Rove Won't Be Charged in C.I.A. Leak Case

[TheWebHead]

WASHINGTON, June 13 — The prosecutor in the C.I.A. leak case on Monday advised Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation that had at times focused intensely on Mr. Rove.

The decision by the prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, announced in a letter to Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, lifted a pall that had hung over Mr. Rove who testified on five occasions to a federal grand jury about his involvement in the disclosure of an intelligence officer's identity.

In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, "On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove."

Mr. Fitzgerald's spokesman, Randall Samborn, said he would not comment on Mr. Rove's status

more...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/13/washington/13cnd-leak.html?hp&ex=1150257600&en=e40da3e03155858f&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[qanda]

1. Breaking on CNN right now

What a shame!

[grytpype]

29. There's still Libby's trial to look forward to.

With Cheney on the witness stand, should be good for a few larfs.

[wordpix2]

66. I wonder if Rover gave up Cheney to get off---not a bad proposition, IMO

[cain_7777]

156. The Grinch stole Fitzmas!

So the greased pig slipped out of Fitgerald's grasp and I am pissed off. That fat bastard should be slow roasting with a rotten apple in his mouth for treason against America. What happened? Did KKKarl have a get out of jail free card or did Fitz just blow it? I am so disillusioned by this country. We only have a sense of freedom, democracy is crumbling, and justice is a whore to the rich!

[Turn CO Blue]

186. That's what I was thinking. Fitz would want somebody higher

than that lowly snake-in-the-grass Rove.

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[orleans]

255. that's what i was thinking--was a deal cut somewhere?

who could he have given up though--libby was more hooked up with cheney than rove (i would imagine)

countdown said fitz didn't want to press charges unless he was positive he could win the case--so fitz was the judge and jury besides...hum....doesn't want to fuck up his great track record.

it's funny (not really) but just outside of chicago, in dupage county, we have prosecutors who don't want to press charges against a man who had been having sex with his three young children for YEARS (joe birkett--r----who is running for lt. governor) isn't positive he could win the case. (and he doesn't want to fuck up his great track record!)

ahh...must be something in the lake michigan water him and fitz have been drinking!

[grytpype]

89. DailyMuck: Truthout stands by its story!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000889.php

But Truthout.org -- the one publication to report, repeatedly, that Rove was definitely going to be indicted -- isn't buying it. But it's much worse than that, Truthout reported that Rove HAD BEEN indicted and is under indictment RIGHT NOW!

I reached Truthout editor Marc Ash on his cel phone this morning. "I wasn't aware that he had said that," he said of Luskin's announcement, but insisted that Truthout was "absolutely" standing by its earlier reporting.

"We've done a lot of work on this story, we've talked to a lot of people," he said, "and some of the people who provided information for the story are absolutely in a position to know."

So if Truthout's reporting -- by correspondent Jason Leopold -- is correct, is Ruskin lying? "Robert Luskin's allegations are in the best interest of his client, not necessarily the press," Ash said. "I think that the information he is providing is directly contradicted by the information we have."

Yeah, Marc. Might as well stick by your story. You're as fucked as you could possibly be.

We have to demand accountability. TruthOut needs to shut down. It's the only way to resolve this.

[nolies32fouettes]

102. Actually, truthout doesn't need to be shut down. They

still provided valuable information like 'sealed v sealed' and http://www.progressiveu.org/191842-rove-roller-coaster-again

also it doesn't mean that Luskin is telling the truth. Furthermore, Sealed v Sealed is quite interesting wouldn't you say? Hmmm...know of any huge mafia types in the news lately?

Didn't think so!

Only Bush,Cheney, Rove.

So...

[Tin Man]

115. Truthout's "bombshell" sealed vs. sealed story is likewise a "dud"

Refer to thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1406622

Focus on a discussion in a subthread by tom22, marie26, and StopTheBleeding that includes post #189. Last night, these DUers have pretty clearly torpedoed the claim by Leopold that 'Sealed vs. Sealed' is somehow uniquely significant and therefore must be an indictment of somebody important... in fact, there are 31 similar 'Sealed vs. Sealed' cases filed on the DC Dist Court docket this year alone.

Furthermore, this particular subthread makes a pretty compelling case that case '06 cr 128' cited by TruthOut, is most likely a motion to quash subpeona assoc. w/ the case of Time, Inc v. I. Lawrence Libby - not an indictment at all.

[nolies32fouettes]

176. thanks. I hadn't seen that.

(dial up...it's hard to read long threads.)

[Karmakaze]

183. 'Seled V Sealed' was Madsen, not Truthout!

Which just goes to show how desperate Truthout had become.

[Biernuts]

264. It's probably different than you think

Back in the 1970s, Nixon was reported out by the grand jury as an un-indicted co-conspirator. The same precedent would probably govern a sitting VP.

My belief is that the names may well be sealed because they are themselves protected identities at the CIA, the disclosures of which could constitute a crime. They may have given inconsistent or misleading answers to the FBI or grand jury.

Before the cases can go forward, the CIA will have to declassify their names. Based on the current law, it will depend on factors like how long they have been back from overseas - once five years has passed from their return to the US, Public Law 97-200 - the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, no longer applies.

[anotherdrew]

222. clearly they've been fed bullshit by insiders n/t

[Patchuli]

227. For one item you think TruthOut needs to be shut down?!

They bring news on far more than the cretins in the White House. Get real. TruthOut is a valuable source of news and information. Did you ask that 60 Minutes be "shut down" after the AWOL story about the Chimp?

Personally, I will keep reading TO and donating to it! My world does not revolve around KKKarl.

[Name removed]

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[bluestateguy]

233. TruthOut is getting to be like Newsmax, WorldNetDaily and Drudge

A sheer embarassment.

[IndianaGreen]

240. Sadly, you might be right

At a time when we need an independent journalistic voice, we shoot ourselves in our collective feet when we defend reporting that borders on irresponsible journalism and fiction.

[stevietheman]

241. I am tentatively standing by Truthout on this one...

we don't know enough yet to be able to say they were wrong.

[orleans]

258. i heard Jason Leopold on ed schultz today

and he was saying that he stands by his story--believes it was true--and that something must have happened in the interim to change things (kind of implying that rove sold someone else out)

????

on edit: jason was saying that luskin needs to make public the letter he is talking about from fitz--show us the letter--and he also said he still would not reveal his source even if the letter letting karl off the hook is provided for public viewing

[papau]

173. A Rove trial might happen - Statement of lawyer for Joe Wilson below

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Statement_from_Joseph_Wilson_husband_of_0613.html

Statement of Christopher Wolf, Proskauer Rose LLP, Counsel for Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson

"We have become aware of the communication between Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Luskin concerning Karl. Rove's status in the criminal investigation. We have no first-hand knowledge of the reason for the communication or what further developments in the criminal investigation it may signal. While it appears that Mr. Rove will not be called to answer in criminal court for his participation in the wrongful disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified employment status at the CIA in retaliation against Joe Wilson for questioning the rationale for war in Iraq, that obviously does not end the matter. The day still may come when Mr. Rove and others are called to account in a court of law for their attacks on the Wilsons."

[No Exit]

78. The fix is in.

[rodeodance]

110. I am waiting for details of HOW this all happened.

[No Exit]

247. I would dearly love to see the full transcripts of all Fat Boy's testimony

and also the official statements His Fatass-ship gave to the FBI. And I have a feeling we WILL see those things, in the not-too-distant future.

I think the Rove malingering was partly Fitz playing games with Libby's head. Making Libby and his counsel bite their nails over what harm to Libby all the maneuverings with Rove might cause. What, they probably wondered, was Rove telling the prosecutor? Could the inside info he was possibly spilling be harmful to Libby's case? And maybe, just maybe, this cutesy "sigh of relief for Rove" bit might also be partly a maneuver to step up the pressure on Libby. And since Libby and Rove seem to have been on competing teams--the Bush butt-boys vs. the Cheney butt-boys-- I bet this business of Rove (for now) "skating" has got Libby seeing red. Heh heh--good, let him get angry; people don't think clearly when they're angry...

[EFerrari]

112. Yep. I wonder what the deal was. n/t

[katty]

216. Fitz targeting a bigger fish(es)? or, bush crime thugs could

have threatened his and/or loved ones safety-from their dirty history I wouldn't discount severe threats from this gang, ever-it's their specialty.

[No Exit]

248. I'm willing to bet that Rove will be testifying for the prosecution in the

Libby case. Meanwhile, at least we have the Wilsons' civil suit to look forward to.

[orleans]

260. is the wilson lawsuit going to go ahead now (full blast & before

november?) now that fitz let karl off?

[maryallen]

205. No sh*t ...

Wonder if Fitzgerald would give me FIVE tries before the Grand Jury to get MY story straight?

I doubt it.

This really pisses me off ...

[No Exit]

250. Don't be too pissed off!

Look at it this way: Most of us would love to win the lottery or somehow find a way to never work again, while living in some beautiful, luxurious place... but just because that hasn't happened doesn't mean we're going to be unhappy.

And there's something else: an indictment of Rove--or a lack of an indictment of Rove--is largely a symbolic victory. The wingnuts won a cheap, symbolic "victory"--for now. We all feel like Rove is at the heart of the Bush malignancy (or the "brain"), but in reality, Rove is just the Bush cancer's Madison Avenue guy. He's not the center of the Bush mal-administration, not really. Back when I was a deluded supporter of repukelicans, we thought James Carville was, like, evil incarnate, or something. Carville always managed to make the repukes look as stupid and clumsy as they really were! But actually Carville, like any campaign or publicity guy, was a paid shill--and so is Rove. They are part of the whole machine, but they are only one small part.

Rove's been in trouble before (remember, he got fired from Daddy Bush's campaign because of something he leaked to Robert Novak). He's still currently in trouble, in that the public have all been made aware that he had SOME role in the dirty Plame outing affair. And we both know that he will be in trouble again someday. I mean, that ass Jonah Goldberg now asks, "When will Rove get his reputation back?"

