-consideration.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:57 AM
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113. Cute
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 10:06 AM by sheeptramp
But I really wish they'd impeach the treasonous veep , instead of a clever yet ultimately meaningless legislative stunt.
Its TREASON!
IMPEACH!
Jeesus.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:46 AM
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115. Our leaders: all show, no substance.
Quick with the cute tricks. Yes oh so clever. Meanwhile as long as DICK's office does not have to archive its documents with independent oversight that office will be free to shred to its heart's content, destroying any evidence of criminal endeavors. Emanuel is a corporatist asshat enabler.
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19jet54 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 11:26 AM
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119. Gotta love it!
:rofl:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 11:44 AM
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121. Sweet! n/t
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:54 PM
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124. Looks like it's going to be hard to keep Bigot One in the air from now on.
I had been thinking they should have done this a long time ago. What next? Junior vetoes the legislation like he will everything that doesn't look exactly the way he wants. None of the Congressional Dark Side will support Democrats on this so Executive branch funding will be in limbo. Who will blink first? Who will public sentiment turn against?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:25 PM
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125. shit. i just missed recommending this by about five minutes!
well--i look forward to the reaction of this bill.
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