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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:01 PM
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Hinckley can have unsupervised visits!
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 04:02 PM by doxieone
CNN

Judge ruled they cannot be overnight though.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:03 PM
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1. to where ?
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 04:03 PM by Drifter
Ron and Nancy's

Ha Ha Ha

Cheers
Drifter
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:05 PM
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3. They say that everyone deserves a second chance
:spank:
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:05 PM
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2. bizarre!
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 04:07 PM by flush_bush
i guess when you have connections to bushco you get special treatment even if you're a john hinkley. unbelievable.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:07 PM
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4. "our beloved Reagan"
in danger again?

pffft! CNN sucks.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:08 PM
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5. must remain in parents' presence..
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:12 PM
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6. hinkley and bush* families are very good FRIENDS.....of course
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 04:22 PM by amen1234


bush* let hinkley out...it was a done deal....

GOOD FRIENDS, hinkley's brother was sitting down to dinner at neil bush's home in Evergreen, Colorado...scheduled for the day AFTER hinkley shot reaguns, a celebration ! ...and of course, had that assassination been successful, bush1 would have assumed the presidency....neil was ready to celebrate with the hinkley's....

releasing hinkley is just another transparent act against Americans by bush* and his minions...and bush* does reward those who serve him...(haliburton, enron, hinkley, saddam, osama's family, and more)...


neil's divorce scandals might reveal more about this dinner, or the upcoming best selling book that neil's ex-wife Sharon will write...she certainly could shed some light on the dinners with Hinkley's family and the bush family 'arrangements' with the Hinkley family....it'd be great if she'd talk....America needs you, Sharon...STAND UP and tell us the truth about your ex, neil bush, the thief of the Silverado Savings and Loans....


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Murky Waters Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 06:54 PM
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22. Very interesting.
I am amazed at what you are saying about Hinkley/Bush connections. I am not familiar with these allegations but at first glance they seem plausable. Do you have any links or additional info? I'd like to know more about this.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:24 PM
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25. Hinckley - Bush Family Friend (link)
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 11:27 PM by amen1234
this isn't the only link...

goggle:

hinkley and "neil bush"

you'll get plenty of links...but here's a good one, which also includes the original AP story posted at the time of the assassination....

Hinckley - Bush Family Friend

von A. Weist - 27.11.2003 04:13

John Hinckley Jr., who shot Ronald Reagan in 1981, is about to be partially released from confinement after testimony from government psychiatrists. Hinckley's family and the family of President George W. Bush have long, complicated ties that have been little reported. Hinckley's brother was scheduled to have dinner at the home of the current President Bush's brother the day after the assassination attempt. Vice president George H.W. Bush, father of the current president, George Bush, Jr., assumed the duties of the presidency briefly after the shooting and nearly became president as Reagan almost died from the shooting. A bullet missed his aorta by less than an inch.

The Bush and Hinckley families go back to the oil-wildcatting days of the 1960s in Texas. (Ironically, they go back even farther in a genealogical sense, since the have a common ancestor in Samuel Hinckley, who lived in the late 1600s.) The relationship was much closer between George Bush, Sr., and John Hinckley, Sr., whose families were neighbors for years in Houston. John Hinckley, Sr., contributed to the political campaigns of Bush, Sr., all the way back to Bush's running for Congress, and he supported Bush against Reagan for the 1980 Republican presidential nomination. Bush, Sr., and Hinckley, Sr., were both in the oil business. When the Hinckley oil company, Vanderbilt Oil, started to fail in the 1960s, Bush, Sr.'s, Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinckley's sompany. Hinckley had been running an operation with six dead wells, but he began making several milliion dollars a year after the Bush bailout.

Scott Hinckley, John's brother, was scheduled to have dinner at the Denver home of Neil Bush, Bush, Sr.'s, son (and of course the current president's brother) the day after the shooting. At the time, Neil Bush was a Denver-based purchaser of mineral rights for Amoco, and Scott Hinckley was the vice president of his father's Denver-based oil business.

On the day of the shooting, NBC news anchor John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of the nightly news that the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president had the attack succeeded. As a matter of fact, Chancellor reported in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the (then) vice-president's son (Neil) the very next night. The story of the Bush-Hinckley connection was reported on the AP and UPI newswires and in some newspapers, including the Houston Post, which apparently originated the story. It was also reported in Newsweek magazine. Then the story about one of the strangest coincidences in presidential assassination history simply disappeared. (The AP story is quoted in its entirety at the end of this article, not for commercial use but solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.)

http://germany.indymedia.org/2003/11/68265.shtml
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PennyLane Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 02:07 AM
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26. Another interesting link!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:23 AM
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31. and another
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 04:19 AM
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27. Links to 1981 AP / UPI articles
"Lost History"

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

Four sourced articles in their entirety.


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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:20 PM
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7. Jodie Foster's reaction?
If anyone remembers, Hinckley only shot Reagan to get the attention of Jodie Foster. He had stalked her for some time and even sat with a loaded gun in the audience of a play in which she performed. She was very fortunate that he didn't kill her because he certainly had the access and was thinking about it.
Foster has remained largely silent about the matter, but Hinckley roaming around free has got to have some impact on her feelings of safety.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:45 PM
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14. If I were in her shoes
I wouldn't be sitting in this stupid cubicle, and I'd be a Hell of a lot more popular.