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! His "reputation", Jonah? You mean, his "reputation" for being an honest, upright, guileless, saintly man? BWAAAHAHAHA! Fat Karl's reputation has stayed the same throughout all this: his reputation is as a revolting, crooked, sleazy, dishonest, cheating, gossip-mongering scumbag. He doesn't need it "back" because he never lost it.

[Julius Civitatus]

129. IOKIYAR -- These motherf*ckers get away with anything, don't they?

IOKIYAR = It's OK If You Are Republican

If only a Clinton adviser had done half of what Rove did, the Republicans wouldn't have stopped until the guy had gotten the chair. They would have instituted special prosecutors and gone relentlessly all the way until indictments were handed, no matter what.

Heck, these bastards shoot old people in the face, and then their victims have to apologize to them.


:shrug:

[lthuedk]

262. What in the fuck are you serving up CNN for?

They are the severe right's FOX news II, and you should know it. Rove rolled. The evidence need not be presented in court folks. These are new times, and if needed the five federal magistrates will dump what they know about the "big conspiracy." That will represent the worst case scenario for BushCo.

And the revolution will commence. Are YOU ready? Or, are you ready to roll over?

[qanda]

289. Huh?

[rodeodance]

2. oh my GAWD!! no no no!

[5X]

DU will be fun today. K & R. n/t

[qanda]

100. Boy oh boy. You were sooooo right.

[Amonester]

208. DU is fun everyday. It's the criminal mob that occupie$ the ...

US government since 1994 that is depressing.

I just can't imagine what these mob$ter$ would be doing if Clinton did just a tiny fraction of what they've done since their 2000 coup d'etat. They would be screaming for the firing squad 24/7/365.

[shaniqua6392]

3. I am not surprised. n/t

[durrrty libby]

9. Weasels..........weasel out. That's what they do n/t

[Bamboose]

weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals

except the weasel.

[Skittles]

12. that bastard gets away with everything doesn't he?

watch the freepers rally around this g.d. traitor, never once asking themselves how they would behave if this was a DEMOCRAT....yeah that's right freepers, you hypocritical pathetic pieces of SHIT

[Julius Civitatus]

133. Somewhere Tim Russert, Tweety, Novakula breath a sigh of relief

as they were the first journalists (AS THEY HAVE REVEALED) that were contacted by Rove and told the dish about Plame.

It all stays in the family. They are all safe now. They all got away with TREASON!

:mad:

[wordpix2]

261. no, Tweety was asking TrentLott tonight why shouldn't KKKarl be fired, as

Bush stated he would do on camera for all the world to see---fire anyone responsible for Plameleak. Tweety basically said that Rove was a Plameleaker twice (as documented by Fitz). So, even if Rove is not indicted, why shouldn't he be fired?

Trent Lott fussed, fumed, sort of agreed begrudgingly and then said something like, "No one likes being ruthless---I don't like it when I'm ruthless."

I would like to have pressed him further on that statement, LOL. But Tweety dropped the subject. Still, he got a great statement out of Lott.

[lisa58]

4. What a lousy way to start the day!

[Delphinus]

97. I know.

I'm so disappointed - when I heard it on NPR I just said "Fuck!" and turned off the radio.

[BiggJawn]

5. "And so this is Fitzmas....And Happy New Year..."

"...We'd hoped for a good one, with lots of good cheer."

Wonder what's up with this?

[Demeter]

6. My Heart Is Broken, My Spirit Crushed, My Faith in America Destroyed

On the other hand, I am sure that there are numerous other criminal enterprises that Kkkarl has participated in, so we just have to keep digging. Perhaps Fitz is doing just that--he has the license to do so.

Or am I approaching the definition of insanity, here?

[Mistwell]

185. Good question

It may well be that it is fruitless to continue to persue criminal charges against him, at least under this congress.

[Turn CO Blue]

189. We used to get the gangsters on tax evasion --

which was much easier than getting them on racketeering or criminal activities. Maybe they'll catch that snake buying child porn -- but that shows how low I've fallen to even think such a heinous thing.

[catzies]

220. No, that's exactly what Ken Starr did when Whitewater turned up empty

He kept digging, and voila! Monica.

[Ian David]

7. They're just trying to lull KKKarl into a false sense of security...

before the FBI busts down his door to search his office.

:sarcasm:

[liberal N proud]

8. The slithering snake gets away

[wryter2000]

182. Hey, snakes are sweet creatures

Don't lay this on our reptile friends. :evilgrin:

[BeatleBoot]

10. Hopefully they aren't through, yet.

[The Witch]

11. There is no Santy Claus, is there, Mommy?

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


... maybe he goin after cheney instead? ...

[grytpype]

13. And look at what's the highest recommended DU story right now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1406622

[lindisfarne]

18. delete 0 meant to reply to op

[BootinUp]

24. thats funny and sad. n/t

[Imagine My Surprise]

34. Yeah, I would say Jason has some 'splainin to do, Lucy.

I'm guessing his credibility is shot to hell and back at this point.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

50. Credibility is earned.

And he never had any in the first place.

[OzarkDem]

60. Leopold may still be right

someone probably intervened on Rove's behalf and nixed it.

[grytpype]

62. Jeeze. Wake up.

You're joking, right?

[wordpix2]

63. "someone probably intervened"---yeah, like all of BushCo, Inc. & their

BigOil buddies with deep, deep pockets. :banghead: :cry:

[papau]

73. the "someone probably intervened on Rove's behalf" is also my belief

In the ruling class newbies like Lay can get flushed, but real power never is called to task -which is why the Bush's will never pay for their sins in this life.

[grytpype]

90. Uh, forgot about Libby?

[howmad1]

161. Libby? are you kidding?

Looks like Fitzs' case against Libby is going down the toilet as well. Wonder how much the payoff was?

[papau]

166. If Bush chooses to protect Libby, he is safe. Cheney does not have the

connections. It will be interesting to watch.

[papau]

163. Libby is neither from one of the billionaire families nor friends with such

a family. Unlike the Bush's, Libby is fair game.

When I entered the structured investment game in New York in 1997 I was amazed at how many "folks" could cut a $5 billion dollar check as a third party to a given deal. The money is all hidden - and I am sure even more money is hidden now. The checks were not corporate checks - indeed there were no checks and no trail - money just moved. "Families" have the money under the control of an individual - it truly was a different world from mine.

[enough already]

76. You have to be right

Maybe Bush told Fitz he was going to pardon Rove.

[havocmom]

99. Or Rove was squeezed by sealed paperwork til he squealed

Fitz's M.O.

[tblue37]

152. Exactly what I was thinking, actually. (eom)

[Lasher]

45. Jason sure has a poor sense of timing, ya think?

I'm glad I didn't weigh in on that one! But actually, if anyone guessed yesterday that Rove might have been secretly indicted, or might be in the near future, that doesn't mean they're stupid. This was apparently a close call on Fitzgerald's part, since it's taken him this long to decide not to go after Rove.

Jason Leopold threw out the story about Rove's indictment as fact, though, and he's bound to have credibility problems from here on because of that. According to Dr_eldritch's response 158 in that thread, Leopold has said that if his source turned out to be misleading, he would reveal their identity. It will be interesting to see what Leopold does now in that respect.

[Tin Man]

96. Some of those recs were earned by the *responses* to the OP

Within that particularly long thread, there is a sub-thread in which some excellent tag-team sleuthing work is hammered-out by several DUers (Marie26, Tom22, StopTheBleeding) that pretty well refuted the claims of Leopold in the OP. Look for that subthread in the posts centered around #189.

Excellent 'home-grown' investigative work that puts to shame the claims of Leopold in the OP - that's why I personally rec'd that thread, NOT for the story in the OP.

[lindisfarne]

14. Still ahead, however, is the trial of Vice President Dick Cheney's former

chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., on charges for perjury and obstruction of justice, and the prospect that Mr. Cheney could be called to testify in that case.

[Kolesar]

35. Will that happen before the November election? ... eom ...

[NewJeffCT]

48. No, I think it's scheduled for Jan of 2007?

I'm not sure, though.

[zanne]

79. You're right.

It's easy to forget, because it was just another scandal in a sea of them.

[texasleo]

15. just saw it

damn

[chiffon]

16. Whoa...What a way to start the day.

This is quite a development, but I'm going to hold out and wait until I learn more before I process this one.

[rodeodance]

17. I thought I was phychologically prepared for this, but I am not. What a

blow!

[lindisfarne]

19. Bodes well for Libby's "I don't know/I forgot/I don't remember" defense.

"Mr. Rove told the grand jury that he forgot the conversation with Mr. Cooper and volunteered it to Mr. Fitzgerald as soon as he recalled it, when his memory was jogged by the e-mail to Stephen J. Hadley, then deputy national security adviser, in which Mr. Rove referred to his discussion with Mr. Cooper." (from NY Times article; link in OP)

I must say, though, Fitzgerald is a class act. Compared to Ken Starr, especially. Fitzgerald seems to do everything properly, perfectly legally and in accordance with the spirit of the law, as should be in courts.
For example, see http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-CIA-Leak.html

[AussieDave]

20. Well, if Fitz doesn't have the evidence to sustain a trial

there's nothing he can do - the little shit-turd Rove walks.

Junior would have pardoned him anyway.

[hang a left]

103. Maybe he already did??? nt

[rodeodance]

21. the headlines now be about how Disappointed the Dems are. damm

[Bassic]

22. Was anyone expecting anything else?

The guy probably covered his ass as soon as the whole thing started.

[zanne]

58. So will we stop being so damned naive now?

When the Libby indictment came down, I was very disappointed and said so. I was practically blown off the website by people who said I was spreading "gloom and doom". (By the way, I don't see these people posting this morning).
We have to STOP LOOKING FOR A HERO! Nobody is willing to step up to the plate, and nobody is going to ride in on a white horse. WE'RE THE HEROES. And until we recognize that, get up off our asses and get involved and rescue this country ourselves, it ain't gonna happen. It's just not that simple. And PLEASE don't bore me with statements like "Well, maybe there are other plans".....
We have to stop guessing about what our "leaders" have in mind in an ultra-secret plan to save our asses. WE have to be the leaders.

