Turkey Refuses U.S. Request To Allow Attack On Iran From Turkish Base

[Pharaoh]

04/30/06 "YNetNews" -- -- Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said Sunday that his country refused a request from the United States to attack Iran from its Air Force base in Incirlik, despite the U.S. offer of a nuclear reactor, according to a report in Al Biyan.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12887.htm

[Trillo]

1. Now that's some irony.

We'll give you a nuclear reactor if you help us bomb their reactor.

[Drum]

2. I'm glad...thank you Turkey! nt

[Oversea Visitor]

18. You should be worry

You should be holding your sons and daughters you neice and nephew and hope the mad chimp get stop.

You should be looking at the HUGE troop build up by Turkey at Iraq border.
You should be asking why Saudi need China to sign defence pact.
You should look at all the arms deal Russia signing with Iran
You should be worry why arms flowing in without stop.

You should be worry stiff at the huge silence from so many countries and only China Russia talking.
You should be looking at what Pakistan saying
What India saying

You know what the rest of world saying on this issue. The people on the street
"FUCK US."
Do you want to wait until he attack then do something
Can you control events after he does
Can you retreat
Can you save all those lifes in Iraq
Can you stop your embassies being destroy worldwide
Can you blame the world when Americans in other countries get attack or killed
Can you say
WE ALL GONE FRIGGING NUTS.
:puke:

[gordianot]

24. Turkey and Iran share a common enemy the Kurds.

A Kurdish nation with oil is one of Turkey's worst nightmares. Iran and Turkey have basic understandings in regards to the Kurds. You are right the world has gone crazy, it will get worse.

[leftchick]

3. Why does the US need to launch attacks from Turkey?

Don't we have a lot of fucking ships in the persian gulf?

[havocmom]

9. Perhaps the Navy is not as agreeable to following illegal orders?

There seem to be more fundie religious influence in the Air Force.

[leftchick]

11. very true

The only thing that will stop an Iran attack now is a full out military revolt. :(

[Oversea Visitor]

25. Sunburn missile

Ships are like BIG IRON COFFINS

[Pavulon]

35. We used it as a drone

Rense is not a good source of info. We used it as a TARGET drone..

This platform, its telemetry and motor were a joint project between us defense companies and a russian company.

This source is dubious, there is no need to use anything in turkey. F-117 and b2's have the range to operate from other countries.

Smelly.

[Oversea Visitor]

39. Haha

go on and find out then haha :rofl:

Guess you talking about them as anti air missile :rofl:

Damn they are not anti air but anti ship missile

The anti air system is another different one all together :rofl:

Of course Sunburn missile not good for air.

Of course bombing Iran is simple
After that bye bye US :rofl:
A stupid person is a real thing >

[Karmakaze]

44. You did?

I bet the Russians would be glad to know that one of their most high tech antiship missiles, the SS-N-22 ‘Sunburn’ as NATO calls it, was nothing more than a target drone and was built by US companies.

Or maybe you are just full of it.

[mallard]

27. Re: "Why does the US need to launch attacks from Turkey?"

Could it be: that would bring Turkey into a new war in repsonse to counter-attacks against them?

Pretty good value when you think about it: bribe some dumb Muslims and get them to fight your wars for you.

[fshrink]

46. Two reasons:

Tactical: shorter distances means faster rotations and response-time.
Strategic: destabilize Turkey and Europe is dead in the water.

[xchrom]

4. well then -- in bushco world -- bomb them too.

[joemurphy]

5. Um...When did we decide to attack Iran?

Must have missed the decision amidst all the denials.

[Oversea Visitor]

17. Iran Freedom Act

Pass last week in Congress by 327-21
HR 282 I think.

Undeclared war started.
Only way to call a legalise REGIME CHANGE oversee by a mad chimp.

[MadMaddie]

6. So now the US will hand out Nuclear Reactors for favors...

the world is in trouble....

[CatholicEdHead]

13. We wanted to do it with Iran when the Shah was in power

It was none other than Cheney who wanted to help the Shah get nuclear power so they would stop using their fossil fuels for domestic power and put it all on the market.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2006/1586988.htm

The above link is a very good ABC Radio National (Australia) podcast on this history.