But seriously, I'll bet she is taking some extra security precautions.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:24 PM
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8. I can't support this
The man shot a US President for cryin' out loud! How in the world is he allowed unsupervised visits?
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:36 PM
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10. Neither can I
This goes beyond belief.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:40 PM
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11. Don't you know? In Imperial Amerika friends of the Bush's are above the
law.

No of course as an Imperial Friend who tried to off the figurehead of Raygun so that his Master could assume the throne of the Empire, it only makes sense that once returned to power, the Imperial Family would loosen his restraints as payback for the service he tried to render them.

Had Hinckley succeeded, perhaps the Imperial Amerika of 2010 is the one we would be living in NOW.

Thus, everyone should be grateful that Hinckley failed, thsu preventing the Busheviks from implementing their "Operation We Are Through Having to Endure the Freedom of the Ignorant Fodder Units" 11 years before they did.

9-11-1985? would that have been the day for LIHOP I instead of 9-11-2001?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:06 PM
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16. he seems very creepy
isn't he still obsessed with Jody Foster? I heard he tried to contact her just a few short years ago.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:33 PM
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9. Novak blaming Clinton
on Crossifre, because the judge was appointed by Clinton
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:44 PM
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12. Really, REALLY bad idea
This is why the rate of recidivism for violent criminals is so high - They get let out of prison when they should not be.

I cannot believe this is even being suggested, much less recommended by anyone.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:52 PM
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19. he was never in prison
He was found not guilty by reason of insanity, which is an outrage and proof the fix was in since he didn't meet the standards for an insanity defense. He planned the crime and laid in wait; he never denied he planned to kill the president. You cannot find someone not guilty by reason of insanity who cool-headedly premeditates their crime and knows exactly what he is doing.

Apparently he has always had free run of the hospital and guest passes into the real world. Many years ago he had a rather well publicized affair with an older, one-armed woman...or so say the National Enquirer, FWIW.

To my mind...

He was basically an aimless loser with high connections who was given a chance to step into history. I think the Jodie Foster stuff was invented from the get-go. If he'd wanted to shoot Foster, he would have shot Foster -- not Reagan, a secret service man, and Brady. I read his biography many years ago and got the impression that going to school, getting a job, all that good happy stuff was irksome to him. He was the family disgrace and here was a way he could be taken care of and get some "in" with the Bushes to boot.


The wrong people are born rich!

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 06:26 PM
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21. Correct, but he was basically sentenced to house arrest
Under medical supervision.

My problem with this is that his apparent recovery may depend largely on continued monitoring by people familiar with his past psychosis, the recovery process, and his present behavior. If he's allowed to go out unattended he may consume alcohol or street drugs, or may find himself in a set of circumstances that trigger the bad programming that has been suppressed by medication and talk therapy.

In my mind he remains a potentially dangerous individual. He was doing fine living in the hospital and having supervised trips outside. It ain't broke, so let's not try to fix it by giving him more freedom than he may be able to handle.

He committed some horrible crimes and not very long ago. I remember clearly where I was and what I was doing when I first heard about the shootings of James Brady and President Reagan.

I think the Jodie Foster stuff was invented from the get-go.

Sorry, but the letters he wrote to her are in the record of his trial for shooting Reagan. Stalkers often seek to harm the people they stalk even if they aren't consciously thinking about it. The movie Falling Down was frighteningly realistic in many respects.

BTW - Earlier this year I was the victim of a stalker. I managed to get the problem nipped in the bud before anything really bad happened, but suffice it to say law enforcement was involved.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:45 PM
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13. It gets worse. Now Hinkley's going out to nightclubs!
Here he is leaving for his night on the town, and later passing off as a "swell" in his party duds. Grrr, that Hinkley!

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:46 PM
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15. Great, and we know what happens when you mix booze and psych meds
Very, VERY bad idea, this one.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:17 AM
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30. Isn't that Elton John??
The plot thickens...

I think he looks like an "evildoer" - wasn't there a Jodie Foster movie about "evildoers"? I think it was called Nell. :evilgrin:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:15 PM
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17. hmmmmm
this makes me uncomfortable .
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VT70 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:20 PM
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18. This is terrible
Mental illness is no excuse for what Hinckley did. He should remain locked up for the rest of his life.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 06:07 PM
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20. anyone notice
when psycho murderers are free, the Bush family prospers?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:15 PM
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23. Maybe the BFEE has a new mission for him!
Maybe he can participate in the campaign.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:28 PM
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24. If he had joined the NRA his marksmanship may have improved.
Flame away.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:14 AM
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29. Amazing
how many distasteful creepy connections the Bush family has. From old man Bush's Nazi connections to Jr's administration picks. These people represent the true slimy underbelly of the US of A.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 05:08 AM
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28. Chimpy gonna pardon him too?
n/t
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 01:28 PM
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32. This is an amazingly bad idea.
Isn't anyone worried about who he might go after next?

And the possibility of him going off his meds while out & about, or him going AWOL?

The mind reels.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 02:44 PM
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33. two things
first, random connection, Hinckley and I share a doctor, works half time at St. Elizabeths, and part time in the private sector. random bit of datum.

second, you really think the Secret Service will allow him to be 'unsupervised'? please, he'll never be more than 50 feet from a man with a gun, who would love to shoot him.
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