Abu Musab al-Zarqawi DEAD (per ABC breaking news)

[Lenore]

Dead in a bombing in Iraq.... turn on ABC...

Additional information: Information lead to a bombing raid on a building that held al Zarqawi, speculations also that the bombing killed Zarquawi's 'spiritual leader'...

Fox (cable) News now confirms, reports that the Iraqi Prime Minister has confirmed and that there should be a live briefing from the Green Zone shortly.

MSNBC (cable) News also confirms...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. again!!?

that guy sure gets around. :crazy:

[CottonBear]

...on one leg... n/t

[file83]

4. He was dead on March 4, now he's dead again?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

Is this guy a cat?

[zonmoy]

69. no

i suspect like bin laden he is more of an emmanual goldstein.

[Zhade]

140. Our very own Abu Musab al-Goldstein!

So, how many deaths is it NOW?

[Kni7es]

167. How many deaths?

I wouldn't suppose this is why we have such conflicting casualty reports... because if senior members of al quida are being killed off more than once, well, yeah...

[elgati]

204. Guess which Zarqawi was killed and win a trip 2 sunny Guantanamo Bay Cuba!

I don't know about you guys but I specially liked the WWF Zarqawi.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/ms_gins/source/home/home.aspx?pg=1

[Kikosexy2]

285. darn that ...

Pooty-Tat...he's got 8 more lives to go...

[AngryAmish]

230. Maybe he is a robot?

[Ecumenist]

93. Evidently, he's a member of the Dracula set.

[bananas]

67. "Interesting article from YESTERDAY: Zarqawi Scheduled for Martyrdom"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1379209&mesg_id=1379209

[bklyncowgirl]

118. Interesting indeed--if true that would mean Al Quada ratted him out

A little message from some of Bin Laden's operatives to U.S. Intelligence giving the address and time he was expected for dinner, perhaps?

[Javaman]

212. He'll be wearing a red sash...

But don't be put off by it, he's a bit flamboyant, hence the problems with al queda.

Also, he will be escorted by a tall blond woman named Inga, once again, don't be fooled, that is actually our inside man abdul, he is a master of disguise.

Zarqawi will be dining on roasted quail smothered in a chestnut sauce, but the highlight of the night will be the creme brulee' . Pay attention, it's actually plastic explosive. It will be covered in a a caramelized brown sugar. His first bite, will be his last. Ending everything he has done to us in a blinding flash of sweet revenge.

But don't forget, it's 5 bucks for valet parking.

[Roland99]

133. Very curious. I wonder how this plays into neocon plans to attack Iran?

[Marie26]

210. Interesting

'Given that Zarqawi has become a loose cannon and that his actions are handicapping Al Qaeda's efforts, it seems reasonable to expect that an accident may befall him at some point in the near future.' Pretty good prediction.

[Ecumenist]

92. Tell me about it, I'm a christian but this guy has been resurrected

more times than Jesus Christ.

[adigal]

148. How sad - you know my reaction??

I laughed out loud and said the same thing you did, "AGAIN???"

How sad that we cannot trust our government to be honest with us in matters of war and death. The boy who cried wolf is not believed in my house.

[elgati]

179. I want to see the head

and it needs to be identifiable too, not in crappy 1970's
video...lol
(assuming he even exists) 

[PaDem]

218. Bush vindicated!!!!!

Everything he's done over the past 6 years can now be forgiven and forgotten. He will go down in History as the man who rid the world of the elusive yet lethal Al Zarqawi. All the freedom hating Americans on DU need to now fall over each other trying to praise Mr. Bush like the Dems did when Saddam was captured. Of course in the process we'll dutifully ignore the fact that Al Zarqawi and King George have much in common. I suspect they both loathe gays and wide ranging personal liberties. Both have an infatuation with violence and torture and both believe that they are in acting in accordance with God's will.

Oh great day!!

[CottonBear]

2. Bernie Ward just announced this as per ABC news.

Z has only one leg and has already died or escaped so many times...
Nah. I don't believe the story.

[Pachamama]

66. I don't buy it either....

Wonder if they had to cut off the leg of the "Zarqawi" for authenticity purposes? :eyes:

Convenient too that this would happen now....guess we should just all forget about that Haditha mess, the fact that we are approaching 2,500 dead and the fact that our economy is in big trouble.

:hi: again Cottonbear!

[bluestateguy]

3. The little boy cried wolf

Sorry. Don't buy it.

[genieroze]

5. Huh, isn't he dead already?

[Kutjara]

6. Don't worry, he's not dead.

In a few months, Shrub will wake up in his bed, go into his bathroom, open the shower door and there al-Zarqawi will be. It will all have been a dream.

[quaoar]

7. It's true. Zarqawi is dead

The FBI tore down a barn in Michigan, dug a huge hole and found Zarqawi's body right next to Jimmy Hoffa's.

[az chela]

12. Hey now that made me laugh out loud!!!

[EFerrari]

24. Next to a bunch of odd socks and earring backs.

:rofl:

[Ecumenist]

94. LOL!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[slaveplanet]

8. Yep , they're pulling out all the stops this time

ABC has a highly detailed special report going.

breaking late night...They've been blaming him for every ill for the past 15 minutes.

Oil rigs , hotels, The UN compound , Nick Berg (ABC says he actually killed Berg himself).

This guy was a regular one man super army.

Such BS.

The boogey man

Goldstein is finally dead? right

[marshall]

267. That was a gruesome video

I remember the video, and the voice that was identified as Zarqawi. Berg looked truly surprised when they started sawing his head off with what looked like a dull butcher knife.

[Scairp]

9. He's only dead on ABC

In the the rest of the cable and network news world he's just fine, alive to be killed again at a later date.

[still_one]

17. this might really be true

I certainly hope so

[ShortnFiery]

28. PsssT! This guy is a "PsyOps" creation. Absurd one at that! ;)

[still_one]

31. whatever he is, if true I am glad he is gone

this has nothing to do with the civil war we caused their, and has nothing to do with the insurgency, but it is also a good thing

[ShortnFiery]

38. Gawd! Please, no disrespect - but this is only "a tool" that is used by

the BushBotBorg to pick-up morale. It sort of equates to 1984 Announcements that our "chocolate rations" will be upped for the next month.

Translation: He's a fictitious character. ;)


Too funny. One each, phony persona, al-Zarqawi functions (for us Peasant Classes) like the Wile E. Coyote of Islamic Terrorists. When the bombs fell, was he holding up a itty bitty umbrella? :P No worries though ---> you can bet that within the next year he'll be resurrected and firing another A.C.M.E. machine gun.

Bullshit! Until they pull out remnants of his tiny umbrella, I AIN'T BUYING IT. :thumbsdown:

[still_one]

41. You are entitled to your opinion

but I doubt that we will see any more tapes or recordings from him

As far as your assertion that this is only a tool, it will be very short lived

Arab and western sources are all reporting

Yes, the * administration will try to use this as justification for their illegal war, but the any momentum he will get from it will not last more than a week

In fact, the financial markets were crashing, recovered slightly, and now are heading down again. They realize that one frickn terrorist has nothing to do with the problems we have created in Iraq

[ShortnFiery]

48. It's almost an "open joke" among the military and

civilians who know how PsyOps operate, and the History, that Zarqowi is merely a "Pentagon creation."

And oh, don't we need some good news now? It's so predictable I could write the OP Orders. :eyes:

It's all bullshit LIES paraded around for PR exploitation. :puke:

We almost need wings to rise above it. :(

[TheWatcher]

50. I find it disturbing that people STILL fall for this crap.

[ShortnFiery]

53. I just find it SAD.

It's hell, but with us USA peasants NOT having a true loyal opposition party to the Republican stranglehold, I'm working locally to care for my friends and family. Hopefully we can keep the homeless off of the streets most of this upcoming winter.

Other than the above, I see little hope other than voting most of THESE WORTHLESS CRONIES (most politicians) OUT as soon as possible.

[still_one]

75. I find it disturbing that people cannot distinguish when something

is real. In fact, NO DEMOCRAT in congress will say that Zarqawi does not exist. So I cannot understand why people who do NOT believe that would still remain democrats?

long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.

In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide
The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council.

“Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn’t do it,” said Michael O’Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution.
Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe.
The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq.

“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

[Karmakaze]

142. Both stories turned out to be bullshit.

"After" the war, they sent in the WMD people to that "lab" at Kima. Know what they found? Nothing. A broken down abandoned village that and not been used for YEARS. There was NO LAB - it was just a fiction used to create fear while propelling the American public towards war.

[treestar]

192. It's all the distraction in the news media and that average people

can not keep it all straight. Anew I see the value of the DU, because of smart people who catch this sort of thing.

The Dems in Congress would be immediately attacked by Faux News and Limpball as crazy. Most of middle America would go along with it.

Maybe there is a bright side. We would go by grass roots instead of by leadership. Some sort of upwelling - granted no freeper is going to believe it but maybe with the internet there is a way to reach middle America.

The internet really rocks when it comes to this stuff. You can just see the military industrial complex shaking in their boots. They no longer control the flow of information the way they used to.

[mallard]

338. Re: It's not just the mainstay military industrial complex...

involved in these events. The timing of this neighborhood blow-out is perfect for 'relatiation' during the World Cup.

Al Qaeda will have their echo thus engrained.

The world needs a reminder.

[wizdum]

174. I couldn't agree more with your psyops assessment of the situation...

...I never believed in this pat story of AL Qaeda in Iraq. It set off my bullshit meter right from the get go. This won't help Bush as much as Rove would like. It is just a desperate stunt in an attempt to prop up Bush's poll numbers and boost the popularity his failed war by feigning the killing of one of the psyop program's main character. But by next week they'll have thought up another one to take his place.

This is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. And what better way to shut down the story of Bush's bisexuality that were picking up a "head" of steam? I'm sure Jeff Gannon is thrilled about this latest development.

[Stand and Fight]

243. Say what?

Bush's bisexuality? You want to expand on that, wizdum?

[wizdum]

301. Check out this link for all the salacious details...

http://bushssecretlifein84.tripod.com/

[Stand and Fight]

311. Nothing new there.

I've seen it before. I thought it had finally broken into the MSM. I read that page about a year ago if I recall correctly. Thanks for the link though, as I've been searching for it for some time.

[TheWatcher]

49. I find your belief in the Boogeyman disturbing.

You're entitled to it, though.

Perhaps if I suspend my disbelief enough, this breaking story will help me feel that the entire War and suffering through this Administration was worth it.

Just so we could celebrate the "death" of a phantom Vapor-Terrorist.

So when do we invade Iran, and who is their phantom we are supposed to hate?

When do they issue the next chocolate rations report?

[still_one]

55. I will tell you why I believe he is real

He was a problem, and known about long before we invaded IRAQ. In fact, the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger, but refused to do it. He was too busy wanting to attack and occupy Iraq

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

If you believe he is a boogeyman, then the Democrats created him also

[TheWatcher]

61. This is like what, the 7th, 8th time he's been killed?

I simply can't keep up.

If it makes you feel better to believe in a tool this administation has used time and again, then by all means, knock yourself out.

Wow a link from MSNBC. This is better than the word of GOD.

A link from MSNBC means about as much as a link from the old Soviet Pravda these days.

Please, America, WAKE UP.

[still_one]

71. First of all I am NOT a tool of these jerks

did you read the link?

It was not a complement of *, but an indictment of his incompentence

My argument is more against those who saw Zarqawi never existed. If you believe that, then you should not trust the democrats either, because there is NOT ONE DEMOCRAT IN CONGRESS who doesn't believe Zarqawi exists.

[TheWatcher]

78. I never said you WERE a tool of these jerks

But you are falling for a PROPAGANDA tool they have used time and again.

There is a difference.

[still_one]

83. I do agree with you that they will try to use it as propaganda

but it will not work. Zarqawi was a fringe group of al queada, and definitely NOT responsible for the bulk of the insurgency and civil war now occurring in Iraq. Any gains that they hope to receive will be short-lived when reality strikes home

[pinniped]

80. Sorry, most also believed *'s lies about Sadaam's non-existant WMDs.

They don't have a very good track record.

[still_one]

84. no question about that

[treestar]

They have to believe in him

Given the votes they have made before.

They also want to be reelected so don't want to come off as looking like they have tinfoil hats on.

Let's face it, it is easy for the MSM to make it look like that even though it's probably true. The average American needs to believe in the government. That is how the CIA gets away with so much bullshit.

[1monster]

298. And hasn't he been captured a two or three times too? Wasn't he

the one they captured and put pictures out of him in a western style white teeshirt looking like a three day binge hangover victim?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

263. Riverbend doesn't believe he exists...

from her April Fools day post...