[Bassic]

68. You're quite right

There will be no change unless the people make it happen. As Bush whips his base with homophobia, that should also serve to whip the progressive base to come out and get his clowns out of office.

[Strathos]

86. I think you're right

It would be nice for a D.C. official to step up, but apparently that's not gonna happen.

[emulatorloo]

94. I am not NAIVE enough to believe LUSKIN's HYPED UP SPIN

Why won't fitz office comment?

Read this firedoglake entry:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/13/dodging-cipa-graymail-bulletsand-other-legal-notes/

<snip>

First, the NYTimes article from David Johnston this morning. (And a hat tip to Holden for the heads up on the article.) If Luskin is coming out and saying publicly that they got a letter from Pat Fitzgerald which says that Rove will not be charged, there are two things that I want to see and know: (1) what does the letter actually say, word for word; and (2) does it say something along the lines of "Please thank Karl for his cooperation in this matter."

<snip>

Here’s what the {NYT} article does say:

In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, "On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove."

Well, that’s a bit of overhype, frankly. Rove was not the only person that Fitzgerald was looking at in the grand scheme of this investigation. And to spin this as the case being over is laziness on the part of David Johnston — and the media writ large, frankly — who have never dug into this case to realize that the players were larger than the Libby and Rove narrative frame that the corporate media types have conveniently used throughout the investigation. And that the be all and end all of the case was not the ultimate criminal charges, but the exposure of the smarmy underbelly of the Bush Administration and their standard MO of attacking, with a vengeance, anyone who dares to question them — even when those questions are not only appropriate but also expose them in a lie.

<snip>

[The Stranger]

132. Someone cue up some Tina Turner, "We don't need another hero . . ."

Now you're talkin'.

[nmliberal]

135. Amen

'nuff said.

[Freddie Stubbs]

290. Apperently Jason Leopold was expecting something else

[PCIntern]

23. Sissy doody crap...

@#$^%$#^%$.

That's all I have to say in the matter...

[Shrek]

25. How credible is this report?

So far it's only an assertion from Rove's lawyer.

Fitzgerald's spokesman refused to comment, so is there any reason to believe this report?

[grytpype]

26. Yeah, let's believe Jason Leopold.

[Shrek]

28. I didn't mention Leopold

So why bring it up?

I said that the only reports of "no indictment" have come from Rove's attorney, and that Fitzgerald's spokesman refused to comment. So why lend this report any credibility at this time?

[shadowknows69]

30. Because any attorney

Even Karl Rove's isn't going to make a public statement like that unless it's true.

[w13rd0]

43. LOLOLOLLO

yeah, because Rove nor anyone he works with would ever lie to manipulate public opinion...

:eyeroll:

[dogday]

46. Just ask David Westerfield's Attorney

they slammed the parents reputation, all the while knowing their client was guilty....

[shadowknows69]

157. A lot of defense attorneys know they have guilty clients

it's their job to discredit witnesses against their client. No matter how much you all want to keep dreaming. There is no indictment and never has been.

[dogday]

285. I am posting an example of Attorneys that lie

How do you get me dreaming from that? Check yourself please....

[Connie_Corleone]

27. Well, there goes my day.

:puke: :puke: :grr: :grr:

[DixieBlue]

31. Just heard this on the radio ... what a sucky way

to start a day.

Not what I wanted to hear this morning.

[Olney Blue]

32. GOP callers on CSPAN are spinning this as meaning that Valerie

was not really outed as a CIA agent. It will energize Rove to be even more cutthroat
and dishonest because he knows he can get away with it.

OK. This is the playing field now. We will have to fight harder. This incompetent,
corrupt Republican government cannot stand.

[grytpype]

54. They should read the Libby indictment.

Their glee is going to disappear when Libby's trial rolls around.

[devinsgram]

33. They must have found something on him (Fitzpatrick).

I know they say he spotless, but everybody has skeletons, of some sort in their closet.

[rodeodance]

114. seems he just did not have a case--not enough to indict anyway.

[knight_of_the_star]

291. Not yet

Rove has done a lot of dirty shit involved in this case, he isn't so good that he can hide all the bodies, there is something waiting to be uncovered and it will come up soon.

[The Doctor.]

174. They would have used it already. n/t

[marmar]

36. Perhaps there are bigger fish to fry?

As in a big, fat, evil one with heart problems!

:shrug:

[Totally Committed]

39. Nah... he'll wiggle out of that, too.

The man shot someone in the face, and the person he shot apologized, fercripessake!

The hell with Teflon, I want my next frypan to be lined with Republican! --- Nothing sticks to these people. Nothing.

TC

[w8liftinglady]

87. you should make a t-shirt with that on it...great!

[halobeam]

117. Thanks, from me too!!! I needed that laugh.

:toast:

[terip64]

64. You made me laugh through my tears. Thank you!

[SharonRB]

105. Exactly my hope about all of this

A lousy way to start the day, though.

[Totally Committed]

37. Well, if that doesn't suck out loud...

ten ways to Sunday!

I've been patient thinking these charges were coming down, and now -- N A D A .

F*CK.

TC

[HuffleClaw]

38. hmmmmmmm

pretty strange timing i've gotta say. and no comment from fitzgeralds people? not that it is really a big surprise rove managed to engineer an escape route. since when are people told (in writing no less) when they AREN'T going to be charged with a crime?

[WePurrsevere]

47. No comment from Fitzgerald's people surprised me a bit & makes me go "hmm"

as well.

Admittedly I'm not one of those folks that has gotten over excited about Rove being indicted one way or the other. Where politics are concerned I tend to be cautious and leary and take a "wait and see" attitude". Since something just doesn't feel right about this whole thing I think, for now, I think that I'll stay with that tact and watch how things play out (still hoping justice will prevail and all things will be revealed).

[blueraven95]

123. I agree

I just read the MSNBC article and, unless I missed something, they did not even mention attempting to talk to Fitzgerald's office. They are just reporting everything Rove's lawyer is saying as fact. Regardless of whether or not what the lawyer is saying is true...which it is impossible to ascertain without a confirmation or denial from Fitzgerald....it is poor journalism from MSNBC, and something I am sure that many people are going to miss.

In my opinion, reporting this story as fact without that confirmation from Fitzgerald's office (even the "no comment" apparently being reported in other stories is not good enough) is the equivalent, in the other direction, of what the Leopold story did. I feel that any people who have been quick to jump on him should be equally suspicious of this reporting. It is unsubstantiated, and therefore suspect.

on edit: I just checked out the Washington Post and the New York Times, and both are reporting that it is just Rove's lawyer saying this stuff, so at least some journalists are being more responsible about it all.

[redqueen]

146. Same here... didn't get my hopes up... doesn't really matter to me...

all that matters to me right now is MIDTERMS... this subhuman slimeball's indictment would only be icing on the cake.

[hootinholler]

51. Yes on the timing...

Makes that Sealed Vs Sealed even more interesting.

-Hoot

[Triana]

40. Didn't think he would, frankly...

...not that the little slimebag should not be charged, but I didn't think he would be.

Leopold indeed has some explaining to do.

[Prophet 451]

41. Godsdammit! n/t

[johnfunk]

42. Did Rove cut a deal? And is Fitz still probing Dick Cheney?

Naturally, if Rove cut a deal to testify, GFitz's people aren't going to say a thing...

Betcha this story isn't over by a LONG shot...

[wordpix2]

69. that's my 2nd reaction, too---first was to cry and bang head

:banghead: :cry:

[enough already]

81. Definitely not over

This could definitely be tied to a deal between Fitz and Rove to get Cheney.

[robcon]

219. It's over.

No indictment.

[dogday]

44. How come Fitz's spokesman would

not comment on whether this was true or not... That bothers me... Why not confirm it? They are supposed to clear people if in fact they are in the clear....

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. I thought 'no comment' from Fitzgerald was normal

His team is the tightest-lipped anyone can remember.

[dogday]

67. But if that is the case, what is the problem

with it? No comment is not enforcing what the attorney said....

[The Wizard]

49. The NY Times

also reported WMD in Iraq and the Clintons were major players in a failed real estate deal. Rove may have flipped on Cheney or another higher up and the no bill could be his reward for snitching. With Cheney out of the way Bush no longer has impeachment insurance.

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. I hate to say I told you so, but, I told you so

Some people owe me signature lines as a result of our bet. I will be coming around to collect today.

[seriousstan]

106. I recall that.

[RandomKoolzip]

136. I know.

The LAST thing I wanted was to have to say "I told you so." It gives me no pleasure to see Rove not do time.

But at the same time, *I* knew this would happen, and a lot of skeptics on DU knew this would happen, yet a great many of us refused to see the reality in front of their eyes, instead deciding to take a leap of faith based on the writings of some intoxicated hack.

Guys, WE HAVE to stop being so gullible. Charlie Brown HAS to stop running for Lucy's football and instead just tackle Lucy.

[The Doctor.]

171. Ok, so is this the end of the investigation?

Is Libby the only one to go down for cherges not directly related to the exposure of Plame?

Or is Cheney looking at more time before the GJ?

[Wetzelbill]

53. pretty much always thought that

I held out hope otherwise though. Leopold almost had me not too long ago. You know, if Fitz is letting him off then I'm sure he just couldn't find anything to nail him with. Rove got pretty lucky on this for sure.

[usregimechange]

55. But Cheney has just filled his britches.

[Llewlladdwr]

158. Y'all are just unbelievable....

Rove has not and will not ever be indicted. Cheney will never be indicted. He'll never appear in a witness stand either. The best the prosecutor could hope for is that he and Cheney's lawyers will work out a stipulation as to what Cheney's testimony would have been (re: Libby) and have that entered into the trial record.

Please stop the magic thinking. It doesn't help the cause.

