Bush set to veto Iraq bill, address nation

[sabra]

Source: AP

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The White House said Bush would veto the bill on his return to the White House and then go before television cameras at 6:10 p.m. EDT, just before the evening news shows, to make a statement, coincidentally on the fourth anniversary of his so-called Mission Accomplished speech.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18412464/

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The White House has just announced that it will be receiving the Iraq supplemental from Congress shortly. And when President Bush returns from Central Command later today, he'll veto the bill privately and will make a statement about it at 6:10 pm ET.

What's more, the White House is asking the TV networks and cable channels to carry Bush's statement live. In his remarks, according to the White House, Bush will outline the reasons for his veto, and make it clear he's willing to work with Congress -- beginning tomorrow -- to find a solution.

[maddezmom]

same ole same ole

:eyes:

[babylonsister]

1. I hope he makes a big flippin' deal about it, and hope Dems are ready

with their counter-argument, mentioning today's anniversary numerous times.

[rodeodance]

2. cspan 3 will cover it

[hatrack]

3. 6:10 PM EDT? Good, I'll be in my car with the radio OFF.

:puke:

[dflprincess]

4. 6:10 Eastern?

Pretty much means that people in the Central, Mountain and Pacific time zones won't see it live. Not that we'll be missing much.

[Marnieworld]

15. Well you don't expect him to delay cocktail hour for you?

This probably was already a delay. He's got to get a good buzz and unwind by 9pm bedtime. Presidenting is hard work. :eyes:

[Strawman]

5. I can't watch

I can't watch them uncritically parrot Bush's line that he's "willing to work with Congress."

Willing to work with them how? To let them "decide" to do exactly what he wants?

If they say "the President says he is willing to work with Congress," I will bang my head against a wall until I am unconscious. He is absolutely unwilling to compromise. He can't just assert that he is willing to be reasonable and flexible.

:banghead:

[liberal renegade]

6. whop - dee - fuckin - do

take your ball and go home, you big, fucking, crybaby....

[k8conant]

7. Just "during" the evening news shows in EDT...n/t

[LSparkle]

8. Are they going to make time available for the Dems to speak?

This is total b.s. PROPAGANDA -- there is NO REASON for him to speak to the nation, and if he gets the chance, then the Dems ought to have time, too.

Hopefully at least a couple of the networks will TURN HIM DOWN. Why waste precious time that could be used for *news* (or what passes for it on our sucky MSM) listening to another regurgitation by Robot Boy?

[acmavm]

9. After his cold cold cold reception earlier today one would think

that KKKarl would have him stay away from the cameras, wouldn't one?

[no_hypocrisy]

10. He doesn't want to and won't work with the democrats.

By addressing the nation, he's falling back on one of his (and Reagan's) favorite form of logical fallacy, appeal to the public. He really believes that if he can get HIS message out, it will override the will and the common sense of the populace, and in turn, they will compel their representatives and senators to do whatever Bush tells them has to be done.

It won't work.

[Bob3]

11. this outta be good -

every time this nimrod tries to jawbone the nation by talking he just digs himself in deeper and deeper. can we get a 19% approval rating? yes we can!!

he thinks compromise means everybody doing what he says as well.

[Bob3]

12. dup please delete

sorry

[MaineDem]

13. I'll be watching the baseball pregame show

If I ever planned to watch the news at 6pm I surely won't now.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Do you suppose he'll have nerve enough to do it with his usual

backdrop of flags, soldiers and their families? That would be just too ironic.

Edit for clumsy fingers.

[SunDrop23]

16. No thanks, I'll be in my yard spreading manure, instead of listening to that jackass spew it.

[xxqqqzme]

17. I'll wwatch on Countdown -

out here 6:10E is now!

[HughBeaumont]

18. "The Death Must Continue . . . at least until January 20th, 2009."

Really, isn't that what this middle-fingeresque action is saying to the country?

This asshole is a blight . . . a BLIGHT on this country.

[rodeodance]

19. White House: Bush to explain veto of war funding bill

Source: cnn



White House: Bush to explain veto of war funding bill
POSTED: 4:36 p.m. EDT, May 1, 2007
Story Highlights
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• NEW: President to announce his decision at 6:10 p.m. ET
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four years after declaring victory in Iraq in a much-ballyhooed speech from the deck of an aircraft carrier, President Bush prepared to veto a war-spending bill that calls for pulling American combat troops out of the now-unpopular conflict.

The president plans a 6:10 p.m. ET address to the nation after vetoing the $124 billion measure, which calls for most U.S. troops to be out of Iraq by March 2008.

Before sending the bill to the president Tuesday afternoon, Democratic congressional leaders urged Bush to sign the bill and begin winding down the war.

"A veto means denying our troops the resources and the strategy they need," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada. "After more than four years of a failed policy, it's time for Iraq to take responsibility for its own future."

The spending bill, which Congress passed last week, funds military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it also calls for the withdrawal of U.S. troops beginning in October, with the goal of getting all U.S. combat forces out of Iraq by the end of March 2008.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/01/congress.iraq/index.html?section=cnn_topstories&eref=yahoo

[AndyA]

20. As the ad says, YOU CAN'T VETO THE TRUTH, MR. BUSH.

America is on to you and your lies.

The American people know what you and your party stand for. Death. Destruction. Padding the bank accounts of your wealthy cronies.

You are a disgrace to America. A coward. A traitor. You have failed to keep your oath of office, protect the Constitution, and protect the American people.

