Bush Talks Tough In Case For Troop Boost- "They Could Try To Stop Me, But I've Made My Decision"

[Karenca]

<snip>

Bush talks tough in case for troop boost

By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
WASHINGTON -

Digging in for confrontation, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney say they will not budge from sending more U.S. troops to Iraq no matter how much Congress opposes it.
"I fully understand they could try to stop me," Bush said of the Democrat-run Congress. "But I've made my decision, and we're going forward."

As the president talked tough in an interview that aired Sunday night, lawmakers pledged to explore ways to stop him.
"We need to look at what options we have available to constrain the president," said Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) of Illinois, a possible White House candidate in 2008. Democrats remain wary, though, of appearing unsupportive of American troops.

A defiant Cheney, meanwhile, said Democrats offered criticism without credible alternatives. He pointedly reminded lawmakers that Bush is commander in chief."You cannot run a war by committee," the vice president said of congressional input.
The aggressive White House reaction came as the House and Senate prepare to vote on resolutions opposing additional U.S. troops in Iraq. <snip>.

MORE:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq

[Fridays Child]

1. They are begging to be impeached. eom

[WindRavenX]

2. so...this is pretty much him whipping his dick out and telling America to suck it, right?

Jesus, he's a deluded, religious fuck.

[Karenca]

5. Unfortunately, yes.

Remember , "I'm the decider".

[Art_from_Ark]

20. And don't forget,

"It would be easier if this was a dick-tatorship...

...as long as I'm the Dick-tator"

[badgerpup]

8. .....has disjointed, deranged recollections of Lorena Bobbit....n/t

:wow::scared:

[truth2power]

13. If only...

Who would be willing to make the sacrifice? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bdamomma]

35. yes, that is what bush is doing to the American people

along with taking peoples' rights away from them, he thinks he is the ruler of world, too bad he doesn't know his history, we all know what happens to rulers/dictators.

[wordpix]

39. ewww, what an image---yuck!

[Aviation Pro]

3. I wonder where....

...Cheney's last stand will be. Maybe something akin to Ruby Ridge?

[Blue_In_AK]

4. I am bothered by the fact that they keep saying

it's the Democrats opposing this plan when it seems to be a whole lot of Republicans, as well. ** and Cheney need to get their heads out of their asses.

[sasquatch]

6. Wow he's really begging for it isn't he

[babylonsister]

7. Dems had better react to this; unacceptable on so many levels.

Are they trying scare tactics in their own odd, lame way? I can't see this flying.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. Bush going forward alright - out the exit

Dems have to clean up his mess

[wordpix]

42. and straight to the Senate trial after the House impeaches him

Senate is charged with removing him from office.

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html

FAQs and Web Resources on the Impeachment Process
Impeachment: A Look at the Process

Q. What is impeachment?
A. It is a process, authorized by the Constitution, to bring charges against certain officials of the federal government for misconduct while in office.

Q. Who are these officials?
A. Article 2, Section 4, specifies that "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." These "civil officers" include federal judges and cabinet members, but do not include Senators and Representatives, (the Senate and House deal with misconduct by their own members).

Q. What is the role of the House of Representatives in impeachment under the Constitution?
A. Article 1, Section 2, of the Constitution specifies that "the House of Representatives...shall have the sole power of impeachment." This means that it has the power to bring charges against an official.

Q. What is the Senate's role under the Constitution?
A. Once impeached, high officials are tried by the Senate. Article 1, Section 3, specifies, "The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present."

Q. What punishment does the Constitution prescribe if the official is convicted?
A. Article 1, Section 3, also specifies, "Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law."

Q. What else does the Constitution say about impeachment?
A. Article 2, Section 2, gives the President the "Power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." Article 3, Section 2, says, "The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment; shall be by jury..."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

71. Jon Conyers did try to censure Bush a few months ago what became of that?

I think Henry waxman also tried to do something. When can these be heard (now that we have a new Democratic congress)

[Demobrat]

10. It's the American people who oppose this plan.

And this isn't a dictatorship, yet.

[Miss Chybil]

67. Are you sure about that?

I mean about this not being a dictatorship yet... :-(

[Demobrat]

77. Well ..

not officially anyway.

[Name removed]

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[heldmyw]

12. He'll do it, too.

Put the knife down. Killing the messenger doesn't change the message.

He is the CommandChimp in Chief, and can do this. Legally.

Congress doesn't have to go along... and they shouldn't, but they will.

Why?

2008.

Think. A pullout confrontation, where he throws up his hands and actually does it will result in a godzillion dead Sunnis in a weekend... all the fault of Congress who "made him do it". He's off scot-free on the whole war. The Democratic Majority Congress "MADE" him do it. They buy the farm.