[ChipsAhoy]

286. Reality

Thanks for posting it.

[Davis_X_Machina]

56. Rove flipped and gave up Cheney n/t

[Nickster]

57. My one question is, who the heck did he throw under the boss to avoid

getting indicted? Not for one minute do I believe Rover has clean hands in all this. All of his testifying, all of the time it took to say he wasn't going to be indicted......I think someone had his feet to the flame and broke. That scenario is the only one that adds up, he faced indictment and started turning over evidence about Scooter so that he could protect himself and the office of the President. I'm sure that little weasel has enough evidence against Cheney and Scooter to keep Fitz busy for awhile.

[DoYouEverWonder]

61. In other words, Rove is Cooperating with the Prosecution

and has bought himself more time.

Even if Rove is off the hook for the moment, doesn't mean no one else will be charged. Maybe Fitz is going after a bigger fish.

[underpants]

74. That's what I took from this and that is the M.O.

Nothing outweighs the importance of protecting Rove and W. Nothing.

Cheney? Actually he seems to be covered in this as well they let everything go past Dick and then it seems to dissolve and by implication Dick gets away scot free.

We will see. I do think that Rove spilled just like Novak clearly did-look they believe in the cause and all that but only to a point let's not get out of hand about this now.

[bdamomma]

75. I have my fingers crossed that this is not over

this just really rots. Rove is a snake, and a very arrogant one. Shit.

[enough already]

84. Rove is snake looking out for himself

He probably is selling out Cheney to save his fat ass.

[0007]

65. When is the scale of justice gonna work accordingly?

Or are we in a brilliantly executed stratagem?

[izzybeans]

70. I envision an Untouchables scene with the Capone of the story

killing the bookkeeper. Hopefully Rove the bookkeeper has squealed like the pig he is.

speaking of capone, It is very interesting, the similarities between him and Cheney in the structure of their businesses re: halliburton v. bootlegging.

[enough already]

71. This doesn't make sense

Is it possible that Rove was actually indicted on May 12 like truthout reported, but somehow Bush got involved to stop it? Maybe Bush told Fitz that he was going to pardon Rove so Fitz dropped it. Or maybe Rove has some dirt on Fitz so Fitz dropped it.

[WinkyDink]

72. Well, if this doesn't look like the beginning of the end---for justice.

Because Libby? Is small-fry, unknown-fry, who-cares fry.

[grytpype]

77. WaPo: Karl Rove Won't Be Charged in CIA Leak Case

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/13/AR2006061300267.html

"Speculation about Rove's fate has hung over the White House for months, fueled by repeated appearances by Rove before the Federal grand jury investigating the CIA leak.

One Website even reported without attribution that Fitzgerald had already obtained a secret indictment against Rove.

"Speculation about Rove's fate has hung over the White House for months, fueled by repeated appearances by Rove before the Federal grand jury investigating the CIA leak.

One Website even reported without attribution that Fitzgerald had already obtained a secret indictment against Rove."

[Snivi Yllom]

130. "1 website even reported without attribution that Fitzgerald had already"

hmmmmmm, who could that be?

[Jackpine Radical]

140. To tell you the TRUTH, I don't know who tried to OUT him.

[deutsey]

80. Ah, American justice

:evilfrown:

[Name removed]

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[Jacobin]

91. Bush Crime Family wins again

It must make you proud.

[myrna minx]

83. This really sucks. :-( n/t

[Joe Bacon]

85. Another example of IOKIYAR

What more evidence do you need to prove that Republicans are above the law? They can do ANYTHING and they get away with it!

[Name removed]

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[johnfunk]

93. Karl Rove owes Valerie Plame and the CIA an apology

'Nuff said.

[Delphinus]

107. And if he doesn't give it to the CIA,

I think the CIA ought to teach him some "lessons".

[EST]

118. The CIA, the NSA, the FBI, on and on

have been systematically and systemically stripped of personnel who are responsible to the country, replaced by stall whose first loyalties are to the BFEE and its conspirators. There will be no help from that quarter.

[DainBramaged]

116. Where did he say this? They have nothing to apologize for

[johnfunk]

92. Did Rove "dodge the bullet?" OR DID HE FLIP?

From Christy Hardin Smith at firedoglake:

First, the NYTimes article from David Johnston this morning. (And a hat tip to Holden for the heads up on the article.) If Luskin is coming out and saying publicly that they got a letter from Pat Fitzgerald which says that Rove will not be charged, there are two things that I want to see and know: (1) what does the letter actually say, word for word; and (2) does it say something along the lines of "Please thank Karl for his cooperation in this matter."

And there's more...

... to spin this as the case being over is laziness on the part of David Johnston — and the media writ large, frankly — who have never dug into this case to realize that the players were larger than the Libby and Rove narrative frame that the corporate media types have conveniently used throughout the investigation. And that the be all and end all of the case was not the ultimate criminal charges, but the exposure of the smarmy underbelly of the Bush Administration and their standard MO of attacking, with a vengeance, anyone who dares to question them — even when those questions are not only appropriate but also expose them in a lie.

Just go read the whole thing.

[Jim__]

95. That sucks!

we all know he lied tothe Grand Jury and investigators.

[JudgeSmails]

98. Rove

This is what it must feel like to get a 500 lb. bomb dropped on you. I was so hoping that Leopold was correct. Why, why, why!!! We need to get these bastards and soon.

[Strong Atheist]

108. Welcome to D.U.!

:toast:

[CoffeeCat]

223. Welcome to DU!

You want a Fresca, Danny?

:)

[SharonRB]

101. This was the news I woke up to this morning

Not a great way to start the day. Hubby came into the bathroom and said "Do you feel like you just got punched in the stomach?" I sure did. All that anticipation for nil. Well, maybe he's going after bigger fish -- if he gets Cheney all will be forgiven.

[seriousstan]

104. And truthout says?????

Even the most ardent apologist will find it hard to turn this into "business hours" or whatever other fanciful measure of time.

[Strong Atheist]

111. Well, the apologists are talking conspiracy theories

:eyes:

What a surprise, NOT!

Sealed vs. Sealed, Rove flipped, Fitz hasn't spoken yet, yadda, yadda, yadda. Anything that would exonerate/excuse Liepold.

[The Doctor.]

195. Yeah...

It's not like T.O. has been an invaluable resource to the Democratic cause or anything. :sarcasm:

So you are disillusioned because he might have screwed up. I would be curious to know if one can be under a sealed indictment and still squeak out of it with some cooperation grease... I don't know. There's a lot of wishful thinking right now and it's too early to say whether it's misplaced or not, BUT...

If you can show me that Leopold has a record of misinformation, I'll share your derision.

OTHERWISE

All this pitchfork and torch waving is totally idiotic.

[Strong Atheist]

207. From everything I gather about him, Liepold's M.O. is to lie and make

s*** up, by his own admission in various places, including the BOOK he was promoting coincidentally enough around about when he wrote this piece.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18624-2005Mar8.html

BTW, I said nothing about truthout. I think they were conned by Liepold.

[The Doctor.]

210. Well then, let's see where this goes....

and then see if Leopold reveals the sources.

[Strong Atheist]

215. As I asked elsewhere:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1414079&mesg_id=1414381

[Marie26]

154. Truthout STILL stands by the story

Incredibly.

Truthout Stands By Indictment Reports (TPM) - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1415042

[EST]

109. ?!

Shock!
Disbelief!
discouragment...
despair...
depression...
Disgust.
Dammit!
Acceptance.
Anger!
Consideration...
Correction.
Commitment!

[Strong Atheist]

113. Lol! That was a quick bereavement! Like your ending, there. nt.

[carenaetg]

121. With this out... what will the day look like?

This is going to be one ugly day. I think I will stay home and read a book... BLEAH.

[cry baby]

204. Welcome to DU, carenaetg!

[EST]

122. One cannot think clearly while dwelling on tragedy.

We need all the clear thinking we can find, right now.
I'm getting off it as fast as I can. This evil empire has to be destroyed; Ameryca and the world depend on it.
The wishful tool that was just removed from the board reveals the vile rotten ness is even deeper and nastier than we had hoped.

[antonialee839]

119. One can only hope

that Scooter will crawl out from the wreckage of the bus he was thrown under to finger
Rove once his trial begins.

[Pryderi]

120. Just saves B*sh from pardoning him *shrug*. Let's go canvassing for '06

now.

[halobeam]

124. Best suggestion of this thread so far!!!!

FOCUS ON 2006 !!!

[Snivi Yllom]

125. Paging Jason leopold, Truthout, and Will Pitt, shit sandwich in aisle 4

Take a big bite.

[calimary]

160. God, this is why I love DU. I'm actually chuckling over this comment

and on a very bleak morning, at that.

Shit.

I'm one of many here who was ready to go out and buy a big bottle of champagne. Glad I didn't - yet anyway.

I'm also one of those who was sure rove would be indicted but would escape the worst of it because of a timely pardon from a good friend in a high place.

I had high hopes for Jason Leopold, too. I know what it's like to stick your neck out on a developing story. I've had friends who were in that situation, too, at other news outlets. I had a friend one time who was the first (and for a short while, only) reporter to report that when John Belushi died, there was a white powdery substance found at the scene. He told me later how lonely it was to be out there on a limb by himself - until it was finally confirmed. I'm sure Jason Leopold probably feels more than just lonely today.

True, too, this is Luskin talking. And he's said stuff before that didn't pan out. But who knows at this point?

Sometimes I wonder if - while the bad guys won't face justice in this life, maybe they won't in the next one, either.

What I REALLY hate about this is how this will somehow be turned around by the snide, smug scarboroughs of the world as proof, somehow, that THEY're on the side of the Light and we aren't. That this only proves they were right all along and that they're the good guys and that the fact that they get away with stuff simply means they're correct and that God is somehow on their side, blessing all that they do. Here's the proof, 'eh?

Kind of an empty feeling, I'll tell ya.