[MadMaddie]

14. Thanks for the link...

Funny how Cheney's name keep popping up!!!

[Sinti]

15. Then we can turn around and bomb them for having a nuclear program n/t

[mallard]

22. Re: what results do they claim to expect time ...

...and what results do they actually want?

The economic crunch resulting from $100/barrel oil is one major factor in the general response to the expansion of regional US-initiated war.

Because people will be demonstrating against many of their governemnts over undue hardship, a new age of authoritarian rule is what results for much of the world.

Thanks alot Mr 'Bring em on"!

[Pharaoh]

7. Oh Gawd Colbert was great on 60 minutes!

[Sinti]

8. Wild speculation and fantasy land, that's crazy talk from the Turks! n/t

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Take your damn head

out of bush ass. :puke:

Who is crazy Turkey or you :puke:

[alfredo]

20. The Turks Turned us down when we wanted to invade Iraq from

their bases. It's called being consistent.


On edit: I am no fan of the Turks. My family is Armenian. I have no love for the Turks but I do have to agree with them on this. Nothing good can come from helping bush. It could open them up for more terrorism and possibly war crimes charges.

[struggle4progress]

34. Wolfowitz in 2003 scolded the Turkish military for not overriding ..

.. the civilian government's refusal to let us launch Operation Iraqi Liberation from Turkey:


Wolfowitz Scolds Turks Over Failure To Back U.S.
Associated Press
Wednesday, May 7, 2003; Page A20
... He told private television CNN-Turk that he was particularly disappointed with the Turkish military. "I think for whatever reason, they did not play the strong leadership role . . . that we would have expected," he said in the interview, conducted Monday in Washington ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22884-2003May6?language=printer

[alfredo]

38. So if our military turns on bush, Wolfowitz will have no

room to complain.

[leveymg]

41. Live by the coup, die by the coup, Rummie.

"I think for whatever reason, they did not play the strong leadership role . . . that we would have expected," That could have been said about the U.S. military brass before the Iraq invasion. They're not going to be fooled again, Don.

[napi21]

10. We can only be thankful there are SOME straight thinking leaders

in the World, since OURS is completely NUTS!

[Robbien]

12. Change Iran to Iraq and it is 2003 all over again

Same headlines just one little letter of the alphabet is changed.

[Oversea Visitor]

16. Yeah

And they massing troops on Iraq border

Line in Sand or Iran
Does your monkey understand what he is trying to do

Does the media curtain protect him from news of all the deals happening worldwide
Does he not understand what Defence pact between China Saudi means

I think he does hence he expanding WAR on Terror beyond the countries involve
Oh yeah dumb monkey sending elites US force to US embassy to protect them :rofl:
What happen when mob turn ugly cause of mad monkey action
Yeah people get kill but me think special force will come home in casket and embassy burn to ground.
You really think those elite can save the embassy or stop hoards of angry people when you attack Iran bush.... YOU DAMN DUMB. The minute you kill one of the mob you sign death warrant for every single one in embassy.

What make you have such a HARD ON for IRAN. I dont know. But know this even if you draft the entire 290 million American YOU STILL LOSE. Sigh the entire world will turn HOSTILE on you. What a damn FUCK UP leader. What a damn FUCK UP country who willing walk the path to war.

[Canuckistanian]

21. So let me get this straight...

Shrub wants to prevent a country from building nuclear weapons and nuclear reactors by dropping a nuclear weapon on them.

And he wants to bribe another country to help him by giving them a nuclear reactor (that they could use to build their own nuclear weapons).

Sounds like a sound policy to me!

[gordianot]

26. It gets worse when you consider Iran and Iraq both fear a common enemy.

"The Kurds" One of those little disputes well under the radar ignored by *. They even cooperate in fighting Kurdish factions.

[Canuckistanian]

28. Yes, you're right

The Kurds ARE going to be a political force in the future. If "Kurdistan" happens, there will be a third dynamic in the area.

[gordianot]

29. Sorry I meant to say Turkey and Iran cooperate.

Of course Iraq is in Civil War which gives new meaning to asymmetrical warfare.

[Canuckistanian]

32. No, you're right

Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey all have Kurdish regions.