Realistically, there will not be a majority who will stand up and be counted because they won't want to be counted as "anti-war" or "soft on national security" or "not supporting the troops".

After Nancy and Harry called for reductions in 4 to 6 months, is this a slap in the face, a spit in the eye, and a kick in the keister?

Well you don't need me to answer that. I'm just the bummed out messenger you were fixin' to knife a second ago.

[Nezvanovich]

14. Horrible

Politics. Disgusting. Its all about money, clout and votes. How long will the madness go on>?

[heldmyw]

15. I could stop it...

...But I need a lot of power, a bunch of voters to back me....

Oh yeah! And a big ol' wad of dough!

(But you can trust me! I'm not like those other guys!)

:)

[babylonsister]

16. And that's why you're here, too.

We know what's going on, recognize the madness, and effect change once in awhile, either in our own little ways or collectively. Welcome to DU, Nezvanovich, and check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3116723

[shanti]

17. so cheney says

"run a war"...interesting choice of words :eyes:

[arewenotdemo]

74. Richard B. Cheney, War CEO

[hogwyld]

18. We can stop this madness with one little word....

Impeachment.

[bdamomma]

36. or storm the bastille.

bush is totally out of control.

[wordpix]

44. there IS an antiwar march on the Capitol on Jan. 27 but I don't think it's headed for the WH

[bdamomma]

47. it depends on march route, while participating in Sept 2005

we went right pass the WH, and I was screaming GET OUT OF OUR HOUSE, and this is what democracy looks like.

[Bryn]

19. What Plan? How?

"A defiant Cheney, meanwhile, said Democrats offered criticism without credible alternatives."

* and Cheney have made a huge mess so big that it is beyond Deomcrats/Americans/Iraqis. All right, how do we clean up their mess? What plan to fix damages so HUGE? How? Can we turn clock back?

What a dumb thing to say! No Plan, No Plan...

Bring troops home and let Iraqis alone to rebuild themselves. They've already told us again and again that they do not want USA there. x(

[Quantess]

21. Gross. That f*cker is offensive. (EOM)

[SpiralHawk]

22. Cheney, with 5 military deferments, says "follow the AWOL Commander"

who has the most shameful military record of any US pResident ever.

Bwaaa ha ha ha ha.

Shotgun Dick must be worried his Massive War Profteering will be slowed...

[tabasco]

34. Chicken hawks will fight to the last drop of OUR blood.

Corporate traitors.

[AnOhioan]

23. Bush: Congress can't stop troop increase

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congress cannot reverse last week's decision to send 21,000 more troops to Iraq, President Bush said in an interview intended to rally popular support for his plan.

"Frankly, that's not their responsibility," Bush said in an interview on the CBS News program "60 Minutes," which aired Sunday.

"It's my responsibility to put forward the plan that I think will succeed. I believe if they start trying to cut off funds, they better explain to the American people and the soldiers why their plan will succeed," the president said.

snip


Asked if he believes that he, as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, has the authority to order troops to Iraq in the face of congressional opposition, Bush said, "In this situation, I do, yeah."


More at http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/14/bush.60.minutes/index.html

[Skittles]

24. the little bastard thinks he is a real president

f***ing scary stuff

[EST]

26. More to the point, he thinks he's king and the smartest man in

the world. After all, the sycophants he's surrounded himself with all tell him so.

[EST]

25. This is the big whack.

This is the moment we've all been working toward and we we'll now find out if we have gotten far enough along to succeed or not.
There are times when I am a little antsy and feel that we need just a little more to get "readier," but here it is, ready or not.

If there is enough effect, Bush's actions will horrify and anger enough of the populace and congress to start the process of removing him and his clan from office.

If the moment of truth has arrived prematurely, there will be a huddle and much twittering but we will chicken out-as a group.

Within a matter of days or weeks, the choice will be made. Do we fall over the edge and become a total fascist society, with all that implies, or will we make the turn-that all important shift in perspective-and commence the long climb back to real democracy and civilization once again?

[mrcheerful]

27. Damn shrub used the same excuse Nixon tried to make for his escalation of the Viet Nam war

by attacking Cambodia. Congress ordered Nixon to stop and with drawl from Cambodia. Interesting that the same ones that told Nixon he could do anything are now telling the shrub the same thing.

[ixion]

28. There is no way in hell he should be allowed to get away with saying that

That is such a bogus statement. Success? You mean like the catastrophic success thus far? Why was he allowed to frame the debate like that? It's obviously a purely rhetorical statement with no basis in law or factual reality.

He needs a good trip to the Hague, IMO.

[lostnotforgotten]

29. Will This Be Enough For Pelosi To Impeach?

Or will our new Dem Congress become pathetic go-alongs as the Repugs all predict?