But it must be a lot worse to be Jason Leopold and Marc Ash at the moment...

Shitty way to start a day.

Thank you, DU, for being my companion on a day like this. Misery does indeed love company.

But that doesn't mean we should stop visualizing...

[femrap]

267. I have been so wanting to get my bottle of

champagne....a step up from Cook's...something a bit more expensive. Then I had planned on baking a beautiful yellow cake (uranium) with chocolate icing. FUCK!

What a shit day. First I hear this about rove on 'Democracy Now!' then end up spending a day listening to a bunch of asshole bible-thumpers giving testimony on HB 228 which would criminalize abortion in all cases including rape and incest...and to top it off....a jail sentence of up to 15 years for anyone who helped a woman go to another state to get an abortion.

WTF has happened to this country...I am constantly feeling as if I live in some nightmare....but no amount of pinching helps me awake.

All I hope is that rove gets another case of kidney stones....stones the size of my fist! GRRRRR.

[Stand and Fight]

126. No one should be surprised at this outcome.

That Karl Rove is a slippery one, and Luskin is very much the same. Furthermore, don't be surprised if there are more twists and turns to this story. As always, I watch and I wait... We learn in small amounts, but we learn nonetheless.

[RareLubbockDem]

127. Were we hanging out hat on this?

I mean really, we expected an indictment but what difference does it make? Rove is just one player in this horrible game they've been playing with out country. An important player, yes, but only one. His indictment wouldn't bring back fallen soldiers, it wouldn't reverse damage done to the environment, it wouldn't have funded crucial social programs, etc.
I guess my point is, so he wasn't indicted. Who cares. We have to not lose hope. We have to take our country back.

[Onlooker]

128. Many of the blogs did a great disservice on this one

Not only did they get our hopes up, but they turned this into almost a competition, where the right wing now gets gloating privileges.

[Catherine Vincent]

131. Oh crap!

:-(

[lumberingbear]

134. Now that Rove has got off maybe.....

Libby will get mad and start ratting out Bushco, et al.

[Kajsa]

137. I Can't Stand It!!

The Bush Administration gets away with everything.

What a friggin wake-up call !

I wasn't prepared for this, either.

Right now Virginia, there is no Santa Claus.:mad:

:shrug: :mad: :shrug: :mad:

[femrap]

268. Not only is there NO Santa....

but someone left a piece of radioactive uranium in our stocking....

I thought for sure Fitz had the goods on Rove. I feel so....oh hell, what are those 5 emotional steps?

[Stockholm]

138. Great news for the White House and the President!

- White House staffer not indicted.

That says something about the state of affairs for GOP and their President.

[Qutzupalotl]

214. Now THAT is a good point!

:thumbsup:

[DirtyDawg]

139. Look on the bright side...

...odds are rove cut a deal - and maybe he did throw cheney under the bus, which would be great - but the thing that worries me about getting rid of these vermin, either before this year's election, or the '08 one, is that crap that these guys have been doing for the past five-plus years will be pushed into the background...that voters will think that all is well and they can go on as business as usual. I don't want a single one of them out of the spotlight. I want for everybody to have to be reminded every damn day that we've got a bunch of evil sonsabitches in power and the only way to cleanse ourselves is to throw the lot of 'em out. Allowing them to throw a couple to the wolves every now and then just keeps the wolves at bay...we need to attack and eviscerate the turds...leave nothing to even bury - oh, maybe something for the vultures, but not any really big pieces.

[oldtime dfl_er]

142. Well said

and thanks for saying it, because I'm way too depressed to bother.

please sign our guestbook: www.ThankYouRFK.com

[Union Label]

141. That is so fucking wrong

[TriMetFan]

143. Libby will starting singing now

that he knows that Rove has dumped that whole thing on him and that Rove gets to walk.

[saigon68]

151. They are scum all of them

[bluestateguy]

144. Just a good ole' boys.....

And I wonder what excuses that hack Jason Leopold will have this time.

[JudyM]

145. Sen Schumer on CNN now calling on Fitz to submit a full detailed report.

He emphasized that Fitz' decision does not end the issue of who leaked Plame's name, and someone still will be held responsible, one way or another.

[wordpix2]

265. Oh, yeah, go Schumer!

[stepnw1f]

147. Let's See the Letter Then, Luskin (nt)

[amb123]

148. The Teflon Don of Politics

I swear Karl Rove is the Teflon Don of Politics. Nothing sticks to him.

[NJCher]

197. Hmmm

Karl Rove is the Teflon Don of Politics. Nothing sticks to him.

Can we take this analogy a little farther?

When Teflon is heated, it puts off toxic fumes that kill any birds in the room. Canaries come to mind.




Cher

[tblue37]

149. Rove is Bush's man.

Maybe he was willing to give up Cheney. I could see Fitzgerald letting the little fish go to catch the big fish.

[WinkyDink]

190. I don't think Rove would give up Bush OR Cheney. EVER.

I wouldn't want to play poker with that pig, I'll tell ya.

[Laurab]

150. Do lawyers normally make statements saying

their client will NOT be charged? Something just seems really fishy here. I believe there was intervention - probably from the top, and the only good thing that could come out of this is if he threw ShooterCheney under the bus.

Wouldn't the prosecutor be the one to make a statement? I don't believe the lawyer is lying, nor do I believe Jason Leopold was lying. I think something happened, and it probably wasn't real legal, or else Rove sang like a canary. It's doubtful that * told Fitzgerald he'd pardon Rove, I think he would have indicted him still, and let people know he'd been indicted, and was pardoned.

Who knows with these criminals? I just know something isn't quite right about this.

[onenote]

153. when its been reported that you client was indicted a month earlier

you sure as hell would make the statement Ruskin made if, in fact, you had received word from the prosecutor that your client was not being charged...

[Heywood J]

155. Would it be wrong and evil of me

to consider hoping that the same fate befalls Rove as did his mentor? I mean, it's not something I normally like to wish on people. I just hope that he reaches the same conclusion, that what he spent his life doing led him nowhere and that he apologizes.

(For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater)

[femrap]

269. I want rove's kidney stones to return...

I said it earlier...but didn't know if you would see it. I want big, very big stones.

[electron_blue]

159. I'm beginning to think *NOTHING* important will come out of Fitz's investi

Question is - is that just manipulation, too?

[mighty]

162. get away with murder

This is precisely why I didn't get excited when Jason Leopold reported he will be indicted. I didn't want be let down like so many times previously when the administration seems to get away with murder. However I still have to admit to being saddened. I am sad because I know this country is suffering because of things Karl Rove has done. I know we will continue to suffer because of the criminal acts he has committed and there will be no justice. I don't know what to do about it. I feel powerless and its a depressing feeling.

[NYC]

277. It is depressing.

Welcome to DU. The case isn't closed yet. There's still hope for some justice.

[Gregorian]

164. Fitzgerald, you're no Kenneth Starr!

We'll see. Now we have to wait to see what happened. It's hard to believe the mastermind just walks free. But I honestly don't think we live in a country of Kissingers. Even if indicted and found guilty, these guys walk. It's not like they were caught smoking a joint or anything.

Let's just hope the judicial system is working. I fear the spying may have allowed them a back door exit.

[LiberalHeart]

165. Speaking of Truthout, did anyone else get spammed by them?

I got an email from them promoting their site but I never gave them my email address. Same thing happened to someone else I know. I asked them for an explanation (it's an email address I work hard to keep spam-free, and it had been for years till now) but they didn't repond.

I'm sorry to see today's news mostly because it has to be a big disappointment for the Wilsons.

[Divernan]

187. Why don't you PM Pitt and ask him to check that out for you?

No one has defended the integrity of Truthout more than him, so I'm sure he'll WANT to make sure nothing untoward is going on with how TO obtains addys.

[LiberalHeart]

263. I don't know how to PM, but I did use their email contact link to ask

Never heard back.

[Mugsy]

167. It was expected. Rove received "authorization". Not the target.

It would have been almost impossible to convict Rove of anything, so this comes as no great surprise to me.

Rove didn't have access to any "list of covert CIA agents" to have leaked this on his own. He *had* to of received the info on Plame's identity from a higher source... Bush or Cheney, and Cheney was the one haunting CIA headquarters for weeks (months?) before the invasion of Iraq, pressuring them to come up with the results he wanted.

If Rove received any classified information and was then told to leak it on orders from a superior, he didn't commit a crime, even if he knew what he was doing might be illegal, on the assumption that the person ordering him to desseminate the infomation had the legal right to do so.

I would have been thrilled to hear Rove was to be charged... but *very* surprised... with every expectation that he'd beat the rap. I'm surprised it took *this* long to announce he would not be prosecuted.

Remember, Libby is not being prosecuted for leaking, he's being prosecuted for lying about what he knew and obstruction of justice (trying to impeed the investigation). Rove was probably smart enough to not fall into the same trap by admitting everything and just claiming he had the legal right to do what he did, authorized by a superior.

This is actually good news because it frees Fitz up to concentrate on the true violators, the people (read: Cheney and *maybe* Bush) that knowingly leaked protected classified information specificly for political purposes.

[The Doctor.]

169. I agree that Rove had a chance of beating it...

We know that someone trashed BJ&A and the administration has no fall-guys left.

Rove would have had to give up something big, or Fitz has been 'dissuaded' from following through altogether.

It damn well better be the former or we're in some very deep shit.

[ramapo]

170. You are very optimistic

I agree that it was no surprise, from a legal standpoint, that Rove is not being charged. Never mind that the Republicans have a stunningly tight hold on all facets of power in Washington.

I would truly be shocked if the investigation targets Cheney, much less Bush. We might see a couple underlings sacrificied. That's it though.

[ast_liberal2008]

238. you're missing the point

Yes, what Rove (Bush) and Libby (Cheney) did was wrong, but it is almost impossible to prove, so Fitzgerald was focusing on nailing them for doing their other skill: lying. He was looking at perjury and maybe even obstruction charges for Rove. From media accounts of testimony, he had a case that could be considered moderately strong, but Rove just went with the "memory loss" excuse.