[cliss]

23. I'm not sure I believe this story...

Oh, I'm sure Mr. Gul is being sincere. I have no doubt that's what the US asked him.

It's just that it's a set-up by the US. The US is putting on a big show of attacking Iran.

The fact is: the US doesn't need Turkey to do attack Iran. The US already has aircraft carriers in the straits of Hormuz. It has plenty of bases closer to Iran. We already have troops right next door: in Iraq.

And think about it: Turkey is a muslim nation. Iran is muslim. Does anybody believe they would shut up if the US told them they were going to bomb a country they have good relations with?????

Besides, the US is not the only country that can offer them a nuclear reactor. Russia has been setting up the one in Iran. This story is bogus.

[Robbien]

30. By god I believe you are right

Just a propaganda campaign to put pressure on Iran and to molify the war hawks in their base.

Good call.

[cliss]

31. I didn't figure this out on my own -

believe me, I was every bit as nervous as everybody else when Washington started beating the war drums about 1 month ago.

But I recently read this article on From the Wilderness. Stan Goff explains why the US CANNOT bomb Iran.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012706_bombing_iran.shtml

[Robbien]

36. Thanks. Goff presents a good case.

also

"A stupid person is a real thing"

Have to remember that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. If we've stationed carriers in the Straits of Hormuz, we can kiss....

...them goodbye. No U. S. Navy commanding officer would place his surface command at risk by having them sail into such restricted waters.

IMHO, and if we're smart, the only naval assets we will sail through the Straits into the Persian Gulf to conduct operations against Iran will be nuclear subs carrying cruise missiles.

No surface navy assets will be permitted to sail into the Persian Gulf until all potential missile threats along the Iranian coast and a couple of hundred miles inland are neutralized.

All of the above is assuming that the NeoCon operation against Iran is cast in stone, and unfortunately, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Then again, I may be assuming that an attack against Iran would be in a conventional form, and that may not be the case at all. We've already heard His Chimpness spout off about having the right to use nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike, so that kind of attack cannot be ruled out.

The madness just continues to grow, doesn't it?

[HuffleClaw]

33. MEEP

ok, hypocrisy and lunacy aside, this pretty much blows out of the water bush's claims of 'we want a diplomatic solution', not that its really a big surprise. bush let slip their true intentions months ago.

[Stand and Fight]

40. History repeats itself!

Correct me if I am wrong, and I've not yet read through the replies to this thread, but didn't Turkey also refuse to play this role once before with Iraq? :shrug:

[lovuian]

42. That kinda tells ya America is going to get ready to bomb Iran

WWIII is coming Americans :nuke:

[leveymg]

43. The Bush Administration wants us to think war with Iran is coming, but

they can't actually execute it. Bushco's in no position to force the military to start a war in Iran that up and down the ranks the troops and intelligence officers know we can not win militarily and politically, in the same way we can't "win" in Iraq.

This is an elaborate pyswar campaign, and it is largely a partisan political one directed at the American people to get us into an hysterical war fever that the White House hopes will help the GOP in November. And, by those terms, the campaign is working.

We should not play into their game by proclaiming that the end of the world is nigh. That's just a role that's been programmed for the Left in this high-stakes political game.

I believe the best thing to do is to say this is BS. Say it loudly, and often, and maybe, maybe, the American people will see this for what it is: the crudest form of power politics.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. Interesting. Despite the track record of the NeoCon Junta, you....

...want us to think this story about Turkey is BS?

Do you seriously believe the NeoCons are playing a game?

[Rex]

48. Problem is; we've said that about everything Bush has done.

He doesn't have the power or authority...oh wait he does, well shit. Bush has more unitary power than any other president in our history. NO president has ever declared HUNDREDS of laws inapplicable to his administration. NO president has ever outed a secret agent in an act of revenge against their husband. NO president has ever enjoyed the total power of the patriot act one and two, war powers act, the level of a federal program/agency to spying on fellow Americans. Secret torture chambers and prisons in other countries.

[Rex]

47. Here's a nuke plant, now let us invade your neighbor.

Wow, what a fair deal... :eyes:

[Generator]

49. This administration is the best Mafia ever!

Should Turkey be afraid? I dunno...