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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:46 AM
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Death raises concern at police tactics/BBC (Are we a POLICE STATE yet)
I hope this qualifies as less than 12 hours old, I am too lazy to convert GMT

Last Updated: Tuesday, 21 March 2006, 10:13 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4803570.stm

Death raises concern at police tactics
By Matthew Davis
BBC News, Washington

The recent killing of an unarmed Virginia doctor has raised concerns about what some say is an explosion in the use of military-style police Swat teams in the United States.

Armed with assault rifles, stun grenades - even armoured personnel carriers - units once used only in highly volatile situations are increasingly being deployed on more routine police missions.

,,,snip...

Excessive force

Peter Kraska, an expert on police militarisation from Eastern Kentucky University, says that in the 1980s there were about 3,000 Swat team deployments annually across the US, but says now there are at least 40,000 per year.


What we find is that when Swat teams go out, shootings go down
John Gnagey
National Tactical Officers Association

"I have no problem with using these paramilitary style squads to go after known violent, armed criminals, but it is an extreme tactic to use against other sorts of suspects," he said.


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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:57 AM
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1. Note to criminals
When robbing convenience stores or snatching purses, dont forget your machine gun and body armor. The life you save could be your own. Also, it would be helpful to have your own armored personnel carrier for you and you buddies.
Oh and dont forget the :sarcasm: thingy.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:59 AM
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2. There's a reason they crack down on body armor sales.
Cops consider the stuff a much bigger annoyance than simply being armed...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:00 AM
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3. It does seem likely that this sort of thing could lead to an increase
in weapons sales.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:13 AM
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4. The arms race on the street..
is lot scarier to me than the arms race with the commies.
I remember when I was a kid the cops weren't afraid to get dirty. If you screwed up the first thing they'd do was kick your ass . (you can call it brutality if you like, I call it taking my licks, learning my lesson and spending the night at home) After they kicked the shit out of you, if they saw you again you'd get a really good ass kicking and a night in jail. If they had to deal with you after that you were fucked and going to jail no ifs, ands, or buts.
These days if you happen to be unlucky enough to have a run-in with the law (yes we all do stupid things) the cops are so freaked out, scared, and mostly LAZY that theres a good chance your going to get killed.
First it was pepper spray, then mace, then tazers, now its armored personnel carriers and machine guns. How long till they start calling in air strikes in troubled neighborhoods?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:25 AM
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5. Yeah, things started to change after the North Hollywood bank heist.
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 10:25 AM by bemildred
And the cops are not scared for no reason. It's like the old west is coming back. Private armies and the Sheriff being gunned down in the street. I think a lot of it is the drug war too. Would you like to go "investigate" a bunch of tweakers? Man, sometimes I just want to move someplace that is not completely nuts.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:14 AM
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6. They've turned the "protect and serve" police into the army
"How long till they start calling in air strikes in troubled neighborhoods?"

And the use of drones, robots and hi-tech weapons is just a logical extension of the principle of total control with no losses to the enforcer. I saw a bit of the protests in France last weekend and realized that kind of protest can't happen here. We are a police state.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:55 AM
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9. I long for the days of the....
do something stupid and get your ass kicked police.
Telling my mom I got beat up at school but never doing that stupid thing again was so much better.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:36 AM
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7. Sadly, the role of the "peace officer" has been transformed into...
that of a paramilitary force.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:39 AM
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8. Is there a US link for this?
Highly unlikely.

Ignorance is strength
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sgsmith Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:11 PM
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10. Link for what?
On another board that I frequent, one of the members posted about how his buddy from 5 years old was killed by the police the previous night. Basically, the victim was a optometrist who had gotten into low level bookmaking. After about a three month investigation, the victim was expecting a customer to pay off a debt, only the customer was an undercover police officer, accompanied by SWAT. A SWAT member "accidently discharged" his weapon, killing the optometrist.

In the six weeks since then, the police have not disclosed the name of the officer who fired the shot. The internal investigation has not been completed. Little or no information has come from the police, other than what they disclosed about the contents of the victim's house.