Anyway, I think that this whole frenzy is unwarranted. All of this media attention is based completely on Luskin's statement, and he has been known to lie.
It's more likely that this was a temporary alleviation of pressure on Bush until it's revealed that Rove will testify in court against Libby, or maybe against Bush/Cheney (If there is justice).

[The Doctor.]

168. WTF is wrong with these people?!?!?!!!

They trash our CIA assets and get away with it...
They tell the CIA to 'produce' intelligence they want rather than quality intelligence. The CIA will start to conform more and more for being under threat by their own government of exposure and destruction. We will get less quality intelligence and make worse and worse decisions based on it...

I'm rambling incoherently because I AM LIVID.

They are destroying this country and will not be held accountable...

We're fucked.

We should get the hell out before the curtain slams shut.

[Nashyra]

178. Not trying to bury my head

but go back and re read the statement. It does not say that Rove has been CLEARED of any wrong doing, it says that they do not ANTICIPATE any charges being filed. Big difference and maybe that is why there is no comment from Fitzgerald.

On another note we are all so disappointed when these assholes walk away because we are still thinking that this adminstration will be treated like the Clinton administration. Not So.

Go to work for a campaign, go volunteer, get in on a phone bank, wear Proud Democrat bumper stickers on your car. Be visible as a Democrat.

[The Doctor.]

196. LOL... yeah,

That was my first, most visceral, response...

Just had to get it out, y'know?

Thanks.

[rocktivity]

172. A deal was struck--Fitz got SOMETHING in return

Something worth giving up on Rove for. Stay tuned.

:headbang:
rocknation

[shadowknows69]

175. That is what I'm hoping

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see him go after Cheney himself. Either that or he's been bought/threatened into uselessness.

[sakabatou]

177. One, two, three...

Fuck!

[sueh]

179. I am sick, sick, sick...

the only thing that will make me feel better is if Fitz indicts Cheney.

[LiberalHeart]

180. Can a sitting VP be indicted?

[wordpix2]

212. he can be impeached according to Article II, Sec. 4 of Constitution:

The United States Constitution states in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." :headbang:

[PegDAC]

239. If Clinton could be indicted as a sitting President,

why would a sitting VP be immune?

[Oak2004]

242. As I recall, yes, he can be indicted

Cheney is not head of state, and as such has the same status that, say, a congressman has-- i.e., is criminally indictable. Only sitting heads of state (in the U.S., the president) have immunity from prosecution while in office.

[wordpix2]

243. he can be "removed from Office on...conviction of Treason, Bribery, or

other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

I would say manipulating the intel to lie to Congress and America about a war that never should have been waged and has been grossly mishandled would qualify. Also, his secret energy deals with BigOil and other hush hush biz with major corporations, taking our national lands and selling them or leasing them for a song would likewise qualify.

Goodbye, Cheney, you are history and when you're impeached there will be no good words for you unless you immediately change your destructive, stupid and many would say evil ways. I cannot wait until you are gone. Let it be well before 2008.
:kick: :wow: :kick: :wow: :kick: :wow:

[d_r]

181. fooled again

I don't post often, but I've read this thread.

I can't help thinking back to the whole Rather-documents thing. We all know that Bush skipped out in Vietnam and got special treatment as a rich kid. But they question one document, and the press jumps all over it. That one document was never even proven as a forgery, and there was a lot more than one document. But the average Joe on the street hears about Bush skipping out on Vietnam, and he thinks "Oh that was all faked. That was a forged document." And they got away with that. Hide the truth behind a little lie.

So here we have at least Scooter Libby being indicted for this, and the whole "culture of corruption" thing. Say "they" knew that Rove was going to end up not being indicted. What better thing to do than to purposefully leak to "liberal media" that he would be indicted. Now the press can hammer on how it was all made up. Every time there is a "culture of corruption" kind of thing, and even Libby's trial, the average Joe on the street can think "Oh, the liberals on the internet just made this stuff up to make them look bad, it is just a bunch of politics and one is as bad as the other" and they get away with it. There sure does seem to be a lot of PR stuff going on all at once.

Or maybe Rove did "flip" on Cheney. Who knows how it will play out.

[Skarbrowe]

217. Fooled again. Yep. That sounds 100percent Rovian. nt

[femrap]

270. I have thought about Leopold being

'played' by rove...makes a lot of sense. Average Joe can now say that the blogs LIE...they want to tear down our government, etc. Very fucking clever.

Also, wasn't there a big Immigration thing going on around the time of Leopold's article and everyone looked away at what rove was doing with that?

Karma will kick into gear soon....karl will have some more kidney stones....big ones.

[jumping2]

184. I'm rather pissed at Truthout.Org for getting my hopes up. :(

[Ratty]

188. I hope we all eat a nice tasty helping of CROW

I didn't know who Will Pitt was or Truthout, or Jason or any of that stuff. I was disappointed to see the whole Rove Indicted headline plastered on the DU homepage and always on the Breaking News page, reported as if it were fact, and then remain there for days. No effort to amend to the headline to anything less certain. And it just stayed there. And I didn't care a thing for any flaming or screaming or fighting in the Forums--hell, they're FORUMS folks, people say shit. But I'd hoped DU's trend toward more quality on its homepage and Latest Breaking News would continue, especially after all the maniacly optimistic headlines and news before the 2004 elections which, frankly, left me far more disappointed than I would have normally been on the morning after elections. I'm no pessimist but rabid, blind, intolerant optimism really bugs the shit out of me. So my beef was with DU in all this, not Truthout, whom I never even knew existed before. So I stopped coming here for awhile and even today I usually only stop by to read Auntie Pinko and the Top 10s.

Since I have no prior history with this Mr. Will Pitt or Jason or Truthout, I can say with the sincerest honesty that god I hope you guys turn out to be right after all. Conspiracies, lying reporters, national security, coverups, I don't care why. I just hope you can someday soon step out of hiding, take a big deep bow, give us all a great big finger and shriek at the top of your lungs "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" I hope you revel in the knowledge that so many people who doubted you and ridiculed you will be shamed. Me included. There is a time to be mature about victories, but this will not be one them. If you turn out to be right in the end, give yourselves a little treat I say, and fucking gloat so hard you break something. Do you have a little dance prepared? I think you should practice one, just in case. Something with lots and lots of middle fingers and pointing butts. If your day ever comes, rub it in guys like there's no tomorrow. You will have deserved it.

[jumping2]

194. You are so right. My thoughts exactly, especially about the front pg. n/t

[Imperialism Inc.]

198. What are you talking about?

There were other articles on the home page that called the story in to question. The stories made the front page as they should have and should do again should a similar situation arise. The headlines are , by rule, to match the headline in the posted article. Do you think maybe you should not make stuff up out of thin air? Or possibly have some tiny bit of a clue about the rules for posting articles? Hmmm? Don't ya think so?

[Ratty]

202. If them's the rules

And they are unbreakable and infallible in all circumstances, then I guess I have even more of a problem with DU's homepage. I'd kind of expected there might be just a *tiny* bit of editorial control available there, but if it's really that rigid and inflexible I guess I was expecting too much from DU.

[mike923]

206. Headlines win elections

Whether there is any truth to the subsequent article is irrelevant.

Preception is reality, and therefore if you shout loud enough, you will hopefully convince enough of the small undecided minority to your side to win elections. Which is what this case/investigation was all about.

[whalerider55]

191. as fer my two cents...

I think that sealed v. sealed is actually U.S. v Cheney.
I think Rove AND Libby are giving up old sure-shot faster than than the truth disappears in a white house press release; i think they sang like coal mine canaries- Rove to get off, and Libby to get the plea bargain at the last minute.

As much as I would like to see Rove skewered,there is plenty of ammo on the record to bankrupt the little rabbit turd in the civil lawsuit that Plame's attorney alluded to; republicans may be willing to donate money to tom delay to preserve access, but the way rove rode roughshod over the house pugs, he won't raise a nickel to protect the home and hearth of his pit. and i don't think the pres can pardon a person convicted of civil damages.

Cheney is sealed; and he better stock up on pacemaker batteries. I hear prison medical facilities have been cut by the feds.

Besides, he has already been identified as a liability by the pugs in the house, senate, governorships and the country. Testifying five times in front of the grand jury, with an indictment handed down after his last aria? If i was rove, i wouldn't be taking air force 2 on any jaunts.

whalerider55

[robbedvoter]

192. Reminds me of a twisted scene in a good TV show:

Lawyer stand up and bars Angel's way: "I'm with Wolfram&Hart. (hands him a business card) Mr. Winters has never been accused and shall never be convicted of any crime ever"

Of course, being fiction, Mr Winters was sent throuh a window and burst into flames minutes after. Reality is never THAT good, only THAT bad.

[memory]

193. This HURTS too much!!

I am trying to keep my hopes up here that this once great Country is not lost to us and our children. But right now it truly feels that Evil is going to continue to prevail.
:cry:

[Tabnoom]

201. Good news....

Good news....only about 900 days until the 2008 Presidential Elections!

[Tiggeroshii]

199. Interesting

They said it "effectively ended the 3 year long investigation."

...did it really?

[noel adamson]

200. Just disgusting.

Criminal bastards enabled by spineless pseudo "Democrats". Where are all the JFKs, RFKs and Paul Wellstones? Oh, right...

[byronius]

203. How do you find?

Guilty, your honor. Guilty as charged.

Treason. Conspiracy. Aiding and abetting the enemies of the United States of America.

Our infection. Our malady. Sorely in need of Redress.

It's like the early nineteen hundreds all over again. But with cheese.

[Rex]

209. So that's it?

Rove must have been granted immunity for his testimony. Either that or we are all fucked, because that means no one is answerable to the People. Sad days ahead.

[wordpix2]

211. H2OMan, where are you? We need you to weigh in!

[XNGH]

213. Payola

So who was paid off / threatened to get this criminal off ?