10. "Guess what?! They caught Zarqawi!!!" (This will only work on Iraqis who actually think he exists.)
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

[aquart]

276. But if he IS real and dead, what difference does it make?

Is the insurgency dead? Will different, uniformed factions of the Iraqi government stop pulling people off the streets and out of their houses and leaving them dead somewhere (according to riverbend?

BushCo believes in the cult of personality...cut off the head and the body falls dead. But the insurgency is a civilian response to an invasion by a foreign power. There will always be another head. Why? Because the macho man who finally gets rid of the Americans WINS.

[SOS]

278. No difference

Agree with your assesment. With all the swirling reports about this guy over the past couple of years, it's hard to know what to believe.
But the militias will keep fighting, AQ in Iraq will appoint a leader, insurgents will continue their bombings, etc.
Nothing changes, even if Bush wishes it to be so in his fantasy world.

If anything, this news will simply fan the flames of the hell that is Iraq today.

[eridani]

65. And who says that the ones we have seen are real?

[treestar]

203. That's it, he has doubles!

Saddam does it, why can't this guy?

I wonder how many Osamas there are and why * hasn't started killing them yet.

[Jazzgirl]

119. ShortnFiery, you are right!

I woke up at 3:30 this morning and CNN was "breaking" the news that Zarqawi was dead. They trotted these films out of this guy who is supposed to be him. He looks nothing like the earlier pictures of Zarqawi and he weights some 30 pounds more too. In all the films they've been showing recently (remember the one where he was called incompetent because he couldn't fire the weapon?) his face is the only one showing. I found it funny they were spending so much time on this Pentagon propoganda for a man that is supposed to have been dead for, what, at least 4 years??!!?? They are unbelievable with their propoganda.

[ShortnFiery]

154. Remember ole' Porter Goss chased out all of the senior

intelligence operations officers from the CIA. I surmise that The Pentagon Spook wannabes were pumped up and arrogant enough to believe that they could handle this PsyOPS job without those elitists at Foggy Bottom.

They insult OUR (The Populace) intelligence with their Piss Poor Propaganda efforts. Why? Because they are NOT true intelligence professionals - just Political Hack Operatives ... and it shows!

I'm embarrassed for my country. :blush:

[Henny Penny]

137. I always get the A-Team music coming on

when his name is mentioned.

:evilgrin:

[truthisfreedom]

23. he's officially dead on NBC right now too.

[BigBearJohn]

30. MSNBC IS REPORTING IT TOO

[bluestateguy]

33. Oh that gives it instant credibility

The question here is, where is Fox News?

[magellan]

10. Let's hope the building they bombed was the Acme Cloning Co.

...and that they got all the twos and threes too.

[bluestateguy]

11. Even Fox News isn't picking this up

And you know that Fox would be multiple orgasming over this if it were true.

ABC News may find itself about to have a Jason Leopold moment.

[norml]

13. If so then Mabus died on 6/6/06.

That figures.

[Kni7es]

170. Hopefully it means he's rotting in hell.

[rooboy]

14. I knew that old age would catch up with him one day. n/t

[Polemicist]

15. He Blew up, Sir....

Reminds me of the movie Stripes.

This might be true. It's the "number three" Al Qaeda guy who keeps dying repeatedly. Al Zarqawi kept turning down promotions to #3, in order to stay alive. Perhaps he finally took the job.

[malmapus]

268. Being number 3 guy is about like wearing a red shirt on Star Trek (eom)

..

[still_one]

16. I just heard it also on ABC

ABC sounds very sure of the report

There are reports that Iraqi PM Al-Maliki to make `very important announcement` in Baghdad (Reuters)

It could be true, I certainly hope so

[pinniped]

18. This means absolutely nothing because he has proven time and time....

again he is capable of coming back to this planet at will.

[K8-EEE]

19. yaaaHOO! We Finally Kilt Us A Terr'rist!

It only took killin' anuther 100,000 or so other folks and a billion dollars but we DID it. Mission accomplished! No more terr'rism now boy howdee...

USA! USA!

[EFerrari]

32. They had to kill him. They couldn't ban gay people.

They had to do SOMETHING.

[TheWatcher]

54. *DING! DONG!* THE PHANTOM IS DEAD!

The War Was Worth it!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! USA! USA! USA!

Meanwhile, in the reality based world, the lies, the death, the destruction, the unabated crimes, and the spiraling into hell and fascism for our nation, and the senseless deaths of innocent Iraqi's continues, without end.

But hey, Goldstien's Dead.

AGAIN.

[EFerrari]

64. It's unspeakably cruel to do this to military families who must

keep hoping that THIS TIME it means something real for them.

For that alone, I hope Rumsfeld burns in hell or some equivalent for eternity.

[Pachamama]

73. Not to mention the fact that it does nothing to change the situation in

Iraq. I was just watching the "wall-to-wall" coverage on the Cable networks, and they are acting like its all over now, we can all sleep well, the bogeyman is dead, the situation in Iraq will finally become peaceful and all is well....

Sadly, for a few days, this will be the only thing talked about and meanwhile we will hit the 2,500th death of US troops and will anyone be paying attention? :cry:

[TheWatcher]

81. Until we stop falling for their Propaganda this will NEVER end

It always seems just as things are finally starting to fall apart, they pull out another carrot and all the sheep in the meadow yell HUZZAH! and go back to grazing.

Rinse. Repeat. HUZZAH!

Rinse Repeat, etc, etc, etc.....

What is it going to take?

[Pachamama]

102. You ask the very same questions that I ask myself everyday...

What is it going to take to wake people up?

I swear today I was in such a funk...I look at the election that took place in CA for example, in particular the run-off/primary seat in the 50th District for the Dukester's congressional seat. If more registered Dems had gone out to vote, we could have won it. If the DNC spent even half as much as the RNC or sent out staffers and foot soldiers, we could have won it. I am just so tired of it all and keep wondering what is it going to take?

When this news about Zarqawi came on, I just shook my head and like you said "Lather, Rinse, Repeat Huzzah!"

Imagine - more people voted for American Idol than in our elections....more people know and research info on the American Idol candidates than they do on political candidates or issues...And yes, there will be a bunch of sheeple in America tommorrow morning who when they wake up from their blissful sleep after watching a bunch of reality shows, they will hear about the Bogeyman Terrorist Zarqawi being dead and they will suddenly think the world is safer and everything is okay....

It's so disgusting and depressing....I want my country back..... :cry:

[TheWatcher]

74. I know sfxpat, I know.

This is absolutely shameless.

But they do not give a tinker's damn about military families, or the soldiers.

They are merely a means to an end.

And even if this doesn't turn out to be shameless Orwellian Oatmeal for the herd, even if they did finally manage to off a real person who may have allegedly in some made-up fiction novel, POSSIBLY really have been everything they said he was......

How is this worth all that has happened?

Someone please explain that to me.

after all, their business partner, um, I mean Bin Laden, is still at large.

But we just don't spend too much time on him.

[Roland99]

130. Bingo! Guess this distracts from * canceling that Senate briefing, too.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

20. MSNBC now reporting

al-Zarqawi dead again

[DoveTurnedHawk]

21. I Hope Hope Hope This Is True

Of course, we could have taken him out prior to invasion, but that would have been inconvenient for the warmongers. I wonder how many media outlets will report that?

DTH

[Elwood P Dowd]

22. False alarm! All they found was a cache of artificial limbs

and a pair of lips.

[pinniped]

25. THis is fucking stupid.

NBC breaks into live programming to spew this BS.

How the fuck do they know for sure?

Did the bomb blow one leg off a victim and it's automatically assumed that's the al-Zarqawi guy that doesn't exist?

Dude's got more lives than jason vorhees.

[EFerrari]

26. It's like El Brazo Onofre in The Milagro Bean Field War

Every time a young lady came home without her undies, it was El Brazo's fault.

We have a clear case of Al-Zarqawi's Leg here.

[ShortnFiery]

27. Oh Please!?! Cut the Bullshit.

This guy dies and is seemingly raised from the dead far too often.

Give it up Jack! :puke:

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

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[JackDragna]

34. Oh, yay.

I'm sure this will stop attacks in Iraq..just like killing Hussein's sons did. Wait just a minute.

[Scurrilous]

35. Link:

Iraqi PM: al-Qaida's al-Zarqawi killed

<snip>

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaida-linked militant who led a bloody campaign of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings in Iraq, has been killed in a U.S. air raid north of Baghdad, Iraq's prime minister said Thursday.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said al-Zarqawi was killed Wednesday evening along with seven aides.

The Jordanian-born militant, who was believed to have personally beheaded at least two American hostages, became Iraq's most wanted militant, as notorious as Osama bin Laden, to whom he swore allegiance in 2004. The United States had put a $25 million bounty on al-Zarqawi, the same as bin Laden.

In the past year, he moved his campaign beyond Iraq's borders, claiming to have carried out a Nov. 9, 2005, triple suicide bombing against hotels in Amman, Jordan, that killed 60 people, as well as other attacks in Jordan and even a rocket attack from Lebanon into northern Israel."


more

Edited to reflect changing story.

[maddezmom]

36. The PM is live on BBC now making the announcement

[pinniped]

44. See, the fact remains they don't know shit. All is pure speculation.

The Jordanian-born militant, who was believed

I, for one, will always believe al-Zarqawi is a made up boogeyman.

[Scurrilous]

47. Terror leader al-Zarqawi dead, Iraqi officials say

<snip>

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most wanted insurgent in Iraq, is dead, according to an aide to Iraq's prime minister.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was expected to make a public announcement of the death, the details of which are unclear.

Two Pentagon officials told CNN that the government is awaiting al-Maliki's announcement in Baghdad before commenting on the report officially.

One official says the Pentagon is not sure of how the death was confirmed and that there might need to be "additional forensics" done before they can be fully confident the terrorist leader is dead.

Officials could provide no further details at this time."

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/

[Rageneau]

37. Good. Now kill him again.

And again.

[Eugene]

39. Reuters/WaPo: Iraq PM says Zarqawi killed: TV

Iraq PM says Zarqawi killed: TV

By Mariam Karouny
Reuters
Thursday, June 8, 2006; 3:38 AM

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced on Thursday
that al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had been killed, state
television reported.

In Washington, ABC News reported that a U.S. air attack on a Baghdad house
has killed Zarqawi. "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed in Baghdad during
a bombing raid," ABC said.

A Pentagon press officer could not immediately confirm the report.

<snip>

The important news was going to be that the Iraqi government had finally
agreed on key security ministers. That was the original headline on the link
to this story.

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/AR2006060800086.html

I'll believe it when I see the proof.

[EFerrari]

40. The proof is right next to the WMD.

Do we even know if this guy ever existed?

And if he did, who is he and how would we know?

And even if he is who they say he is, so what?

We'll have 200 threads on this while BushCo keeps stealing us blind, pissing off the world and rigging the next election. Meanwhile, if there is an al Qaida, they'll be laughing their asses off and picking a new guy to hold the key bunch. What changes -- besides a new rallying cry for all those new guys we've enraged?

I have to up my SOMA dose for a few days.

[TheWatcher]

42. Ahhhh, the latest attempt to rally the Stock Market

Well, they had to try SOMETHING.

Maybe Bin Laden is vacationing in Crawford and wasn't available.

Or maybe they are saving him for the Election and Christmas Rally.

Strangely enough, their ploy doesn't seem to be working......

http://money.cnn.com/data/premarket/

Maybe everyone is waiting for their marching orders from Brit Hume again.

America The Scared. America The Uninformed, America The Easily Fooled.

3 1/2 Years, 2500 Dead US Soldier's, 100,000 Dead Iraqi Civilians, countless lies, a bankrupt Treasury, and a burgeoning Police State.

But hey, the Queers can't Marry, and we dun gone and shot us up Emanuel al-Zarqawi-Stien.

For the 25th Time.

Yes, it's time to celebrate.....

:eyes:

[RebelOne]

82. Well, I hope it does rally the stock market.

My 401K and IRA plans are suffering.

[TheWatcher]

85. Yes, maybe it will Rally the Stock Market

Meanwhile our soldiers will keep dying,as well as innocent Iraqi's.

But hey, Stocks will be up!

You can't really be serious about that statement.

Most of us are suffering economically, and I know it is hard.

But please, let's not start thinking like this.

[RebelOne]

104. Thinking like what?

That I am glad that maybe he is dead and it will help the stock market?

[TheWatcher]

120. Self Delete

Christ, this just isn't even worth responding too.

Grape or Cherry?