[RC]

32. Pelosi cannot impeach

She would only preside over the Senate...

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/impeach/constitution.htm

The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The Constitution, Article I, Section 3:
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.

[bdamomma]

37. the supreme court should throw them out, they put them in power

they can remove them from abuse of power, a girl can dream can't she?

[wordpix]

50. no, Pelosi doesn't preside over impeachment trial, Chief Justice John Roberts does

Recall that Bush nominated Roberts so I wonder how fair he would be.

The Constitution, Article I, Section 3:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

[pat_k]

75. We need to hit the tweedledum "leadership" with the biggest Clue Stick we can come up with.

They swore an oath to defend the Constitution; Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to fulfill their oath. Anything less is just cowardly bluster.

The more they bluster, the more they look like a bunch of ridiculous tweedledums and tweedledees.

'I’m very brave generally,' he went on in a low voice: 'only to-day I happen to have a headache.'

'And I’VE got a toothache!' said Tweedledee, who had overheard the remark. 'I’m far worse off than you!'

’We MUST have a bit of a fight, but I don't care about going on long,' said Tweedledum. 'What's the time now?'

Tweedledee looked at his watch, and said 'Half-past four.'

'Let’s fight till six, and then have dinner,' said Tweedledum.

[Eurobabe]

30. Line that will bring down the BoyKing: "It's not their responsibility..."

I don't know about Congress, but I've had entirely enough of this bastard. Impeachment BETTER be on the table!!

Edit: In fact, why doesn't everyone COPY THIS LINE AND LINK and send it to your Congresscritter so they can see how IRRELEVANT THEY ARE in Bushler's World.

[wordpix]

51. we really need to start the impeachment campaign in earnest---call your Congresspeople!

A lot of them are Dems now and they're likely to listen.

[Rebellious Republican]

31. Kentuk posted this and it seems to be getting overlooked.....

Why people here are not responding is beyond me. Unless everyone wants to just sit around complaining and come up with no plan to get out.

:shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3056051

[wordpix]

45. I am King Chickenhawk & can send poor kids to their deaths but not Jenna & Babs Jr.

[BuelahWitch]

62. I think he would sacrifice the daughters

He doesn't seem to care too much for them. Laura would have a fit, but I think Shrub would be more upset if they sent Barney.
He wants to be the Only Child and the girls get in the way of that...

[qwlauren35]

33. I realize that I'm being very childish...

I HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was talking to a cousin last night and explaining how ashamed I feel, personally and as an American (he has dual citizenship) that this fiasco continues, and I personally don't know what I can do to help turn it around.

I had hoped that a Democratic Congress would make a difference. I had hoped that an all-time low of 70% DISAPPROVAL would make a difference.

The only thing now that I see working is to try my darnedest to convince troops to refuse to go.

And the cost to me is nothing. The cost to them is everything.

What can we do to support deserters? Can we give them jobs, can we help support their families, can we help them get out of the US (and eventually hope for pardon?) can we help them avoid courtmartial???

Can we organize protests and demonstrations in front of recruitment centers? Can we run an anti-war ad during the SuperBowl?

THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anti war ads.

I wonder if we could get the money together.

[bdamomma]

38. how about a impeachment commercial, that would be great!!!

[NotGivingUp]

43. they would not allow the anti war ads on tv...the propaganda box

they would not allow the anti war ads in the paper...the propaganda paper delivered to your doorstep every morning. be sure to get your dose of propaganda throughout the day. tune into us...for the 'news'. we do not live in a free country.

[wordpix]

49. make that an antiwar campaign, just as we helped the Dems get in office

Door knocking, ads, mailings, phone calls---we need to organize a Campaign for Peace.

[bdamomma]

40. two words

FUCK YOU BUSH sorry three words.

[theHandpuppet]

41. So to Cheney, Congress is a "committee"?

Good ol' Cheney -- hellbent on an imperial Presidency, no matter what it says in that "piece of paper" (Bush's words) called the Constitution.

[Trajan]

46. One 'credible alternative' ....

would be impeachment ....

How many lives would be saved ? ....

[wordpix]

48. ""I'm not a revengeful person," says BoyKing from Camp David, enjoying the hills & forests as

he sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths and maiming and blindness for life.

"I think I'll have some nice roast beef for lunch...Waiter!" :puke:

[The Stranger]

52. If the Democrat Congress cannot act, then remove them and call a Constitutional Convention.

If they cannot act, then someone else must. We have been imprisoned by the Democrats' fears of upsetting the troops and Fox News for too long. Meanwhile, the world is being overrun by the totalitarian junta in power.