[progressivebydesign]

218. But tomorrow Rove will still be an ugly, mean, tortured, asshole.

So he's already gotten his punishment. He lives it daily by being a boil on the ass of democracy. That's where I find satisfaction, knowing that he's a miserable fuckhead... if he wasn't, he'd never be so conniving and vile.

[wordpix2]

244. Did anyone see Tweety tonight interviewing TrentLott re: Plameleak?

Tweety reminded Trent that Bush said he would fire anyone involved in Plameleak from his maladministration. Tweety asked Trent why Rove wouldn't be fired for this, since it's documented that he leaked twice, once to Matt Cooper. (Sorry, I forget who the other recipient of Plame info was). Tweety was saying, if Karl Rove leaked twice against federal law, why is Bush keeping Rove? Does Rove have to be indicted to get fired because * isn't making a move, like he said he would.

Lott's answer: Karl now has a job in "politics," not "policy." Lott also said something about Rove being ruthless and that he (Lott)doesn't like being ruthless, himself. :wow:

Lott, since you don't like being ruthless, why don't you come clean about your BigOil-BushCo-destroy the coastal environment connections? :grr:

On a higher note, Tweety was actually asking some Hardball questions of Trent Lott. Thank you, Chris, for actually playing Hardball. :toast: :loveya:

[newspeak]

221. so, what is justice?

For those who remember the Iran-Contra, BCCI deal, those who were indicted were pardoned by the one who allegedly was in on it. Tell me about justice? Those who wheel and deal, put drugs on our streets and then arrest those citizens who take their drugs, it is so obscene. Money laundering, financing drugs and terrorism, and yet, the American people, in their innocence, still believe that there is no immorality, no corruption. Again, it is not only Valerie Plame who was outed, it was Brewster Jennings. So, who are the real Americans, the real patriots? It is nothing but business to some, business and power. They could give a shite about you and me or this country. When they look at this country, they see money to be made by raping and pillaging our natural resources, selling us out to the highest bidder and it makes no difference if their dealing with China or Saudia Arabia. The word TREASON does not resound to some, but what do you call it when a network is outed, a network tracking WMDs, to keep our country safer. What do you call it when certain individuals go against Congress (those critters who are supposed to represent us), and secretly, blatantly promote death squads, give aid to our enemies (Iran) and endanger American citizens by allowing drugs to flow in our urban areas while making a bundle off of a prison system to hold those who they addicted. I'm an idealist, I admit--I actually believe in truth, justice, honesty--it is part of me, who I am. But, my eyes are wide open and I know that there are those who blatantly disregard those same ideals that I believe in. My eyes were open when the truth about the Iran-Contra deal, Danny Casolero called it the "octopus" because it had so many corrupt tentacles. At least some form of balance would be something today--time, truth and hope are our allies, then maybe, just maybe justice will be served.

[Divine Discontent]

226. part of me believes in truth & justice still on this earth

but since everyone else is putting their opinions out on Rove getting off (and I liked your post newspeak), I'm going to say where does this not make eveyrone watching the bushco. fiascos play out, not believe there is a DEVIL or SATAN or EVIL, whatever you want to call him? God said that satan had dominion of this earth for God's purpose, and this just reinstates my belief that there is EVIL in our world, and that the only way to cope is to put faith in God.

I've done enough clamoring for justice in our courts, and on the streets, and in my workplace and church to know - people are relatively naive creatures that suck up kool aid made by anyone that waves a Jesus fish at their face, because most people's naivety has them hoping for honesty from anyone who says they love God, and just like the televangelists who are buddy-buddy with this administration, the church leaders of the Earth are being played, as are most of their followers. These crooks are responsible for thousands of dead soldiers, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and possibly 9/11 for all we know, and they get to enjoy their billions, or trillions of dollars made off our taxes that are spent on this "WAR".

So, don't be looking for justice to come out while we're on this earth. The pigs will mostly never be caught, they'll live in the lap of luxury every single day and scoff at us who work for honesty's sake in whatever belief system we espouse. The false leaders don't believe ANY of the virtues that Christ taught about taking care of the poor, the earth and not stealing and killing. I'm just glad I'm not THEM.

That's my two cents - and oh, yeah, I'll never believe another word truthout.org says, even if they have video evidence!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[newspeak]

236. I don't want to get off topic, but I'd like to respond

everyone has the capacity for doing evil things. To me, a Lucifer is like the Native American coyote, who teaches us lessons by drawing us into situations where one must choose to do the right thing (or wrong). It teaches us about ourselves, our vanity, our envy, our jealousy, our greed. Those who don't recognize their dark side, and we all have dark sides, can do heinous acts. For in their minds they believe they are righteous, because they do not recognize their own darkness. They justify their actions as if what they are doing is for some higher good, yet, they become the monsters that they abhor. Their conscience only responds to that which they believe is good for themselves or for their small group-those who are outside that sphere are insignificant or useful tools for their own schemes. Authoritarian power corrupts, it especially corrupts those who don't recognize that with power comes great responsibility. Humanity shall destroy humanity with their own ignorance--there is no need for a Satan. And, do I believe that Leopold intentionally deceived us? NO. I believe he was given information that he believed was solid and he was assured of the truth of it. I will not slam TO or Leopold, as I will not slam Dan Rather.

[Divine Discontent]

251. nice response!

I am part Cherokee. Sadly, there are too many people who would say, "when you say the capacity to do evil things, what is your opinion of what is evil and what isn't? some would say killing a cow to eat it is evil, some would say defending yourself from someone trying to steal your money and shooting them isn't evil, some would say it is"...

for me, every one chooses to have their own blueprint of what's right & wrong, I don't like that concept, for myself, my faith has taught me restraint from violence where as my neighbors would rip a motorist's head off for hitting their bikes with their car if they were drunk one night, and I might have been that way many years back. I've changed because of my beliefs and have never been in a better state even with bad things happening all around me.

I think a far majority of those in power are after it for just that - power. they don't care how they get it, how much they lie, and are thrilled by their riches they attain once they're there and don't want to give it up, even if that means lying or killing.

scary world we live in. thank you for your excellent point of view, take care...

[femrap]

272. I'm glad I'm not them either....good post. nt

[Divine Discontent]

279. femrap

thank you! that means a lot to me. and this isn't the first time I've seen you on this site, and you've been nothing but a cool gal! I was so worried I was going to get yelled at again, lol.

hope to see you around the site

I'm in FL maybe if you're nearby we can rally together for progressive causes.. ;)

good night...

[femrap]

280. Thx for the compliment....I had no idea

I was cool.

Sorry if I hollered in the past...bark is loud....bite is soft.

Hey, if I'm in FL, I will definitely look you up (it will be in the winter...your state is soooo hot and egads! the bugs!)...FL and OH...the 2 states that are in the spotlight, right?

When are you coming to Ohio? We desperately need help with absentee voting starting the beginning of October.

sleep tight....and don't let those big bed bugs bite!

[Divine Discontent]

282. LOL

bed bugs... exactly. this state is full of em and every kind of imaginable thing to bite you, driving me loopy! hehe

and not you yelling at me, I meant other people for saying I believe in God, I've been assaulted verbally everytime but now for saying that.

I'm from Ohio!! :) I would love to picket the SOB Blackwell wherever he went. I just came down in April to FL. I might be back, if I do, I will mail you.

I really respect you working to try and save this democracy from the evil people that would defy the will of the people, you are to be commended. BIG TIME!

well, back to the bugs... LOL it's horrible, I want Ohio back! haha...

[femrap]

271. good post...

oh for the days of Watergate....when even Senators were still naive.

[confludemocrat]

224. Uh, excuse me, but why hasn't Fitzg. made a statement other than "n. c."?

he has held press conferences before, talking indictments and if he has not had one of late it means nothing either way

[newspeak]

225. well, I'll believe it

if it's confirmed by Fitzgerald---to me, it's just blather and spin. If indictment doesn't happen, then a deal was struck, I'm sure. What deal? Who knows--we may never know.

[Pacifist Patriot]

228. I'm going to be sick. Off to go stick my head back in the sand.

Today, I saw a minivan full of kids plastered with W stickers and Harris for Senate stickers. It was all I could do to keep from screaming. Why does that women hate her children so much?

[1620rock]

234. The legal system is as corrupt as the criminals in power...

..we are lost and there is no hope or help on the horizon.

[seafan]

231. Compelling analysis at Firedoglake:

Christy Hardin Smith at Firedoglake has an interesting take on Rove's attorney's announcement today that his client will not be indicted...

What exactly does the phrase "doesn’t anticipate bringing charges" mean? Otis has some thoughts:

The language used by Luskin strongly suggests that Rove got immunity in exchange for his cooperation (it is probably the same deal I have been suggesting was offered to Novak way back when. . . )Otherwise he never would have testified in the Grand Jury to begin with.

“Does not anticipate seeking charges” means that if Rove testifies at Libby’s trial as expected, and as his agreement no doubt provides for him to testify, (lawyers call it providing “ongoing cooperation”), then all will be well for him. But if he “goes sideways” on Fitz and testifies differently from what is now expected, he could be charged–w/perjury certainly, and his deal to avoid criminal liability in the larger conspiracy could be “off” as he could face charges in that as well.

All told, a very standard deal and not unexpected. The more interesting issue and the reason for optimism now is that he couldn’t have gotten such a deal without having something important to offer Fitz. The “no prosecution” letter pretty much guarantees that he that he made a good deal. Either he offered up Cheney himself, or he offered up Libby to guarantee a conviction so Fitz can roll up Libby to Cheney. Either way, for me, I see Cheney going down and that’s something I can live with!

I have to say that immunity in exchange for cooperation is certainly something that has crossed my mind after the unusual multiple testimonial appearances before the grand jury that Rove made. And I have to wonder what that does mean, if so. And when we’ll find out.

This is much harder on the outside looking in, even though it’s much less work in terms of juggling evidence and the grand jury secrecy issues versus the public’s right to know questions that I head to deal with when I was prosecuting cases.