[darkism]

43. Front page on AlJazeera in Arabic and English...

Hmmm...

http://aljazeera.net
http://english.aljazeera.net

What EVER will they do without a boogeyman?

[Pachamama]

77. Hmmm...maybe now they can go looking for Bin Laden?

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

95. Notice that Al jazeera is only reporting OUR REPORT?

This freakish guy will probably rise again. :puke:

[muriel_volestrangler]

123. I'm not sure if Al Jazeera is allowed into official press conferences

in Iraq. From Wikipedia:

On August 7, 2004, the Iraqi Allawi government shut down the Iraq office of Al Jazeera, claiming that it was responsible for presenting a negative image of Iraq, and charging the network with fueling anti-Coalition hostilities. Al Jazeera vowed to continue its reporting from inside Iraq. News photographs showed United States and Iraqi military personnel working together to close the office.<30> Initially closed by a one-month ban, the shutdown was extended indefinitely in September 2004, and the offices sealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

So they may have to get the reports on Iraqi government press conferences from agency reports.

[qanda]

45. Color me surprised

I thought for sure he would have died on Monday, in time for a Primary election boost.

[Up2Late]

46. Looks like it's still unconfirmed! Here's what Reuters has so far.

Iraq PM says Zarqawi killed: TV

Thu Jun 8, 2006 03:38 AM ET

By Mariam Karouny

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced on Thursday that al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had been killed, state television reported.

In Washington, ABC News reported that a U.S. air attack on a Baghdad house has killed Zarqawi. "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed in Baghdad during a bombing raid," ABC said.

A Pentagon press officer could not immediately confirm the report.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi is blamed by the United States for the beheading of foreign captives and suicide bombings that have maimed and killed hundreds in Iraq.

Maliki had earlier won the approval of his Shi'ite Alliance for nominees for the interior and defense posts and will present them to parliament on Thursday, Shi'ite sources said.

"Last night the Alliance gave Maliki authorization to present the candidates for interior and defense minister to parliament today," Alliance member Bahaa al-Araji told Reuters.

(more at link)
<http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=12462198>

And

US air raid kills al Qaeda's Zarqawi in Iraq -ABC

Thu Jun 8, 2006 03:26 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The al Qaeda leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was killed in a U.S. air attack in Baghdad, ABC news reported on Thursday.

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed in Baghdad during a bombing raid," ABC said.

A Pentagon press officer could not immediately confirm the report.

© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.

[Lenore]

51. Identified through his fingerprints, facial recognition and

his personal documents, per the live press conference w/ General Casey and the Iraqi Ambassador...

[Up2Late]

57. I meant unconfirmed by the U.S. Government...

"...A Pentagon press officer could not immediately confirm the report...."

And the second article popped up as I was posting the bottom one, so I added it.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

52. Reccommended for greatest page! You were fast,I tryed to delete mine

:hi: I'm not quite awake. I knew they had him before.Great news,though! Official: Al-Zarqawi DEAD!:patriot:


Thursday, December 15, 2005; Posted: 5:44 p.m. EST (22:44 GMT)Authorities didn't realize prisoner was terrorist mastermind



BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi security forces caught the most wanted man in the country last year, but released him because they didn't know who he was, the Iraqi deputy minister of interior said Thursday. :yoiks: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/15/zarqawi.captured/ War is Stupid!1984'kids inc.Music video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KaWZXYjkPs&search=culture%20club%20war ;The War Song :kick:

[ShortnFiery]

89. "but released him"

Yeah, it's been a real long saga. :puke:

I'm sure DiFi will gush all over TV.

Please California, get that hideous woman out of office a.s.a.p.

[dmoded]

56. one down, an entire following to go

if this pans out to be true, all that they did was martyr him probably the way he would have want to have died. now if puppet government can take care of the rest of the bloodhound gang there, that will be a success.

its like taking a leg off a millipede.

[davepc]

58. well thats it, the insurgents are going to pack it in now!

this will have minimal impact on the war. dead or not.

[dmoded]

60. my sentiments exactly

if anything- there will be a knee jerk reaction causing a bigger uprising and perhaps signals for attacks. i don't think this is the kind of news that subdues the insurgents for some reason.

[ShortnFiery]

68. I'm watching those inane home movies of his ...

and I can't help but think he looks "black Irish" vice Arab from certain angles? :shrug:

The powers that be must think that the American People are really F**king Stupid. :grr: :(

[mogster]

59. Norw. news also reporting this n/t

[Up2Late]

63. CNN, CNN/HLN, and CNN International are too.

They have a Live News conference right now.

[krispos42]

62. Better now than the "October Surprise"

Well, at least it will have time to fade before the elections. Catching Saddam isn't helping Bush's numbers right now, is it?

Too bad he's confirmed dead. I would have liked to try something involving a large deli slicer (set to 1-inch cutting thickness) with him.

[Andrushka]

70. He kicked the bucket?

...with which leg?

[krispos42]

76. LOL I didn't realize his nickname was "Tripod"

[radfringe]

87. no - his nickname is Lazerus

by next week we'll probably get a video of him saying "nyah nyah - missed me"

[Ecumenist]

96. I believe it's the custom carved one with the kickstand...

[Azathoth]

72. If true, then it's good news

Doesn't really change anything, but good news nonetheless.

[ShortnFiery]

79. No, it's like increasing body counts, we can't KILL THEM ALL

And even IF (and that's a real big IF) this guy is a real human instead of a Pentagon Creation, there are countless more battle hardened men ready to take his place. Remember, he was just considered one of "many operatives" of Osama Bin Laden in Iraq. Now today that he's absolutely, truly, undisputed ly (they confirmed this with both the Mayor and Coroner of Munchkin-land) DEAD, ALL OF A SUDDEN, al Zarqawi was the A #1 Commander of Al Quaeda in Iraq. :eyes:

It's all propaganda. Like body counts, this news means nothing with regard to easing the Killings in Iraq. It's all disgusting distortions and pandering bullshit. :(

On Edit: There's no true "world confirmation" but each reporting agency stating what The Pentagon is stating to the public. Nothing is certain in war. It's all horrific and mostly lies.

[Azathoth]

86. They've been calling Zarqawi the #1 terrorist in Iraq for some time

According to the government, Zarqawi has been "threat numero uno" for a couple years now. I doubt his death (assuming he is truly dead) is going to mean much in the long run, but he was a dispicable individual who was apparently responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, and his untimely demise is good news.

[ShortnFiery]

97. Well, it's good news for spreading distortions and disinformation. n/t

[dmoded]

88. yup.. add +1 to this # and...

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

you still have one very confused country.. the man was no good but in terms of stabilization this won't do jack.

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[ShortnFiery]

98. OH PLEASE! IMO this response is BUNK to make DU look like commies.

No, Even if he's NOT REAL, I despise his "image."

Gee, killing is killing. It's all horrific.

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[Ecumenist]

91. How dead is he? Is he "DEAD" dead? real dead?

Sorta kinda dead? moribund? on one of his last legs? a little short of breath? Gravely wounded? Mortally wounded? Breathless? On life support? Temporarily Dead, like Vlad Tepes AKA Dracula? Is he in pieces? Was he blown up and if so, how many legs did he have?

[dmoded]

100. is today the day we get to see...

another mission accomplished sign? lol.

[Ecumenist]

107. It wouldn't surprise me, Dmoded

These people are so predictable, it's ridiculous. Welcome to Du, by the way. Right proud to have you!:hi:

[TheWatcher]

128. All the people who are celebrating the death of the Phantom Boogeyman

Should at least WAIT a few days to make sure the story isn;t retracted.

"Oops, sorry, it was Al-B Shure."

How many times have they done that beofre?

Maybe we'll get a new Color Code System now.

This country is COMPLETELY, UTTERLY LOST.

[Ecumenist]

173. Ain't it the truth...

I have one thing to ask, Is he dead or just dead? If he was killed in a blast, how were they able to identify him using finger prints and facial recognition? I mean, I for one, have never been able to identify the appearance of the beef cow who was slaughtered from looking at raw ground round?

[Zhade]

141. He's just pinin' for the fjords.

NT!

[krispos42]

284. He's tired and shagged-out following a prolonged squawk!

Or perhaps he's stunned!

[Blasphemer]

99. A few months too early, n'est ce pas?

Maybe Osama is finally coming in October.

[Skittles]

101. and of course, there is no one to take his place

according to bush inc, there are a finite number of terrorists

[Karenina]

112. There's always Al-Zawahiri

He was the up and coming bogeyman last year, they stopped featuring his evil deeds cuz the names were too similar and folks wuz gettin CONFUZED. ;-)

[TheWebHead]

103. for three years we never see him make a single video release

then a few weeks ago he releases his "proof of life" and now the boogeyman conveniently was killed.

[d_b]

105. Everything will be peachy in Iraq from here on..

... :yoiks:

[Eugene]

108. "Zarqawi's body was identified through fingerprints" - Gen. George Casey

(BBC News)

Last Updated: Thursday, 8 June 2006, 09:01 GMT 10:01 UK

Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

<snip>

The head of US-led forces in Iraq, General George Casey, said Zarqawi was killed
at 1815 on Wednesday, in an air strike against an "isolated safe house...
approximately 8km (five miles) north of Baquba".

"Iraqi police were first on the scene after the air strike," he said, followed
shortly afterwards by coalition forces.

Zarqawi was said to have been in a meeting with associates at the time. Several other
people were reported to have been killed in the raid.

General George Casey said Zarqawi's body was identified through fingerprints and
facial recognition.

<snip>

Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5058304.stm

If they got the bastard, they got him. But BushCo will need a new bogeyman.

[Roland99]

129. What fingerprints? Who got the original ones? Where's the proof?

[muriel_volestrangler]

152. He was in jail in Jordan for several years

so I imagine they have given his fingerprints to the USA and Iraq.

[Roland99]

158. So, Jordan could get their hands on Zarqawi but not Chalabi?

[muriel_volestrangler]

186. Chalabi is a very clever guy

It's not that surprising he managed to get himself smuggled out of the country. Zarqawi was a thug; Chalabi a sophisticated conman.

[saigon68]

240. Chalabi is a war criminal

And a friend of the Bush Crime Family

[Marie26]

232. They just showed pictures

at the press conference. It sure looks like Zarqawi & he sure looks dead.

[Walt Disney]

109. If true, this is excellent news, indeed!

:applause:

[ShortnFiery]

110. Yeah, we'll all get new shoes, and one of the #2 guys will take charge.

I'm already sick of the news media gushing all over the Pentagon like another "Mission Accomplished" afterglow. :puke:

[Walt Disney]

111. Well, you may be sick, but anything that moves us closer

to bringing our troops home, is a good thing.

I hope you get to feeling better.

[ShortnFiery]

113. You don't get it ... this man, real or not, will NOT bring our troops home

any sooner. If you share a real bent for retribution, then, be happy he's dead. However, since this was another *precision* air strike, you must also wonder HOW MANY innocents died with him.

This means NOTHING. If you buy into the hype, you either are too young to remember Vietnam, or you're deluded by the PROPAGANDA.

*The Truth* is always the first sacrifice during war ... that's a FACT! ;)

[Walt Disney]

122. When you get done with that crystal ball, can I borrow it?

I would like to know who is going to win the Super Bowl this year.

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

168. If you want a crystal ball, look at the posts on this site from early 2003

Most of us here were sure there were no WMD and we were also very worried about the consequences of attempting to "occupy" a country with our troops.

Sadly, the things that we saw so clearly came to pass. No joy in being right.

[Walt Disney]

241. I am in no way defending the course of action that brought this war on.

In fact, I believe this war is unconstitutional. Moreover, I too, was cynical with respect to the occupation and the so-called "nation building."

But it doesn't matter what I believe or how much of a cynic I am; for we are, in fact, at war. And the way I see it, it's a good thing when a depraved individual like Zarqawi is killed.

[Stand and Fight]

255. Strawman argument...

Just what does predicting the Superbowl have to do with making a logical argument based on the history of how these fiends operate? How many times has this crew -- the sweet Neo-Cons and Bush -- repeated things to "catapult the propaganda" in the words of Herr Bush? Pah-leeze... :eyes:

[Walt Disney]

264. Talk about a "strawman argument."

What does "the history of how these fiends operate," have to do with reporting "the news?"

[TheWatcher]

117. I hope you wake up and realize that despite this latest Propaganda Ploy

That our troops will and Iraqi's will still be dying, and they are no closer to coming home than they were yesterday. Killing the Vapor Terrorist Abdul Al-Voorhees for the 25th time is going to accomplish nothing but help you feel more comfortable watching American Idol, and deluding yourself that everything is suddenly getting better, and that the troops will be home soon.