The Washington Post has recently editorialized about the shooting, along with a LTTE from the victim's parents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030701529.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701877.html

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:40 PM
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11. These SWAT teams are being used for everyday police work
Mods: I wrote this article and hereby give myself permission to reproduce in full.

Feature: The Misuse of SWAT -- Paramilitary Policing in the Drug War 3/17/06

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/427/swatmisuse.shtml

Just before dawn one August morning last year, a Sunrise, Florida, SWAT team moved into position outside its target. At a commander's signal, the team kicked down the front door and began its assault with paramilitary precision. Within seconds shots rang out, and within moments it was clear that the team had secured its objective and killed its target.


Was it a bank robber holed up for a desperate last stand? Was it a psychotic kidnapper barricaded with his hostages? Was it a tweaked-out ex-con with a grudge and an AK-47? Was it a foreign terrorist operative about to blow a landmark to smithereens? No. It was a 22-year-old bar tender who police had heard might be retailing small amounts of marijuana. He had a pistol permit -- a fact police knew -- and perhaps unsurprisingly, police claimed he went for his gun when a gang of masked, screaming, heavily armed men burst through his door in the pre-dawn darkness.

The Sunrise SWAT team left with the evidence: A couple ounces of pot, and a set of scales. And while Anthony Diotaiuto was dead as a result of the SWAT team's actions, not one of its members faced criminal charges or even departmental discipline. They had gone by the book, even if the result was a life snuffed out over a couple ounces of marijuana.

While the Sunrise incident was unusual in that it ended up with a young man dead, fatal outcomes are bound to happen when the aggressive tactics of SWAT are employed. There are numerous examples: Eleven-year-old Alberto Sepulveda killed by a SWAT team shotgun blast as he lay on the floor during a 2001 Modesto, California, drug raid. Alberta Spruille, a 57-year-old New York City woman who died of a heart attack after a SWAT team with the wrong address threw flash bang grenades into her apartment. John Adams, a 64-year-old Lebanon, Tennessee, man killed by a SWAT team when he picked up a shotgun to defend himself and his wife from masked invaders who kicked down his door in the middle of the night -- another case of the wrong address. And on and on.

All of the incidents above are examples of paramilitary policing run amok. Whether they are called SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) teams, Special Operations teams, Emergency Response Teams, or something else, paramilitary police units are now common throughout the country -- and are the stuff of fawning reality TV programming. The heavily-armed, often black uniformed, helmeted, masked police squads look and behave as if they are chasing insurgents in the back alleys of Baghdad, and that is little surprise given their antecedents in military special forces units.

SWAT teams are designed for use and are arguably appropriate in limited, extremely dangerous circumstances, such as capturing armed, barricaded hostage-takers. But they are now widely used for run of the mill drug raids and other routine law enforcement work. In the last month, SWAT teams have been used to arrest seven Tibetan Buddhist monks on immigration charges (Carter Lake, Iowa), raid an apartment above a busy restaurant owned by the mayor only to find less than an ounce of marijuana (Denver), search for a missing woman in a well-publicized case (Orlando), and to conduct a routine drug raid on a house they managed to set on fire with flash bang grenades (Pompano Beach, Florida). A few weeks earlier, in late January, a Fairfax, Virginia, SWAT team shot and killed an unarmed optometrist under investigation for gambling when he walked out his front door. Those are just the examples that make the news.

Across the country, seven days a week, SWAT teams are kicking down doors on drug raids that don't make the news -- it's just business as usual. In a scene undoubtedly repeated across the country, in Huron, SD, last month, a multi-agency SWAT-style team investigating an apartment house where a multi-pound package of marijuana being surveilled by police had previously been refused, burst into one apartment with guns drawn, knocked the female inhabitant to the ground, handcuffed the male inhabitant for three hours while they searched the premises, and came up with a couple of marijuana pipes. It being South Dakota, police were also able to order the inhabitants to submit to drug tests and were able to charge them with "internal possession" of drugs based on those tests, so they didn't come up completely empty-handed.