Bottom line for me: it’s not over until Fitzgerald says it is over.

This is a cogent analysis, and one that is quite credible in light of how this is unfolding, IMHO. We are in good hands with Patrick Fitzgerald. It's difficult to be out of the loop on what is happening, but we must be patient.

Rove didn't appear on five occasions before the grand jury for milk and cookies. It makes sense that in order to avoid indictment, he is now compelled to give up mighty important information in exchange.

If he stops cooperating, all guarantees of "no indictment" disappear.

Until we know more, let's press ahead on everything else. Full frontal.

[wordpix2]

246. WOW, this is as I had hoped for, even better. Suggested reading post #231

:wow: :toast:

[Pacifist Patriot]

249. I could live with that.

[femrap]

273. Me, too. I guess.

Except I still want rove with the kidney stones. That would be fair.

[okieinpain]

281. I was going to post that most on this board are funny, first you love

fitz, then you hate fitz. but I bet you would suck fitz toes if he indicted the vp just before the november elections......

[Pacifist Patriot]

284. I don't get into the fray, but...

I'd suck more than that if he indicted Cheney at any time. ;)

I'll own up to being disappointed that Rove wasn't indicted, but I don't know squat about the law so I'm more than willing to sit back and watch this play out. I have to have some faith in justice, karma, whatever or I'll go crazy.

[okieinpain]

288. same here. I'm serious about politics, but you do have to step

back some or else you will go crazy..

[CabalPowered]

232. "effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation..."

If that was the case, wouldn't Fitz be calling a press conference? I'm not sure, just asking. Seems like conjecture to me.

[wordpix2]

253. ending it? LOL, the Libby trial is coming up & Rover will be subpoenaed

And then he will be caught at Libby's trial trying to protect BushCo's ass but he already has 5 trips to the GJ under oath for the record. RoverBushCo. got a turdblossom this week but knowing this gang, they will be back in the muck again tomorrow.

[Veronica.Franco]

235. Kerry spokesman rips into 'porcine' Rove

Kerry spokesman rips into 'porcine' Rove

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday June 13, 2006


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A spokesman for Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has launched an unusually personal attack on presidential adviser Karl Rove, RAW STORY has learned.

The move comes one day after Rove called plans to exit Iraq proposed by Senator Kerry and Representative John Murtha (D-PA) "profoundly wrong" "cut and run" strategies. "They may be with you for the first few bullets," Rove said, "but they won't be there for the last tough battles."

Both Kerry and Murtha are decorated service veterans.

"The closest Karl Rove ever came to combat," said Kerry spokesman David Wade, "was these last months spent worrying his cellmates might rough him up in prison. This porcine political operative can't cut and run from the truth any longer."

Wade continued: "When it came to Iraq, this Administration chose to cut and run from sound intelligence and good diplomacy, cut and run from the best military advice, cut and run from their responsibility to give our troops body armor, and in November Americans will cut and run from this Republican Congress."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Kerry_spokesman_rips_into_porcine_Rove_0613.html

[Beth in VT]

237. I love it - turn the talking point on them. n/t

[wordpix2]

254. Sen. Kerry, pls. keep David Wade on your staff. He has a way with words

Wade continued: "When it came to Iraq, this Administration chose to cut and run from sound intelligence and good diplomacy, cut and run from the best military advice, cut and run from their responsibility to give our troops body armor, and in November Americans will cut and run from this Republican Congress."

:headbang: :loveya:

[JudyM]

293. Great phrasing: the repugs can't 'cut and run' from the truth any more nt

[demgrrrll]

245. Ain't nobody gonna save us but us. Time to get up and fight.

Hit him where it hurts. Take back The House and the Senate. Rove never gave a sh#t about this, I think he always knew no matter what he would find a way to skate. I'll tell you what I think he does care about and that is subpoena power and control of Congress. We need to stop waiting to be saved by some knight in shining armor and save our own damn selves. Nothing against Fitz, he is a fine and honorable man for whom I have the utmost respect.

[wordpix2]

256. you're right, that's why it's "of, by and for the people." I was glad to

read Kerry's aide's comment above. Seems like there's some fight in those old Dems yet.

We have to take this gov. back. Right now we need to help our Dem progressive candidates win in '06 or run for office ourselves.

[agincourt]

252. This always smelled like a phoney investigation to me,

Maybe some wanted to get Rove, but the GOPigs have the system too rigged for there to be justice. God we need streets of fire and how.

[Jed Dilligan]

257. Yeah, I'm surprised how many were ready

to make a hero of a prosecutor and expect justice in a court of law. I would like to know what country they are living in and if I can move there...

[wordpix2]

259. Have you read the Firedoglake article at post #231? It will raise your

spirits. :grouphug:

[LibertyorDeath]

266. F U C K ! ! ! !

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK:mad:
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Fitz better be going after that lying piece of shit Cheney
F U C K !!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Patsy Stone]

274. NYT 6/14: No Rove Charges Over Testimony on C.I.A. Leak

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/washington/14leak.html?hp&ex=1150257600&en=99280a6365028303&ei=5094&partner=homepage

By DAVID JOHNSTON and JIM RUTENBERG
Published: June 14, 2006

WASHINGTON, June 13 — The decision by a special prosecutor not to bring charges against Karl Rove in the C.I.A. leak case followed months of intense behind-the-scenes maneuvering between the prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, and Mr. Rove's lawyer, lawyers in the case said.

The move, made public early Tuesday by Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, brought a surprise ending to the investigation of Mr. Rove, President Bush's senior adviser. At one point last fall, Mr. Rove seemed close to facing perjury charges over lapses in his early testimony about a conversation with a Time magazine reporter.

<snip>

Associates said Mr. Rove seemed to loosen up in recent weeks, apparently as he and his lawyer had grown more confident that no indictment would come, and even as liberal bloggers and other commentators had predicted an imminent indictment, most recently in May, based on a report on Truthout.org.

Truthout has stood by that report, which said Mr. Rove was under a secret indictment. In a posting Tuesday it suggested that Mr. Rove was cooperating with the prosecution, which, it noted, had not commented publicly on Mr. Rove's legal status.

<snip>

[peacetalksforall]

275. Truthout in the NYT, but not Matthews and Shuster (MSNBC).

I find it interesting that the NYT would reference Truthout. Did they mention Truthout last May?

I found it amazing that Matthews on or about May 12 or 13 referenced an imminent indictment of Rove. As did Shuster. Did they take their information from Truthout? I wouldn't think so.

If your were an MSNBC News Director, would you take your source from Truthout or Wilson who said he had heard the same?

In either case, the internet underground has arrived.

And the truth of it all is that Truthout cannot yet be accused of having made a mistake about there being a sealed indictment.

Here's the quote again from the NYT:

“…and even as liberal bloggers and other commentators had predicted an imminent indictment, most recently in May, based on a report on Truthout.org.
Truthout has stood by that report, which said Mr. Rove was under a secret indictment. In a posting Tuesday it suggested that Mr. Rove was cooperating with the prosecution, which, it noted, had not commented publicly on Mr. Rove's legal status.”

[Patsy Stone]

276. This article is the only mention of truthout

I found when searching the NYT web site.

[savemefromdumbya]

278. Rove is a cooperating little devil now. IS it Armitage?

Richard Armitage could resurface as one of the leakers?

[3rdPartyVoter]

283. Justice is served, I guess

It was a weak case to begin with.

I'm just upset that we wasted so much money and all we get is Scooter misremembering what he told to who on which day years before.

[plasticsundance]

287. Fitzgerald is bogged down with Obstruction of Justice

That's why Libby is going to trial. Seems the logical step to me in his investigation. The investigation into Iran/Contra started in 1986, but the report wasn't published until 1993. What do you want Fitzgerald to do in an environment where the Republican controlled Congress doesn't hold the Executive Office accountable, and even condones its misdeeds?

Yesterday wasn't a good day for Bush or Rove. It was a day for the US-State-controlled-corporate-media to spew the propaganda that it was a good day for Bush and Rove. There are footsteps everywhere they go. They can either crawl back into the woodwork, or further expose themselves through their desperate grab for power. You're not going to change the fact that Rove likes the smell of his shit, so don't sweat it. And Captain America won't save us, but we still have to fight. Sometimes the best way to fight is to hold the thing you despise in contempt and indefatigably ridicule it.

This Administration will cause further damage, but everything has a price. There is karma, and there is no free lunch. Many people will be furthered hurt, but hey, reality bites. But don't let the US-State-controlled-media take the sting out of the fight, because that's all they're trying to do. It is all they have left.

[newspeak]

292. Justice is not served!!!!

Do you know how many millions of dollars of wasted taxpayer's money they spent investigating Clinton's dick? Hours and hours of BS media coverage--you know, that liberal media that fell in line for the witch hunt!!!! People imprisoned by the prosecution, forcing them to tell lies--just lie and we'll let you go. Now we have an administration that is literally screwing us--outing a CIA network for vengeance or something else? It's not just Plame--I mean after all, they really, really want to keep us safe, that's why Brewster Jennings had to be outed--lying us into an immoral war--they have WMD's, they can reach us within twenty minutes, oh no, it's really they back Al Quaeda, they're responsible for 9/11; no, it's really because Saddam is an evil man, he kills his people; no, really it's we love those Iraqis and we want to sacrifice our soldiers to bring them the kind of freedom and democracy we have. Certain corporations that have more access to the ear of the WH than we the people. Corporations that get sweet deals from the government, our government; our tax paying money--going bye-bye, while our infrastructure suffers. Now you really want to talk about partisanship? A neo-con administration who hires their buddies (that they owe favors); a Congress, the majority a bunch of zealot neo-cons; a Supreme Court that's supposed to analyze the Constitution with reason instead of their own Opus Dei zealot beliefs and partisanship and a justice system that has been ousting or forcing out anyone who does not go along with this administration. Now, you tell me about justice? Justice has not been served.

[DisgustedTX]

294. YES!

Beautiful.