And Where's Bin Laden?

Oh THAT'S right......

"I tell ya I just don't spend that much time on him...." -Dear Leader

I hope you wake up soon.

[Walt Disney]

121. And Where's Bin Laden?

His days are numbered as well, my friend.

And I will applaud that day too.

[TheWatcher]

124. His days are NUMBERED?

They already had aa chance to catch him once and did nothing.

Your Dear Leader said "He isn't concerned about him", and "He doesn't spend that much time on him."

I will applaud the day we finally stop falling for every Propaganda Stunt these assholes play everytime they need some refuge from the Sheep starting to stir.

Enjoy your chocolate rations.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

202. LOL, what you said. His days are numbered....1700 plus days since 9/11

What number are you talking about? MKJ

[Walt Disney]

239. He is definitely a tough nut to crack,

but like I said, his days are numbered. You will see, my friend.

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[krispos42]

286. 1731 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes, 22 seconds

and still counting! Nothing outlasts BushCorps' incompetence!

It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and going.....

http://www.osamaclock.com/

[Walt Disney]

312. Well, 1730 was Zarqawi’s number.

What does your crystal ball say about Bin Laden?

[TheWatcher]

317. Except your Phantom had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with

What Bin Laden did.

[Walt Disney]

327. That is true; however, he was a member of Bin Laden's gang.

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[TheWatcher]

339. No, he wasn't

But Thanks for playing.

Run along now Walt. I think Brit Hume is on. Go get your daily Propaganda.

[Walt Disney]

341. You should lay off that kool-aide, for I speak the truth.

Educate yourself, my friend.

<<<Zarqawi, a longtime ally of Osama bin Laden, was a high-ranking member of bin Laden's Al Qaeda network>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

[TheWatcher]

344. You should try and actually post a link with some substance

You haven't posted anything of substance since you have been here.

Like I said, you are nothing more than a coward sitting comfortably behind a keyboard defending a war that has no purpose, justification, or legality.

You are perfectly fine to send other people to die fighting it, but you are too much of a coward to do it yourself.

The person who needs to be educated is you.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You claim you are against the war, but blindly defend it, and vigorously so.

You are lost. You are uninformed. And you are a chickenhawk.

And I am done wasting my time with you.

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[Walt Disney]

352. Well, my friend, this is a NEWS thread that relates to the death of a

tortuous, homicidal maniac. But the reason that you do not like my link is due to the fact that it demonstrates that you are both ignorant and uniformed.

I have stated that I believe that Zarqawi's death is a good thing. On the other hand, you have scoffed and ridiculed the performance of our soldiers, deeming the reporting of this NEWS to be mere propaganda.

My friend, you do not need to waste anymore of your time. For you have made your point of view abundantly clear for all to see.

[TheWatcher]

347. And I think the word you are looking for is Kool-Aid

Since you seem to be permenantly drunk off of it, you would think you would know how to spell it by now.

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[Stand and Fight]

253. His "death" will not bring our troops home!

Wake up already! This is bosh! All of it is utter nonsense.

[Walt Disney]

254. No, this is not "bosh," it is merely "news."

But it is good news.

I see that you too are in possession of a crystal ball.

[TheWatcher]

308. No, he is in possession of REALITY

His brain not soaked with PROPAGANDA.

You should try it sometime.

[Walt Disney]

342. I know that it was a tough day for you, my friend.

But you are just going to have to get used to losing.

[TheWatcher]

345. How was it a tough day for me smart guy?

And what have I lost? If you are suggesting that I somehow "support the terrorists" because I don't swallow every piece of propaganda this administration throws at me, then it is you who are lost.

We are losing our entire country, economy and our democracy because of this war we never should have started.

We are all losers in this war.

However, you as a person, are just a loser period. And an uninformed one at that.

Enlisted yet?

[Walt Disney]

348. News is not propaganda, my friend. Read it and weep.

[TheWatcher]

350. Wow, you certainly love your War Porn don't you Walt

Don't you find it fascinating that this is plastered wall to wall by the Media in this country, and yet, the flag-draped coffins of our SOLDIERS, you know Walt, "The Good Guys" that "must win" , are deliberately kept hidden from us.

We are not allowed to see the coffins of our own, but they shove their War Porn at us whenever they get the chance.

Well, hey, you seem to like it.

Not surprising.

Do you have that picture as your Wallpaper in Windows.

Does it excite you?

[Walt Disney]

353. No, I am neither surprised nor am I fascinated;

it's simply a matter of Catch-22. Either the body is displayed and people are insulted, or the body is veiled and no one believes that it is him. In fact, I have no doubt that you would be the first to dispute the authenticity of the claim without a public display.

Why do you find it surprising that we respect our soldiers and do not allow them to be used? You would like to use our dead for your own propaganda wouldn't you, my friend?

The thought of it excites you, doesn't it? No matter, for they will never be available for you to use as your desktop.

[TheWatcher]

354. Such a pathetic response.

It's OK to admit it, Walt. You're among friends here.

They really do get you hot don't they? I mean, I understand that people with limited reasoning capacity have to get arousal somehow. The fact is you seem to love the pornographic sickness of it all, thus your need to show off the goods proudly. I hope you had a towel handy after posting those, because I am sure you need it.

You really seem to have a problem getting your ideas straight though. Nowhere did I ever dispute the authenticity of anything. So you so proudly posting those Big, HUGE photos like some sick, twisted trophy certainly tells me you are anything but a reasonable thinking liberal.

As for how the coffins of our soldiers returning home, nowhere did I ever suggest that they be used for any sort of political gain, or used for anything for that matter. That assumption was of course born from your own, for what little use you get out of it, mind.

And this sort of twisting of ideas and words is really all you are capable of, because you don't seem to have the capability of having intelligent debate or discussion, or really stating anything of substance.

The real reason that our soldiers returning home are hidden from us, is because the government won't allow us to see them. They won't even allow the families to see then or let any of us pay proper respect.

That's because the government you voted for, and still support, has done nothing but use and abuse our military as a means to their own end, for whatever sick agenda and profiteering whims they may have.

You say you want the good guys to win, and yet you blindly support a government that fails to provide them with the proper equipment, cuts their benefits, stop losses them into oblivion, and shows utter contempt for them.

Yes, you're a real Patriot, Walt.

You really "Support The Troops."

If you really gave a damn about them at all, you'd be demanding that they come home.

But in the end, all you really care about is "winning", swimming in the fantasy land of whatever propaganda makes you feel better, and your own selfish comfort.

All of this death, destruction, and treasure, just so Bush and his Cabal can handsomely profit, and you can show War Porn to your friends and circle jerk and live in the delusion that it makes a DAMN bit of difference. You are truly lost.

[krispos42]

356. Only history will determine if this is a good or bad death

While I personally think that Zarqawi's death was richly deserved for him personally, it remains to be seen if will make the violence worse or better in Iraq.

The capture of Saddam didn't help, despite the crowing of the right-winger radio.

Similarly, it remains to been seen if the invasion of Iraq is a good or bad thing for the people there. Currently, the citizens of Iraq are living in a state of low-intensity civil war AND a medium-level insurgency against a foreign occupying power (us).

I hate so say it, but things might have been better for the Iraqi people as a whole if Saddam had stayed in power until his death (natural or otherwise). At least the terror only came from one direction.

[Walt Disney]

357. Yes, pathetic is the word that best describes you, my friend.

For I have never endured so much intellectually impaired effluvium as I have encountered in your posts.

You hate our troops, don't you? You are so blinded by your intense dislike of them that you refuse to acknowledge their success with respect to this bit of good news. You are truly a loathsome creature.

I do not support this war or this administration, but I do support our troops and I support them unconditionally.

End of story.

[killbotfactory]

114. And nothing of value was lost.

Oh wait, except the 700+ people he killed because Bush refused to go after him before the fucking war.

[Cooley Hurd]

115. If he's indeed dead, brace yourseves for another morbid corpse display...

...along the lines of Uday and Qusay. If they don't, no one will believe them (including me).

Evidently, the insurgency rages on - CNN reporting a new, deadly bombing in Baghdad (28 dead).

[Rhiannon12866]

271. You called it! That's exactly what we got...

And I made the same comparison.:puke:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1380780&mesg_id=1380780

[Cooley Hurd]

330. What creepy bastards we've become...

:( I remember the outrage when the Iranians displayed the bodies of the US servicemen killed during the failed attempt to rescue the hostages in 1980. Now, we've reduced ourselves to the same tactic. For shame... x(

[Rhiannon12866]

343. They are not only showing these gruesome pix,

but seem to delight in it, couldn't be more proud. They can't show them enough times, even today, including the unretouched ones, with no warning at all! CNN is currently discussing how his face could "have remained intact," after being hit with two 500-lb. bombs, and Tony Harris feels a compelling need to know what were the grievous injuries to the rest of his body, and they're telling him, in detail. I kid you not! Jesus! Creepy bastards, indeed...x(

[Henny Penny]

116. Why has he been killed again???

Surely once is enough even for a bogey man like this...

or maybe not...

"Oil prices fall on Zarqawi death

Oil prices have dropped sharply to below $70 a barrel on news of the death of the militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5058822.stm

I see the FTSE's down tho...

[LisaL]

126. Killed again?

[Roland99]

127. They really, really, really, really, REALLY mean it this time!!

[TheWatcher]

131. Until a few days from now

When we find out it was all just a BIG MISUNDERTANDING.

It was his fourth cousin.

No wait, it was his other leg.

Oops, wrong again it was Abdul Al-Frankenstien.

Nope, wait, it was Al-Queda's Chief Gardener.

:eyes:

[krispos42]

290. Captain Incompetent finally set his phaser on 'pureé'

[Roland99]

132. OMG! Anyone just see the NEW video from Iraq showing celebrations???

*SO* staged!!

CNN just showed some clips. So fake.

[TheWatcher]

135. But, But The STOCK FUTURES are still DOWN!

::Panic:: Someone PLEASE get Brit Hume on ASAP and have him alert everyone to buy!

The Bogeyman is DEAD! (For the 765th time in four years)

Don't wait for another Subway Bombing or Hurricane! Get in now! Back up the Truck! Intel calls will NEVER be this cheap again! Hurry, Hur-RY, Hurry!

I am truly beginning to think that the day will come that they announce on CNN that the world is indeed FLAT.....

And many of us buy it.....

[goclark]

261. They show the same clip over and over and over and over

What happened to " people in the street interviews" and a span of the area?

All I see are the same six children looking at some object covered in orange cloth.

It could have been taken anywhere.

[Roland99]

134. Tony Snow just had a briefing at the White House..This is why Senate brief

was canceled!!!


* was in a meeting w/lawmakers yesterday, Ray LaHood (sp?) said that * needs to get Al Zarqawi.

Hadley's phone was ringing off the hook with calls from Iraq.

Apparently this is why * canceled the Senate briefing.

[MadHound]

136. PROPAGANDA!

OMG, this is so damn over the top. I woke up to the beginning of Morning Edition on NPR. And for the next forty minutes that proceded to tell us in varying ways that al Zarqawi was dead. Forty fucking minutes solid wall to wall. And the lead off on the Marketplace report was drop in oil prices due to Zarqawi dying.

PROPAGANDA!

I'm afraid to turn on the television this morning, even for local weather.

What a lot of people fail to realize is that al Zarqawi's death doesn't mean a damn thing. The war will roll on, the insurgents will continue to attack, probably with greater frequency and ferocity if Zarqawi is dead, the oil flow will continue to be disrupted, and another leader will take al Zarqawi's place.

If Zarqawi is indeed dead, that is something I'm not convinced of. How many times has he been killed now? At least a couple.

Meanwhile, the meatgrinder continues it's bloody work. How sad, how very very sad.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

138. How come ABC is a White House favorite now?

Are they supposed to give crediblity where faux has lost it or are they supposed to aid faux's credibility?

[notadmblnd]

139. Where's the pictures of the dead body?

it should be pretty decomposed after all these years, no?

[noamnety]

143. This is great news.

This changes everything. I'm going to vote republican now. :)

[Stand and Fight]

258. Oh, indeed, I am with you, my friend...

:rofl: It's all so fucking hilarious!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

144. Well, I guess the war has been won, then, and everyone can come home.

What's that you say?

Well, when WILL we know that the war has been won, then? :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

150. Listening to CSPAN now ... it seems that it's *nationalistic fervor*

It's disgusting hearing these right wing crazies continue to believe that Iraq had any DAMN thing to do with 9/11.

What did the average Iraqi do to us? Now every terrorist in the ME is scrambling over to THEIR country.