Mission accomplished? More like Failure accomplished.

[Roland99]

21. The Decider becomes The Explainer this evening.

And, damn, I'm going to miss his histrionics.

[adamuu]

42. LOL n/t

:rofl:

[Cha]

22. CORRECTION~ bush to LIE

about why he's VETOING THE WAR FUNDING BILL.

[Lobster Martini]

23. What's there to explain (other than miserable journalism)?

The timetable is non-binding. That is rarely mentioned, and that's poor reporting. The only compelling reason--compelling is the wrong word--to veto this bill is to send a message to Congress saying "I still have a bigger sock in my trousers." Having just seen photos from the "Mission Accomplished" speech, he's overestimating the size of the sock.

[sinkingfeeling]

32. Why do you say it's non-binding? Those resolutions were separate from the

Emergency Supplemental Bill of 2007 Conference Report: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1591



SEC. 1904. (a) The President shall make and transmit to Congress the following determinations, along with reports in classified and unclassified form detailing the basis for each determination, on or before July 1, 2007--

(1) whether the Government of Iraq has given United States Armed Forces and Iraqi Security Forces the authority to pursue all extremists, including Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias, and is making substantial progress in delivering necessary Iraqi Security Forces for Baghdad and protecting such Forces from political interference; intensifying efforts to build balanced security forces throughout Iraq that provide even-handed security for all Iraqis; ensuring that Iraq's political authorities are not undermining or making false accusations against members of the Iraqi Security Forces; eliminating militia control of local security; establishing a strong militia disarmament program; ensuring fair and just enforcement of laws; establishing political, media, economic, and service committees in support of the Baghdad Security Plan; and eradicating safe havens;(2) whether the Government of Iraq is making substantial progress in meeting its commitment to pursue reconciliation init
iatives, including enactment of a hydro-carbon law; adoption of legislation necessary for the conduct of provincial and local elections; reform of current laws governing the de-Baathification process; amendment of the Constitution of Iraq; and allocation of Iraqi revenues for reconstruction projects;(3) whether the Government of Iraq and United States Armed Forces are making substantial progress in reducing the level of sectarian violence in Iraq; and(4) whether the Government of Iraq is ensuring the rights of minority political parties in the Iraqi Parliament are protected.
(b) If the President fails to make any of the determinations specified in subsection (a), the Secretary of Defense shall commence the redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq no later than July 1, 2007, with a goal of completing such redeployment within 180 days.

(c) If the President makes the determinations specified in subsection (a), the Secretary of Defense shall commence the redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq not later than October 1, 2007, with a goal of completing such redeployment within 180 days.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. I think we've heard all of *'s arguements before. 'Stay the course', 'Bring 'em on',

'fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here', 'we only lose if we quit', and on and on.

[Maeve]

25. Don't forget "micro-manage"

That's the meme of the day!

[FatDave]

38. That always kills me

How is ending the war "micro-managing" it? Wouldn't that be decidedly macro?

[SunDrop23]

34. Let's not forget the old standby: "september the 11th" repeated 46 times.

[Miss Chybil]

40. And... "If we don't pay to keep the troops in Iraq longer, they'll have to stay there longer."

That's my favorite.

[Magleetis]

26. It will be

the same old tired BS from the same old tired POS. He is not capable of any new ideas. Iraq is lost.

[ixion]

27. oh yeah... and given that Bush is such a great talker

I'm sure it'll be clear and coherent and logical. :rofl: :eyes:

[EVDebs]

28. Don't tell me, this will be reading from a script. His extemporaneous speaking skills aren't

capable of explaining anything. It seems to run in the family.

[Tekla West]

29. He needs

to be beat with a hard-cover copy of the Constitution. Its like as close as we will ever get to him reading it.


I think this will be a turning point in that what he will say is going to be such a misreading of spending authority that he is going to tank. He is about to become yesterdays news. Sure he will keep his 28% rating (pretty much exactly the number of people who are mentally ill in this nation and not getting treated) but he has lost. He can not FORCE Congress to give him another bill. What's he going to do? Hit up Dad for the money?

Congress should turn around and pass the exact same bill tomorrow. And the next day. And the next. Let his Defense Contractor buddies turn the heat up on him.

[liberal N proud]

30. Is he going to be able to explain to the troops why he doesn't support them?

That is what his veto amounts to, He does not support the troops in Iraq. He put them there and he does not support them.

We need to proclaim that loud and clear for all to see. Repeat after me: "Bush does not support the troops".

[damntexdem]

31. Mayday, mayday!

Time to send Dubya a SOS: Sign Or Succumb!

The next bill sent to him must be much-more restrictive.

[Lil Missy]

33. Wonder if he'll be drunk for this

[Tesla]

35. OMG!!

Nah he gets off on this shit.

He thinks he can do NO wrong!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. What is his latest approval ratings (they've gone quiet?)

[MGD]

37. Oh Heaven forbid we should allow the Iraqi people to become "demoralized."

Send him a bill that calls for immediate withdrawl the next time.

[KamaAina]

39. Tomorrow's headline: "Bush Vetoes Funding For U.S. Troops"

well, maybe here, anyway. Doubtless the M$M will go with something a touch more nuanced :sarcasm: such as "Bush, Congress Disagree Over Timeline" :puke:

[mikelgb]

41. STILL WAITING FOR AN EXPLANATION

that news conference didn't cut it