[cut.your.crap]

53. Such a good deal for young Americans

I met young man who just completed a 5 year enlistment. He started talking to recruiters in September/October 2001. He was angry about 9-11 and wanted to settle the score. He was sworn in Thursday, Jan. 3, 2002. They told him he could enjoy the holidays at home and he actually did.
In basic training, more than a full year before we invaded Iraq, the drill instructors mentioned Iraq more than Afghanistan. A sign of things to come??? An easier word to say? My new friend had no doubt from the beginning that he was heading to Iraq at some point. He was lucky. In five years of service, he only spent one in Iraq. To his very last day, he had fears of being sent back there. The fear of going back was enough of an incentive to not re-enlist. He spent most of 2004 in Iraq and some of 2005. It was bad then, but he knew by 2006 it was worse than what he experienced. He told me the fear of going back for more was greater than dealing with it while he was there.
He came to me at the local library (where I volunteer) for help with getting getting his resume ready, as he's only been home about a week now. There was no help getting a resume ready while in the military. There was a lot of pressure, pretty much until the end, to re-enlist.
I know if you are in prison, before you are released, they help you get ready to go back to society, including getting a resume together. For this young man, nothing. He has a few thousand dollars. He thought he'd have 10's of thousands by now, but things don't always work out that way. The procedure for getting college money for vets is overwhelming him as well, though I've found someone who can help him maybe get somewhere by the summer semester.
He's trying to find a good $3,000-4,000 used car he can pay for outright. I asked him if he should put $3,000-4,000 down on a $6,000-8,000 used car. He has that catch-22 no car, can't get to a good job. Can't get a good car because he has no job and right now, can't find anything more than $8-9 per hour. I told him things have a way of working themselves out eventually, most of the time.
Here's a young person who served his country at great risk and sacrifice. Now he's trying to get on with his life, which is seems to be as hard for him as if he spent 5 years in prison rather than the military.

[lonestarnot]

54. About the same.

[lonestarnot]

55. bUSHITLER, you could be shit'n in yer hat before it's over.

[andlor]

56. There is no other choice for USA!

We have to impeach the bastards. Every one of them.

[Karenca]

58. I agree-------

How we possibly NOT???

[goforit]

57. TRAITORS run renegade!!!

[MetaTrope]

59. Offering "credible alternatives" to a mass murderer seems an odd proposition

[Karenca]

63. Yes----

I hope the "mass murderer" lives a
long, unhappy life.
I hope he lives long enough that every day of his
miserable existence he has to hang his
head in shame.

I want him to wish that he never was President.

[Az_lefty]

60. the boy king only cares about himself and his worthless legacy...

that arrogant little ass has to be impeached to be stopped!
:grr:

[janx]

61. Someone needs to remind Cheney that it's not only Democrats

who are critical. He needs to get a grip.

[Joe Chi Minh]

64. Let's hope it's like me saying, "That's it. I've made up my mind.

We'll get out of the Common Market" (...while my wife makes all the small decisions, like where we live, how are we going to pay the bills, etc.

[superconnected]

65. That narcissism complex is really getting him.

Any minute I expect him to add "Cause God told me so" and "God said he chose meeee to decide".

I mean he's that flipping obstinate to do what *he* wants in the face of nearly every qualified person he brought in telling him to get out of iraq.

[Iceburg]

66. Too Late for whining -- 4000 Troops Arrived in Iraq Today

About 4,000 US Soldiers Arrived in Iraq Today
15 January 2007 | 16:32 | FOCUS News Agency

Baghdad. About 4,000 US soldiers arrived in Iraq today, the Commander of the Multinational forces in Iraq Gen. George Casey said, cited by World media.
According to Gen. Casey up to 17,500 troops are to be deployed within the framework of the plan of the US President for expanding the US military presence in Iraq.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n103367

One defiant, always defiant

And now its on to Iran....

[EndElectoral]

68. Are the troops bound to obey Congress or GW if those orders are illegal?

[agincourt]

69. A bunch of criminal freeper pig thugs,

in charge of the world's largest military. More than ready to take down the whole country if they lose power for good. Bastille indeed.

[Karenca]

70. Or destroy the world.

The media is as much to blame.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

72. Impeach, Impeach, Impeach

eom

[Supersedeas]

73. so much for the bogus crap that he spewed in his national address--another lie

In the days ahead, my national security team will fully brief Congress on our new strategy. If members have improvements that can be made, we will make them. If circumstances change, we will adjust. Honorable people have different views, and they will voice their criticisms. It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny.


What complete and utter filthy these people represent--as they proceed with their Eat the Propoganda, Feed the War Tour.

[HuffleClaw]

76. "I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude."

that alone proves his disconnect from reality. his claim, "I'm not a revengeful person," is not remotely believable either.