While Earl and May Ella in the deep south think that it's fine to trash a country that did NOTHING to us because evidently we are SUPERIOR.

The message: STFU American Patriot! :puke: Nationalism, it's here to stay. :grr:

[OhioChick]

145. Hmmmmmm...........

Couldn't drum enough up enough support from the "base" trying to ban the gays, huh?

[Vinca]

166. You hit the nail on the head. nt

[lynne]

146. Bush making statement now, confirming kill. eom

[ShortnFiery]

147. I don't remember Bin Laden naming al Zarqawi as "Emir of Iraq"

This is so BULLSHIT.

The special ops delivered justice just like in the good OLD Testament. "put him out of business" What a moron! :puke:

Chimpy should be waiving The Flag and holding a Bible.

Mission Accomplished MF! :grr:

On Edit: Does this mean that we can declare victory and get the f**k out of there?

[svpadgham]

322. Old Testament?

Does that mean they released seven plagues on him?

[baldguy]

149. Every time you hear "Al-queda Leader al-Zarqawi"

Remember - this is a lie. He had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with 9/11.

[Roland99]

159. And NOTHING to do with Al Qaeda! Bin Laden's blessing is symbolism!!

[FudgeBudgie]

175. So Al-queda members are only those directly involved in 9/11?

I'm sure they'll be bummed to hear that.

[baldguy]

187. Al-Zarqawi has a much to do with al-Queda

as those dumbfucks that were picked up in Canada last week. GEORGE BUSH has more guilt regarding 9/11 than al-Zarqawi.

Stop watching Fox "News".

[FudgeBudgie]

209. Would you care to substantiate?

I get all my internet news from MSNBC and BBC - they load much faster :P

And Al-Qaeda in Iraq is what they call themselves, if you'd care to look for yourself.

[Roland99]

315. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a term the Pentagon/WH created to prettify things

They got their boogeyman to focus on in Iraq given the lack of WMDs and the horrid conditions there.

Zarqawi and bin Laden were not the best of friends and only had loose associations.


Al Qaeda has come to be an all-encompassing term for all Islamist groups. Al Qaeda, itself, is a rather small organization centered around bin Laden/Zawahiri.

[wizdum]

151. The guy was merely an invention of the Bush administration ...

...anyway and this convenient web site is most likely run by the CIA. Now they'll have to invent a new "terrarist" to chase all over Iraq, while continuing to look for weapons of mass destruction. I wonder what fancy name they'll come up with for a "Al Qeada in Iraq" leader?

Lucky for George Al Zarq-who-i got blasted at such an apropo moment with the brouhaha over psycho scribe coulter reaching a fever pitch in the US. That should that all go away now thanks to the death of this fictitious "terrarist". Isn't the timing special?

[E-Z-B]

153. Great. Wonderful. He's dead.

Let's get out of Iraq now.

BTW - isn't it funny how this happens the day after the gay marriage ban fails? Could he have been killed awhile back, but kept it under wraps until the pentagon thought it could be political advantage? Just trying on my tin-foil hat here...

[Amonester]

244. Xzacklay. They finally tested that new DedZomby corpus freezer..

they just luv 2 over-charge the taxpayer's grandchildren's kids ten-thousand-fold, and went out 2 campain' with the profits in 5 stars (resort$).

[imagine1989]

260. I find it even more interesting that this comes on the heels of Haditha

Just as the American public begins to look into Haditha, this happens.

I'm going to be interested as to how Bush's approval rating changes, as well as how long we've known where this guy was.

I'd like to think that it was just a coincidence, but it would be valuable to know all the facts.

[moondust]

155. Wasn't he demoted not long ago?

No longer the leader of Al-Q in Iraq? (If he ever was.) I guess we'll need a new boogey man. :boring:

[southernleftylady]

156. good can we come home now?

[Esurientes]

157. Thank you, DU!

I don't post much (obviously) but it's so nice to have a place to come and find intelligent comments about current events. The last times I visited here were during Katrina and then again at the height of the Duke arrests -- now everyone at work is hoo-rahing about this. Your site is keeping me from blowing steam out the top of my head around my co-workers.

[ShortnFiery]

161. Hang in there Esurientes for I honestly feel your pain ...

Most of my extended family and acquaintances are rabid right wingers.

DU helps keep me sane.

What's sad is that there must be some defect ... somewhere that I can't see in the willfully ignorant. I love my family and enjoy the company of my acquaintances ... they're just FUBAR when it comes to their political beliefs.

Many of us here fully understand that it's tough "to maintain" among the MORANS. ;) :hi:

[osaMABUSh]

160. When the violence INCREASES - they'll say it's a desperate

measure by the last throes of an insurgency. A few months from when the violence continues unabated no one will remember al-Zarqawi unless, of course, he is killed again.

[mike923]

162. Enjoy hell Zarqawi

*

[FudgeBudgie]

165. Right on. n/t

[The Gunslinger]

180. Im sure he's there

holding King George's and the big Dick's place in line.

[Name removed]

199. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NorVegan]

223. Nevermind.. nt

[HughBeaumont]

163. My freeptard friend sent this article in an e-mail . . .

. . . the e-mail title read "The latest scumbag to find himself on fire in hell..."

But I found some words in the article interesting to say the least:

Khalilzad called al-Zarqawi "the godfather of sectarian killing and terror in Iraq" -- and said the death "marks a great success for Iraq and the global war on terror."
"His organization has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq and abroad."

OK, so that being said, when do some of OUR Oval Office jokers start getting rightfully arrested and brought to trial? I mean, not only are we killing Iraqi citizens, but we're killing American soldiers. DAILY. And for WHAT? So fat old white men can get richer, that's why.

[seeker4ever]

164. Everything's OK Now!!!!!!!

Everything's OK Now!!!!!!!

Three years, three months and over 5000 American deaths, tens of thousands of wounded and mentally destroyed America soldiers, some 50,000 dead Iraqi civillians, Billions and Billions of dollars spent and...

Osama Bin La.... I mean, Al-Zarqawi has been killed in a US Air Strike!

Someone called the US Army and told them where he was staying and they bombed the place.
-----------------------------------
...the airstrike was the result of intelligence reports provided to Iraqi security forces by residents in the area, and U.S. forces acted on the information. U.S. Gen. George Casey said the hunt for al-Zarqawi began two weeks ago, and his body was identified by fingerprints and facial recognition. more

Al-Qaida in Iraq confirmed al-Zarqawi's death and vowed to continue its "holy war," according to a statement posted on a Web site.

"We want to give you the joyous news of the martyrdom of the mujahed sheik Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," said the statement, signed by "Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi," identified as the deputy "emir" or leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.

"The death of our leaders is life for us. It will only increase our persistence in continuing holy war so that the word of God will be supreme." more
-----------------------------------
I love George Bush now and the war is great. This marks the umpteenth turning point in Iraq. Hell, we may even see ANOTHER mission accomplished party. I love the torture we don't do and the Haditha massacre is OK by me! I hope the Government starts checking my turds for corn now and we finally do away with the stupid Constitution and Bill of Rights!

The War is Over!
Vote Republican!


This had absolutely nothing to do with the President's 29% approval ratings.

[erpowers]

169. Happy But

I am extremely that Zarqawi is gone. However, I wonder what affect this will actually have since the Pentagon a few months ago said that Zarqawi was not really that important in Iraq and that they had blown up his importance in Iraq. So the question is how much of a big deal is this really?

[hippiechick]

171. ... dude's got more lives than a cat ...

Dead. Again. :eyes: Right.

[go west young man]

172. Al Qaeda response. Apparently the war will go on.

June 08, 2006
Al Qaeda release statement regarding Al Zarqawi
Al Qaeda have released a statement in response to the killing of Al Zarqawi. Here we present a rough translation of the document along with the origional Arabic. We cannot vouch for the 'word to word' accuracy and we will update it if any innacuracies come to light.

Al Qaeda statement regarding the death of Al Zarqawi.



**PLEASE NOTE: This is a rough translation of the statement. We will update this as and when it is possible**



The information : a statement by the Al-Qaeda Organization in the Land of the Rafidain around killing of Sheikh Al-Zarqawi The name of God, the Merciful (Imsskm shivering that has touched shivering figures like those days Ndaulha between people and the believers who know God and make martyrs of God does not love aggressors) .



God the God of both worlds, and prayer and peace on our Prophet Muhammad, who was accompanied by a wider either : Father of Abdul Rahman Iraqi nation to the beloved prayers and peace I Nbshrk martyrdom embattled leader-God-Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi on the ground Rafidain opened by Omar al-Faruq - P.B.U.H. - Gellt blood apostles and followers.



Then Gellt blood of immigrants and supporters throughout the three years of Sheikh Abu Anas al-Shami, Sheikh Abu Azzam Iraqi Here is today's leader Abu Musab mercy of God. We affirm that our nation has left you, my dignity, and that the conquest God recently, The beloved nation and Lodh, hope remains that inherit God of the Earth, and what befell the nation, such as the death Nabiha for prayer and peace, But the scoring continued advances and fighting so that God's word is supreme.



The nation continued to produce men after men, even to this day, bore the nation in the past decades leader Osama bin Laden and Sheikh Ayman Al-Zawahri, "conservation" and Sheikh Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi "mercy of God". The mother nation permission God men men, and that this debt is reserved as God Almighty says : (which sent the messenger Balhdi religion right Lizhrh on religion as a whole, even if balls Participants) , and God 799,100 Nour, but the Crusaders Alroafeda the defector and did not even know them. God promised that the promise is a promise right, either enabling or certificate, (Say Is Trbeson us only one Alhosniin We Nterbes Eseibekm you that God is at pains or hands Ftrbeswa I am with you Mtrbeson)



The death of our lives we have not only reinforce the determination to continue the struggle to be the word of God is Supreme we strive obedience to God almighty God and the Savior of the greatest Staat in such days. And that God Akermana in recent months to meet with our brothers formation of the Shura Council of Mujahideen commands leader Abdullah bin Rashid Al Baghdadi, "may God keep him," Shikhana "mercy of God" major impact in the establishment of this Council will be the nucleus of the State of Islam which will be held, God willing, on the ground Rafidain.



We promise God to move a Bill on this ground Rafidain or perish without, We say God is our nation will have to accept God. We say Shikhana and Amerna Osama bin Laden "may God keep him," Jendk in al-Qaeda in the Land of Rafidain are on the same plan, which demarcated by Abu-Musab Shikhana, The virtuous man march, Abu-Musab Amerna mercy of God, he will see the war stopped and those who disbelieved consequence House. God Ghalib. The womb of God struggling Sheikh Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is preceded by brothers arenas of jihad. (people who have said that people were rounded up believing you Vakchohm Vzadham They say yes to God and the agent) . And pray God to the Prophet Mohammed, who was accompanied by a recognized. Abu Abdul Rahman Iraqi Deputy Emir of al-Qaeda in the Land of the Rafidain The media Mujahideen Shura Council in Iraq



THE ORIGIONAL STATEMENT IN ARABIC:



لهيئة الإعلامية: بيان من تنظيم القاعدة في بلاد الرافدين حول استشهاد الشيخ الزرقاوي

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
{إِن يَمْسَسْكُمْ قَرْحٌ فَقَدْ مَسَّ الْقَوْمَ قَرْحٌ مِّثْلُهُ وَتِلْكَ الأيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنكُمْ شُهَدَاء وَاللّهُ لاَ يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ } <سورة آل عمران: 140>.
الحمد لله ربّ العالمين، والصّلاة والسّلام على نبيّنا محمّد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين، أما بعد:
من أبي عبد الرحمن العراقي إلى أمة الحبيب عليه الصلاة والسلام إنا نبشركِ باستشهادِ شيخنا المجاهد - بإذن الله - أبي مصعب الزرقاوي على أرض الرّافدين الّتي فتحها عمر الفاروق - رضي الله عنه - وجُلّلت بدماء الصحابة والتابعين، ثمّ جلّلت بدماء المهاجرين والأنصار طوال ثلاث سنوات منهم الشيخ أبي أنس الشامي والشيخ أبي عزام العراقي، وها هو اليوم شيخنا أبو مصعب رحمه الله.
إننا نؤكّد لأمّتنا أنّ ما أصابنا كرامةٌ لك يا أمّتي، وإنّ الفتح بإذن الله قريب، فإن أمة الحبيب ولودةٌ والأمل باقٍ إلى ان يرث الله الأرض ومن عليها، وما أُصيبت الأمّة مثل موت نبيها عليه الصلاة والسلام، ولكن استمرت بالعطاء والفتوحات والقتال حتّى تكون كلمة الله هي العليا، واستمرت الأمة بإنجاب الرّجال تلو الرّجال حتّى يومنا هذا، فأنجبت الأمّة في العقود الماضية شيخنا أسامة بن لادن والشيخ أيمن الظواهري " حفظهما الله " والشيخ أبي مصعب الزرقاوي " رحمه الله "، وستنجب الأمّة بإذن الله تعالى الرّجال الرّجال، وإنّ هذا الدّين محفوظ كما قال تعالى: {هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ } <سورة الصف: 9>، والله متمّ نوره ولكنّ الصليبيين والروافض والمرتدين ومن معهم لا يعلمون.
إنّ الله وعدنا وعداً وهو وعدُ الحق، إمّا التّمكين وإمّا الشهادة، {قُلْ هَلْ تَرَبَّصُونَ بِنَا إِلاَّ إِحْدَى الْحُسْنَيَيْنِ وَنَحْنُ نَتَرَبَّصُ بِكُمْ أَن يُصِيبَكُمُ اللّهُ بِعَذَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِهِ أَوْ بِأَيْدِينَا فَتَرَبَّصُواْ إِنَّا مَعَكُم مُّتَرَبِّصُونَ }< سورة التوبة: 52>.
إنّ موت قادتنا حياةٌ لنا ولا يزيدنا إلا إصراراً على مواصلة الجهاد حتّى تكون كلمة الله هي العُليا، فإنّنا نجاهد طاعةً لله عزّ وجل وتعبّداً إليه فإنّها من أعظم الطاعات في مثل هذه الأيام.
وإنّ الله أكرمنا في الأشهر الأخيرة بالاجتماع مع إخوتنا بتشكيل مجلس شورى المجاهدين بإمرة شيخنا عبد الله بن رشيد البغدادي " حفظه الله " وكان لشيخنا " رحمه الله " الأثر الطيب في إنشاء هذا المجلس ليكون النّواة الأولى لدولة الإسلام الّتي سَتًقام بإذن الله على أرض الرافدين.
إنّنا نعاهدُ الله على المُضيّ لإقامة شرعه على هذه أرض الرافدين أو نهلكَ دونه، ونقول الله لأمّتنا لن تُؤْتَي بإذن الله من قبلنا، ونقول لشيخنا وأميرنا أسامة بن لادن " حفظه الله " إنّ جندكَ في تنظيم القاعدة في بلاد الرافدين ماضون على نفس الخطّة الّتي رسمتها لشيخنا أبي مصعب، وسنُكمِلُ مسيرة شيخنا وأميرنا أبي مصعب رحمه الله، وبيننا وبينهم حربٌ سجالٌ وسيرى الذين كفروا لمن عاقبةُ الدّار.
والله غالب.
رحم الله الشيخ المجاهد أبي مصعب الزّرقاوي ومن سبقه من إخوانه في ساحات الجهاد.
{الَّذِينَ قَالَ لَهُمُ النَّاسُ إِنَّ النَّاسَ قَدْ جَمَعُواْ لَكُمْ فَاخْشَوْهُمْ فَزَادَهُمْ إِيمَاناً وَقَالُواْ حَسْبُنَا اللّهُ وَنِعْمَ الْوَكِيلُ} <سورة آل عمران: 173>.
وصلى الله على نبيّنا محمّد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلّم.


أبي عبد الرّحمن العراقي
نائب أمير تنظيم القاعدة في بلاد الرافدين

الهيئة الاعلامية لمجلس شورى المجاهدين في العراق

المصدر: مركز الفجر للإعلام




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[Ragin_mad]

184. But he didn't exist

so why would they release a statement ?

[ShortnFiery]

224. It's all a part of the WALTZ!

Get this FACTOID: If the USA spooks create this character, then if you are al Quaeda "why not" take advantage of his martydom? There are many layers ... sometimes it's hard to really know THE TRUTH.

[bananas]

190. bad link. nt

[go west young man]

201. Sorry about that. I got it at Ogrish.com

Just a warning but that site is quite disgusting. It's very gory. But they post clips and info on both sides of the war. That statement was posted at their website today.

[sasha031]

176. there are so many responses to this story

I wish I has the time to read them all....


But I will say one thing, according to Robert Fisk of the Independent, Zarquawi was dead a long time ago, Fisk has been right in the middle of the war and he not one to be a stenographer for the pentagon.

He is in the heart of the Iraq's, no one has seen Zarquawi for years, family friends ect. It has been assumed he died in the initial bombing. His mother died not to long ago and there was not a presence, card or acknowledgment at the funeral. The only ones who talk of this fictional man are the Americans.

Shrub and the pentagon are on the good news campaign once again, similar to the Rambo character Jessica Lynch.

[The Gunslinger]

177. What perfect timing.............

At least the "liberal" media will have some good news instead of Haditha to put on tv..................Oh wait I never really seen anything about that on the "Liberal" media.

[Freddie Stubbs]

181. Wouldn't late October have been better timing?

:shrug:

[The Gunslinger]

198. Not with the Haditha controversy

Needed a way for the folk to forget about them kids being killed. Thats not positive news.

[wisteria]

191. Yeah timing- the Senate is taking up debate on the Iraqi war this coming

week. Frist scheduled it because the Repubs claim they have the upper hand due to security issues and the discussion will give them a boost.

This is one small success in a miserable illegal war. People need to be reminded of this and that a replacement is already in place.

[Aviation Pro]

178. My sober analysis on the good news that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is dead

First off, congratulations to the Special Operations forces that pulled off a very difficult mission. As always, they accomplished their orders with superb professionalism which is the hallmark of USSOCOM.

That being said, the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is meaningless. As every good manager knows, the key to a successful organization is the ability of its chief executive to train and nurture his direct reports to carry out the goals and charter of the organization in the event of his departure. An autocratic organization usually fails because the CEO holds tightly to the reins and refuses to let go of control (this is due to the huge ego of the executive). Abu Musab al-Zarqawi did not strike me as an autocratic because the very nature of an insurgency demands that cells be given the latitude to operate autonomously with general guidance from the leadership.

Although there is probably a mass of classified documents on his organization, one piece of public domain evidence probably proves, anecdotally, this point. When his last video was released one segment showed al-Zarqawi struggling with a jammed weapon. Rather than go into a tirade, as many autocrats would, he calmly allowed a subordinate to unjam it and then he continued.

This one piece of evidence leads me to believe that AQ has a contingency plan in place and that some unknown number of cells will make this good news fade in a short period of time. Eventually, one cell leader will emerge to fill the same function as al-Zarqawi and will imprint his stamp on AQ in Iraq.

Corrected for weapon type, I believe it was a FN-FAL, but I can't tell.

[ShortnFiery]

208. What?

"First off, congratulations to the Special Operations forces that pulled off a very difficult mission. As always, they accomplished their orders with superb professionalism which is the hallmark of USSOCOM."

BULLSHIT! The so called "special operations" dropped a fucking bomb from thousands of feet up. They never saw the INNOCENTS who died with al Zarqawi.

There's nothing brave about dropping bombs from planes especially when the insurgency has NO Air Force.

Fuck that idea! :puke: If I was in the Air Force dropping those Death Traps I'd have nightmares until the day of my death.

[Aviation Pro]

217. The bombs in question were laser guided

It requires a soldier to sit on the ground and fire a laser device at the target and hold it there until the splash. Trust me, in that environment creating a signature is one of the most dangerous things one could do.

[ShortnFiery]

231. OK, I would still have nightmares because collateral damage

with 500 lbs is assured.

However, thank you kindly for the education and risk assessment. :hi:

[Name removed]

228. Deleted message

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[ShortnFiery]

233. Hello! Those bombs had to FALL on someBODY ...

BTW IF there was an al Zarqawi, he died three years ago.

[FudgeBudgie]

242. There's the crux of it

We can conjecture forever when and if he died, whether or not he had ties to Al Qaeda, or whether or not he existed, but all the major news outlets right now do not appear to be supporting your claims. I'd love to see your sources, because my :tinfoilhat: is failing me today.

[NYC Liberal]

282. He "died" in 2004, and then AGAIN in 2005 last June.

March 4, 2004
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombing and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a statement allegedly from an insurgent group west of the capital said.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq “during the American bombing there,” according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the “Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen.”

The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein’s regime was collapsing.

It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

June 2, 2005
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.173437230&par=0

Baghdad, 2 June (AKI) - The Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq - died on Friday and his body is in Fallujah's cemetary, an Iraqi Sunni sheikh, Ammar Abdel Rahim Nasir, has told the Saudi on-line newspaper Al-Medina. He claims that gunfights which broke out in Fallujah in the last few days involved militants trying to protect the insurgency leader's tomb from a group of American soldiers patrolling the area.

During a telephone conversation from the city of Fallujah with the Saudi newspaper, Nasir said al-Zarqawi was taken there after being injured in the city of Ramadi around three weeks ago, and may have been treated by two doctors who had worked with his aides in Baghdad. He said the two doctors had stopped a serious haemorrhage in al-Zarqawi's intestines, but that after his condition worsened last week, the militant died on Friday.

....

Sheikh Nasir's claims appear to correspond with reports several weeks ago that al-Zarqawi had been injured and taken to Ramadi hospital for emergency treatment, and with messages on the Internet talking of two Arab doctors accompanying him.

So let's see how THIS one turns out :eyes:

[FudgeBudgie]

289. Habeus Corpus

From your first article:

"There was no way to verify the authenticity of the statement, one of many leaflets put out by a variety of groups taking part in the anti-U.S. resistance."

The second is self-admittedly pure hearsay.

If conjecture, hearsay, and unsubstantiated claims are truth, thenUBL has been dead since 2002 as well.

[0007]

340. ....and there's no way to verify the authenticity of this latest

report either is there? It would seem to me that taking the man alive would have been the answer.

But of course who is gonna question the veracity of our saintly administration and their gangster society.

[ShortnFiery]

287. major news outlets = trust? n/t

[angryxyouth]

331. Finally someone mentioned the innocent lives lost.

Yet another child at home with her mother blown to bits or crushed and burned. A glorious day to be an American. I am so proud. I guess American family values does not include apathy for other human families. How can anybody who has children not go ape shit over the blood of children spilled for what is more or less a propaganda campaign. These animals have to be stopped, and I mean the ones in DC.:grr:

[LaBanty]

182. Ding, Dong He's Dead

Good! Now, let's all send piss to pour on his grave. May they bury his charred and smoking ass pointing toward Mecca as further insult to him, and the followers of his death cult religion. Unfortunately, it's business as usual for every religious extremist who never fails to see P.O.S. like this as a martyr. There's thousands and thousands more where that bastard came from. I doubt the everyday average Iraqi will notice the difference, or feel any safer. Our troops will still be killed by the dozen or half dozen every day. Iraqi citizens will still be murdered senselessly.

In the end: BFD. So what.

[shadowknows69]

188. Except now our dead "convenient boogeyman"

may yield real fruits of martyrdom.

[elgati]

183. oh, please! I just heard that the market is responding!

Could they stick to one minstrel show at a time?

[Joe Chi Minh]

185. So what?

[KharmaTrain]

194. There's More Zarquawis From Where This One Came From

...and isn't the guy who masterminded killing the 3,000 that supposedly is the cause of this ugly quamire still hiding in the caves of Pakistan? I hear he's been so busy doing audio and video, he's coming out with a box set.

Cheers...

[Joe Chi Minh]

227. I think he's an impostor! All the biggest, most lethal explosions

are made and packaged in the US, aren't they?

[shadowknows69]

189. This will be Bush's cue

to declare missions accomplished (again) and move on to the next exhibit in the WOT, Iran. Our new allies the Iraqi government has graciously invited us to stay and use their country as a staging ground.

[baldguy]

193. He's alredy been replaced.

Get ready for "Al-Zarqawi was never the important guy in Iraq. Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi is the REAL leader. We've always have been after him."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5872681,00.html

[Proud Liberal Dem]

195. Good News But Likely Changes Nothing

If the news is correct and Zarqawi is really dead, then that should be good news for the Iraqi people and, hopefully, for our military no doubt. However, putting aside for the moment that it was Bin Laden, NOT Zarqawi, who apparently orchestrated the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington and that Zarqawi had apparently never threatened US interests or the American people PRIOR to our invasion of Iraq in 2003, Zarqawi's death is, by some published accounts, three years too late. Despite the fact that Zarqawi's training camp was apparently located in the Kurdish-controlled northern area of Iraq and the US could've likely got him at just about anytime prior to the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration apparently did not choose to do so (according to some published accounts) and when US forces DID arrive at his camp during the invasion, they were unable to locate him. If Zarqawi is the "terror kingpin" that the Bush Administration and the media has made him out to be and the Bush administration failed to take advantage of efforts to capture or kill him prior to our invasion of Iraq, then they bear some of the responsibility for enabling his cold-blooded reign of terror inflicted upon the military and civilians in Iraq over the past three years. It is anybody's guess as to what kind of effect Zarqawi's death will have on the insurgency, which has hardly been demonstrated to be "in its last throes." I am fairly certain the Bush administration and the media will "crow" about Zarqawi's death for days on end and I wouldn't be surprised if Bush's poll numbers go up as a result of it. However, by the end of the day, NOTHING can change the fact that invading Iraq was and still is a colossal mistake and stain on our country, especially since we were apparently misled into invading and occupying a sovereign country with no operational links to Al-Quida, WMD, or any real connection to the so-called "war on terror" or our hunt for Osama Bin Laden.

[LSK]

196. great, can we go home now???

[Caution]

197. Good riddance. n/t

[Ilsa]

200. Bombed? or bombed after getting shot? Yeah, how it happened

willmake a difference in whether I believe the malAdministration.

Oh yeah, and how many children and pregnant women and old ladies had to die in this "bombing"?

Like the rest of my fellow DUers, I am sceptical of anything they call "good news".

[Greeby]

205. GOLDSTEIN!!!!!!

:hide:

[suegeo]

206. The junta will say, "we've turned a corner!" **

First, after the cow had already left the barn, our glorious leader was after the evil Osama. ***

Then came the sucky fake-out: Saddam was evil!

Then came the sons! Oday and Kosay!

And now this guy.

Pathetic. How about a real investigation of the attacks that started it all? Or maybe the coup in 2000 that started it all?

**No matter that I don't count myself as a "we" with those goons

*** And no, I don't buy the official story of the attacks of '01. I think the Bush family and bin Laden family are partners in crime (slash "business", but I'm being redundant)

[neverforget]

207. The way the MSM and Bush is playing this it's Victory in Iraq Day!

Bring the troops home now. We done killed us a terrorist. Unfortunately, this one had nothing to do with 9/11.

[LibertyorDeath]

211. 'more myth than man'

How US fuelled myth of Zarqawi the mastermind
By Adrian Blomfield outside Fallujah
(Filed: 04/10/2004)

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist leader believed to be responsible for the abduction of Kenneth Bigley, is 'more myth than man', according to American military intelligence agents in Iraq.
Several sources said the importance of Zarqawi, blamed for many of the most spectacular acts of violence in Iraq, has been exaggerated by flawed intelligence and the Bush administration's desire to find "a villain" for the post-invasion mayhem.

Zarqawi fuels his ambition with the release of a video of the beheading of Nick Berg

US military intelligence agents in Iraq have revealed a series of botched and often tawdry dealings with unreliable sources who, in the words of one source, "told us what we wanted to hear".
"We were basically paying up to $10,000 a time to opportunists, criminals and chancers who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq," the agent said.

"Back home this stuff was gratefully received and formed the basis of policy decisions. We needed a villain, someone identifiable for the public to latch on to, and we got one."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/04/wirq04.xml

[Snivi Yllom]

213. this is very good news

Long overdue. He was a piece of human trash, responsible for the deaths of hundreds.

Osama remains alive to join Zarqawi.

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[Snivi Yllom]

247. this is a psy ops creation?

take off your tin foil hat and see reality in it's full ugliness

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/08/D8I3VFVO3.html

Attacks, Kidnappings Claimed by Al-Zarqawi
Jun 08 6:11 AM US/Eastern
Email this story

By The Associated Press
Major attacks, killings claimed by Jordanian terror suspect Abu Musab


al-Zarqawi and his followers:



2005:

_ Dec. 27: Volley of rockets fired from southern Lebanon into Israel.

_ Nov. 9: Triple suicide bombing against hotels in Amman, Jordan, killing 60.

_ Aug. 19: Rocket attack in the Jordanian port city of Aqaba, killing Jordanian soldier. One Katyusha rocket lands in neighboring Israel _ causing no casualties _ and another misses a U.S. Navy ship docked at Aqaba.

_ May 7: Two explosives-laden cars plow into an American security company convoy in Baghdad, killing at least 22 people _ including two Americans.

_ Feb. 28: Suicide car bomber strikes crowd of police and Iraqi National Guard recruits in the southern city of Hillah, killing 125 people.

2004:

_ Dec. 19: Car bombs tear through funeral procession in Najaf and main bus station in nearby Karbala, killing at least 60 in the Shiite holy cities.

_ Oct. 30: Body of hostage Shosei Koda, 24, of Japan, is found decapitated in Baghdad, his body wrapped in an American flag.

_ Sept. 30: Bombings in Baghdad kill 35 children and seven adults as U.S. troops hand out candy at the inauguration of a sewage treatment plant. Al-Zarqawi's group claims responsibility for attacks that day, but it is unclear if these include the explosions that killed the children.

_ Sept. 16: British engineer Kenneth Bigley, and U.S. engineers Jack Hensley and Eugene "Jack" Armstrong kidnapped in Baghdad. By Oct. 10, all three men have been confirmed beheaded.

_ Sept. 14: Car bomb rips through a busy market near a Baghdad police headquarters where Iraqis are waiting to apply for jobs, killing 47.

_ Sept. 13: Video purportedly from al-Qaida in Iraq shows Durmus Kumdereli, a Turkish truck driver, being beheaded.

_ Aug. 2: Video from followers of al-Zarqawi showing shooting death of hostage Murat Yuce of Turkey.

_ June 29: Bulgarian truck drivers Georgi Lazov, 30, and Ivaylo Kepov, 32, are kidnapped. Al-Zarqawi's followers suspected of decapitating both men.

_ June 22: Kidnappers behead South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il; Al- Jazeera television says the killing was carried out by al-Zarqawi's group.

_ June 14: Car bomb attack on a vehicle convoy in Baghdad kills 13, including three General Electric employees.

_ May 18: Car bomb assassinates Iraqi Governing Council president Abdel-Zahraa Othman.

_ May 11: Kidnapped American businessman Nicholas Berg is beheaded while being videotaped, and the voice of the knife-wielder is identified as al-Zarqawi's.

_ March 2: Coordinated blasts from suicide bombers, mortars and planted explosives strike Shiite Muslim shrines in Karbala and Baghdad, killing at least 181. U.S. and Iraqi officials link the attacks to al-Zarqawi.

2003:

_ Aug. 29: Car bomb in Najaf kills more than 85 people, including Ayatollah Mohammad Baqr al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

_ Aug. 19: Truck bombing of U.N. headquarters in Baghdad kills 23, including top U.N. envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello.

2002:

_ Oct. 28: Laurence Foley, a diplomat and administrator of U.S. aid programs in Jordan, is gunned down outside his home in Amman.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

265. Did you read post #211? n/t

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[Chimpeach]

215. "It's just a flesh wound!"

eom

[goondogger]

216. So I guess this means

that we've won and all the troops can come home now. Right?

[Richardson08]

220. Good riddance piece of shit.FU Zarquawi

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

221. Can't we just be a little happy...

that this thug is dead. Come on, he has beheaded innocent people while they screamed.

I dislike this admin just as much as the next person, and no this doesn't end the war and bring our troops home, but how is this not good?

[Marie26]

229. It is good news

I don't know if it'll make any dent in the insurgency, though. But one less terrorist killing US soldiers & civilians is a good thing. Good riddance.

[sui generis]

235. he was OUR boogeyman, not the be-all end-all of terrorism

and symbolic to us much more than to the "insurgents". It's far from over.

[Snivi Yllom]

249. sounds like the Iraqi's are generally very happy about Zarqawi's death

a sample:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-06-08T135606Z_01_L08202024_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-ZARQAWI-REACTION.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L3-International+NewsNews-3

Iraqis meet Zarqawi's death with joy, fear
Thu Jun 8, 2006 9:09am ET

By Ibon Villelabeitia

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A Baghdad baker gave out free bread and a school teacher in rebellious Falluja expressed hope the killing of al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would halt Iraq's "rivers of blood".

But other Iraqis lamented the death of Zarqawi in a U.S. air raid north of Baghdad as a great loss in the fight against American occupiers and some feared it would prompt reprisals.

"I hope his death will be a new page for Iraq," said baker Zuhair Yassin, 25. "He can burn in hell."

Isa Younis, a 66-year-old retired teacher, said: "I thank God and the Iraqi government for this huge gift. I don't know how I'm going to celebrate but I know that this is the happiest day of my life."

"I'm overjoyed. God willing this will be the end of all terrorists. I hope Iraq can now begin to stabilize now this pig is dead," said Qeysar Ahmed, a Baghdad shop owner as he watched Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki make the announcement in a televised news conference accompanied by U.S. officials.

The United States blamed Zarqawi, who had a $25 million U.S. bounty on his head, for the beheading of foreign captives and the death of hundreds in suicide bombings. His campaign is also believed to have played a major role in inflaming Sunni-Shi'ite tensions in the country.

But Dya'a Hassan, a 25-year old worker from Ramadi, capital of the Sunni rebel stronghold of Anbar province, said the death of Zarqawi was a blow to the resistance against invaders.

"I think Zarqawi's death is a big loss for Iraq because he made the Americans bow to the ground. The Americans lost many troops because of Zarqawi and his followers," he said.

In Baghdad, Ahmed Jabbar said in the central commercial district that Zarqawi's death would have little effect other than giving a boost to Maliki, who took office on May 20.

Maliki has promised to rein in violence which ends in dozens of bodies being dumped every day in Baghdad and has forced tens of thousands of Iraqis to flee their homes.

"I'm extremely happy he is dead because he was the world's worst criminal but I doubt this will change much in the present other than a morale boost," Jabbar said.


..................................................................

and it is and will be big news in the Arab world.............

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-08-arab-media_x.htm

After al-Maliki's news conference, the stations showed clips from al-Zarqawi's last appearance in a videotape aimed at rallying supporters. They also hosted analysts and experts to discuss the implications of al-Zarqawi's death.

"This is the most important news not only in the past few weeks but also for the next few weeks," said Nabil al-Khatib, executive editor of the Dubai-based satellite Al-Arabiya TV.

"Al-Zarqawi has been a key player not only in Iraq but also in the whole region. Therefore, his absence will have an impact on the course of political developments," he told The Associated Press.

[sui generis]

273. I don't suppose there are throngs of people lining up

for the cameras and reporters telling you they're unhappy about his death unless they were planning on a vacation at gitmo.

The al sadr militia is still running around executing people and we're still reporting it as "people impersonating police officers", like it was some random rabble of people who decided to play dress up.

Zarqawi had nothing to do with that. His death is just a minor inconvenience to people who were already somewhat embarrassed by him.

Optimism for "democracy to take root" based on his death is bordering on delusional at this point, but the mindless asswipes of Fox will just keep touting this as a turning point when it's damn nearly irrelevant.

People who blow up Americans and behead Americans aren't doing it out of love for a figurehead. They are doing it in a struggle for power, using guerilla tactics, and the painful truth is that we have never won a guerilla war and we won't win this one. We'll just slowly spin our way back out and claim that any resulting failure of democracy will be their fault for not controlling the insurgency and "sectarianism".

Sorry - this may have a been a goal for us, and particularly this administration, but it will have little impact on reality.

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[malmapus]

269. I'm happy, he deserved what he got as far as I'm concerned

I feel a little bit better for buddies stuck in this $hithole of a war that this guy is dead, now just need to get them and everyone else who is stuck over there back home!

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

337. LMAO, don't you just love those big "buts"! n/t

MKJ

[Blue Velvet]

222. Well if he's not *totally* dead, at the very least he's in his last throes

whoever "he" is/was

[Ganja Ninja]

225. I'm sure all the fighting keyboarders at freerepublic are ...

patting themselves on the back.:eyes:

[Roland99]

226. *FOURTH* time is a charm???

http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/11/20/zarqawis-dead-again-3rd-times-a-charm-eh/

[kegler14]

234. No one can guess

what effect this will actually have, but I for one am glad the scumbag is dead. Good riddance.

[sofa king]

236. How many times has Zarqawi died?

(2002), Zarqawi loses leg

(2004) Zarqawi grows leg back

March 4, 2004, Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead, killed in 2003

April 25, 2005, Zarqawi nearly caught in February, 2005

May 11, 2005, IRAQ: AL-ZARQAWI SERIOUSLY INJURED, SAYS IRAQI OFFICIAL

September 16, 2005, Zarqawi is dead, claims Baghdad imam, again killed in 2003

November 20, 2005, Report: al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Mosul

December 15, 2005, Zarqawi captured and released in 2004

Forgive me if I view today's "confirmation" of Zarqawi's death with a degree of skepticism.

[kegler14]

245. Apparently al Qaeda is now confirming

that he's dead.

[Amonester]

252. wOOLLFFFF!! wOOLLFFF!!

+ where the hell is bin forgotten?

wOOLLLLLLFFFFFFFFFFFFFF! :sarcasm: :banghead:

[MADem]

283. It's like that Patty Duke Show song

The pictures all look similar, but not quite the same. Noses, hairlines, jaws...subtle differences. Did this guy get fat, then thin, then fat, did he pluck his brows on occasion, did he modify his hairline, get plastic surgery??? Was he, indeed, a master of disguise??

Still, they're cousins,
Identical cousins and you'll find,
They laugh alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike --

You can lose your mind,
When cousins are two of a kind.

[Ravy]

238. Good. Can our troops come home now? (n/t)

[Undemcided]

246. This is a rare bit of good news.

n/t

[lonestarnot]

248. hmmmm. they had to do something. Everyone has quit watching MSM

but for Keef, Jon and Steven.

[ChazII]

250. An interesting

thread. When I heard the news, I first checked DU and then went to Shiachat. Here is what I learned:
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=85137

[Truthy Nessy]

251. There will be an increase in the Iraqi uprising with this death

The death of one man will not change the course of the Iraqi war. I laughed to see oil prices dropping. This only indicates the big oil boys do control the stock market. W and Cheney are oil boys and they need some points in popularity. Do I think those oil prices are going to continue to drop? Nope. I do suggest all you DU'rs buy gold because that is the only thing you can count on to go up.. Let me tell you Gold will be $1000 an oz within two years or less. Russia is now selling their oil in Euros and rubles. The death of the American dollar is nigh.

Also how many other humans were killed by this 1000 lbs of two blockbuster bombs. I saw the picture of the dead Z. He is intact- no injuries! wow. Amazing.

[IronLionZion]

257. Like he was ever alive to begin with

that buffoon on the video had no idea what he was doing, and the US media pointed that out. They reported, and I decided.

[JawJaw]

259. Oh NO

The Haditha shit's hittin' the fan so fast they're pulling out the trump cards. How bad do things have to get before they drag Bin Laden's entrails out of the freezer for the big distraction?

[ContraBass Black]

262. How many real bystanders were blown apart when this ghost was?

And why is the purported picture of the corpse's face framed?

[stevietheman]

266. ...but the insurgency continues....

I realize people here are not into believing this story, or even that Zarqawi existed at all, but certainly, no matter what, this is a temporary distraction (whether intentional or not). Not only will we not see the insurgency abated, we will see even more violence over there. This is because we created a martyr, whether real or not... the U.S. is trumpeting a dead Muslim leader. Our troops are now sitting ducks more than ever before.

[tjwash]

270. Again? This dude releases more video after his death than Tupac Shakur.

nt

[Spinoza]

272. Now THATS good news to start the day.

I hope that murdering SOB rots in hell.

[Left Coast Lynn]

274. This is the first confirmation by officials

The previous reports of his death all had a disclaimer.

[barb162]

275. good riddance to him

[Jack Rabbit]

277. I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but good riddence

Unfortunately, the sectarian hatred of which he took advantage will remain. The neocons will need a new bogey man in Iraq and they should have no trouble finding one.

[krispos42]

291. Yeah, it's not a tiny organization anymore

With a small organization, this might actually be more significant. But now, with autonomous Al-Quaeda-inspired cells multiplying like rabbits on Clomid the best we can hope is that the attacks for the next couple of months go down as the new leaders climb the learning curve.

[Jack Rabbit]

305. I don't even think it will go down for a couple of months

It will be a blip on the radar screen, if that.

[krispos42]

355. I wonder...

Do you think that the various people vying for "#1 most wanted terrorist in Iraq" will start a war against each other, trying to establish dominance? God, the numbers of people caught in the crossfire could be huge, not even mentioning the increased attacks on our troops as the insurgents try to establish "street cred".

Shit!

[GeorgiaDem69]

318. Agree wholeheartedly

[LibDemAlways]

279. What a transparent, shameless attempt to boost

the chimp's poll numbers and shore up support for the clusterfuck that is Iraq. Guess Zarqawi outlived his usefulness.

Wonder who their next bogeyman will be when the violence continues unabated. Anyone want to take bets that it's a shadowy terrorist from Iran?

[krispos42]

292. No, it will be a trio of leaders...

One from Venezuela, one from Iran, and one from the Democratic National Committee. Or have you forgotton that we're somethow terrorist-luvin' commie pacifists? Just ask any rightie talk-show host

[LibDemAlways]

280. Dupe.

[frogmarch]

281. Evil must have a face

to give people someone specific to hate in order to keep support going for the war. Supporters of the war are far fewer now, and it was time for bushco to heroically and spectacularly take out the Zarqawi icon. Add to that, how convenient that Zarqawi was heroically killed by our military just when the Marines are implicated in the Hadifa incident, one of several reported American military-perpetrated murders of noncombatants. At any rate, I have no doubt the Zarqawi icon will be replaced with a fresh one.

Anyone know how a DNA comparison was possible to determine that the remains are Zarqawi's? How was the original sample obtained?

[neuvocat]

293. Has anyone else seen the 60 Minutes profile on him?

I know that the Al-Zarqawi they had on there was a lot older than this dude.

[superconnected]

295. how many times can he die

This is only more propaganda to say they're making progress on the war on terror.

Bet they killed more people than zarqawi, just trying to get him.

[ekelly]

296. I'm curious to know.........

how long it took from bombing to showing the pic on tv.

The soldiers had to get to the site (don't know how far away they had to go to wait for the bomb and then for all the dust to clear). And that's assuming there was no resistance along the way.

They had to start digging and moving rubble.
Find him, drag him out, clean him up (his face was clean in that framed picture), take the pic, blow it up larger and frame it for tv.

Anyone else curious about the timeline here?

[sweetheart]

297. Gosh, good thing he didn't attack the USA directly...

like osama did, or he'd still be at large...
or perhaps the Republicans manufacture and slay their own bugbears
for elections and propaganda purposes.

Stalin is dead, long live stalin.

[HuffleClaw]

299. and we're supposed to believe this WHY ?

they've claimed to have killed him at least twice so far iirc. not that it would make one bit of difference if they did anyways.

[kevin881]

300. what a surprise. poll numbers are low, time to kill a terrahist.

the world is no more or less safe with him alive or gone.

[saigon68]

302. It's a new Phase of " WHACK A MOLE TIME"

http://www.jebikes.com/java/WhackAMole/

[lovuian]

303. I bet New Balance is happy!!!

:rofl:

[coalition_unwilling]

304. Marshall Zhukov DEAD (per Volkischer Beobachter)

For those who get it, bravo!

For those who don't, Volkischer Beobachter was a newspaper established by Hitler and the Nazis in 1923. Marshall Zhukov defeated the German army at Stalingrad.

This is my rather-lame attempt to deconstruct this baloney as the BS propaganda it so obviously is.

[newspeak]

306. okay, it's time to re-read 1984

cause I'm seeing too many parallels between this admin's MO and the book. If Z actually existed, it makes no difference other than he's dead. Besides being a martyr for some, there will be others that will take his place. It's like cutting a head off a hydra. This is the wrong way to end terrorism. It seems that some people would murder a quarter of our planet in the name of fighting terrorism, while creating more terrorists from said murders. You cannot end terrorism by using terrorism. Making war on other countries, killing innocent civilians, bombing infrastructures to kingdom come is not going to stop terrorism!!!!

[coalition_unwilling]

309. As a great sign I saw at an anti-war demo said,

"WAR = Terrorism x 1000"

N.B. This was at an anti-war demo in L.A. in Oct. 2001 to protest bombing in Afghanistan. It has stuck with me all this time.

The best sign I've seen recently was hand-lettered and simply said,

"I can't believe I still have to protest this shit."

[hawgsinspace]

310. Anti-war signs

I saw a great protest sign in 2003 that has stuck with me. It said in big red marker:

"Except for Fascism, Communism, Nazism and Slavery - War Never Solved Anything."

[coalition_unwilling]

313. I notice this is your first post. Are you suggesting that

war is actually a positive (under a theory of 'just war')? Just want to make sure I understand where you're coming from before responding.

There are certain times when I personally think war is a necessary evil, e.g., the U.S. Civil War and World War II. But most of the time, war doesn't "solve" anything and merely sows the seeds of an endless cycle of violence.

[LibDemAlways]

314. Does your post mean that it's ok for the American people

to declare war on the fascist Bush Crime Family to rid them from our midst and restore our democracy?

Enjoy your stay here. It's going to be short.

[TheWatcher]

334. And with that Pearl Of Wisdom, here's a Pro-War Sign just for you

Hope you get to see it before you are tombstoned.

[Lithos]

335. Oh yeah

Let's warp history, shall we? War is not something to be glorified in a way which you seem to think. First war has NEVER solved a social situation or problem such as slavery, poverty, terrorism or drugs.

Slavery? Seems the only time war was needed to solve it was when a bunch of proto-fascist Southern state nationalists felt it necessary to start a war to protect their own self-interests. (Sounds pretty Republican-lite to me). Elsewhere in the world, they dealt with the ending of slavery in a peaceful manner. England, Brazil, Europe, the Ottoman Empire, India, China, all ended it not thru war, but thru political means. Even Russia which had serfdom as their form of slavery ended it politically. So, peaceful resolutions, not war solved slavery.

Communism? I take it the Soviet Union went away as a result of military action? Of course not, the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe changed not as a result of war or as the Freepers think, Ronnie Rayguns bad-acting, but as the result of a long term degredation of economics. Had it come to a war they would have likely kicked our butt during most of the 50's and 70's. Course you are seeing a rise in the equivalent government again in Russia.

Fascism/Nazism? Yes, they lost wars they started, but look at places where they choose not to initiate a war, Argentina, Spain, most of Latin America. Was it war that drove them out? No. Then again, you've got countries such as Chile whose democratically elected government was overthrown by a Fascistic dictator fully supported by the Democratic United States.

Then again, you could always add Democracy to the list as well. The US lost Vietnam and lost it well before the peace movement had gained any substantial initiative. It Tet was in 1968, the peace movement was not signficant until the early 70's.

No, my friend, winning at war is a matter of will, determination, and economics. Ideology has nothing to do with it.

L-

[occuserpens]

316. Panyushkin on Zarqawi

2006-06-08 Panyushkin on Zarqawi

[XNGH]

319. The timing is very 'coincidental"

Nice that Zarqawi was killed ... but the timing is totally suspect. Watch and see Osamba
"found and killed" just before the election.

[FudgeBudgie]

320. yeah, that would like totally suck

A dead terrorist severs no heads.

[Thickasabrick]

321. Do all the pictures of dead Zargawi remind anyone of stories

from the old days when they use to put enemies heads on a pole/pike...like a trophy. I think it's kinda disgusting...kinda like Zargarwi's group waved around heads that they cut off. You would think we wouldn't go down to that level...but maybe it's just me.

[Megahurtz]

323. Good Fucking Riddance.

eom

[ShortnFiery]

324. Yep, fake or "on ice" terrorist with faux promises of increased ...

chocolate rations from Dear Leader.
We are so f**ked. :cry: :puke:

[Penndems]

325. Excellent news - one less murderer we need to worry about

Unfortunately, according to Dana Priest, the intelligence reporter for The Washington Post, al-Zarqawi has a couple of lieutenants trained and ready to replace him:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/06/01/DI2006060101347.html

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

326. Musab Zarq al-Abuwi waiting in the wings.

"Look Ma! I'm a star!"

:eyes:

[Rex]

328. Good

I hope the bomb landed on top of him and crushed his worthless ass, before it detonated. Honestly, I doubt this third time is the magic number. How many body doubles does this guy have (Saddam had around 3 or 4). Hell, maybe they really did get him, at a TRILLION dollars they should at LEAST be able to get him on the third try (and third time they've reported his death).

Won't help the poll numbers, EVERYONE knows we went into Iraq based in a lie.

[Thickasabrick]

329. I don't think this is a fake. Al Qaeda confirmed the death. They

denied the last one via Al Jazeera.....turns out they were right. I think they are celebrating him becoming a martyr now.

WaPo has a good article about the mixed reactions. Most of the Shites interviewed were really happy about this and hopeful this will lead to some stability. I hope it is true but I really don't think the bloody mayhem will end.

[ButterflyBlood]

336. welcome to hell you piece of shit n/t

[RCinBrooklyn]

349. I'm sure Osama is pleased, where ever he may be vacationing.

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