"This is an under the radar, but truly massive phenomenon," said Dr. Peter Kraska, professor of criminal justice and police studies at Eastern Kentucky University and author of "Militarizing The American Criminal Justice System: The Changing Roles of the Armed Forces and Police."

"Very few people understand the magnitude of what it means to have police go from enforcing the drug laws through traditional undercover operations to a paramilitary approach where they gather together in heavily-armed squads and conduct crude investigations using search warrants to get inside people's homes," Kraska told DRCNet. "This has not happened before in American history, except way back when the military was looking for contraband."

According to statistics uncovered by Kraska, there were some 3,000 SWAT team deployments a year in the mid-1980s. By the late 1990s, that number had increased ten-fold, to some 30,000 a year, and is probably near 40,000 a year now. The resort to SWAT teams has also spread from large urban police departments to such violent crime hot spots as Grand Island, Nebraska, Bullhead City, Arizona, and Eufala, Alabama.

"We now have a situation where even in small departments, more than 70% have a fully functioning SWAT team," said Kraska. "The question is what are they going to do with them? It's highly unlikely these small-town departments are going to run into a legitimate hostage or barricade situation, so the departments have to figure out a way to use the SWAT teams, something to use them for."

"I think this is an example of build it and then you have to find a use for it," said retired Detective Lieutenant Jack Cole, a 26-year veteran of the New Jersey State Police who is now executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. "SWAT tactics are appropriate when you have a life and death situation, but they are being used when they simply are not necessary. When I was a drug detective, one partner and I would go and arrest people when now they're calling in the whole SWAT team. Back then we did it better and did it quietly without people getting hurt. I worked narcotics for 14 years, and we never needed a SWAT team," he told DRCNet.

"This has all happened in a decade or so," said Kraska, "and it represents a fundamental shift in how police approach the drug war. In fact, it is the single most important indicator of them handling it as though it were a war as opposed to a drug problem. They are using teams modeled on military special operations squads, and even though they have different rules of engagement from the military, they are still using highly aggressive tactics for generally low-level drug use and dealing. SWAT teams place themselves and citizens in an extremely dangerous situation and not for justifiable reasons like a dangerous felon with a hostage, but for a few people smoking pot."

"Using SWAT teams to enforce the drugs laws is, in most instances, like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer," said Cole. "It's not necessary and it's very expensive. That's part of the problem. Departments equip these people at great expense and train them and train them, and then the departments figure they should use them for something, but they are really only appropriate in very limited circumstances."

SWAT teams come dangerously close to crossing the bright line separating law enforcement from military operations, Cole said. "There is something about training a police officer to go to war that I don't like," he said. "We're police, not soldiers, but we've got these guys dressed in black from head to toe, wearing body armor and riot helmets, carrying superweapons -- and we're using them for drug raids and walking the beat. This is a real warlike mentality that we don't need as far as I'm concerned."

Many departments allow SWAT team members to hide their identities. "Why on earth do these departments allow their SWAT teams to wear ski masks?" Cole asked. "That's just horrible. It intimidates and terrorizes people, and it hides your identity so you can do anything you damn well want. What do you think happens to kids traumatized by a dozen masked, uniformed strangers charging into their homes with machine guns and laser search lights running across their chests? Why do the good guys feel they have to wear masks? They're treating American citizens as if they were enemy combatants."
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:31 PM
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12. Hmm, little interest in paramilitary policing on this list, I guess.
So I'll post a response just to kick this up the page.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:36 PM
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13. Remember Katrina? Troops given orders to "shoot to kill"?
I really thought we were on the verge of a revolution at that point, as apparently some in New Orleans decided to resist. We never hear about any of those stories, but I remember hearing that Blackwater mercenaries (of Fallujah fame) were in New Orleans and were behaving very aggressively toward indigenous people.
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Genki Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:54 PM
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14. kick
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:55 PM
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15. this is truly scary
"These elite units are highly culturally appealing to certain sections of the police community. They like it, they enjoy it," he says.

"The chance to strap on a vest, grab a semi-automatic weapon and go out on a mission is for some people an exciting reason to join - even if policing as a profession can - and should - be boring for much of the time.

"The problem is that when you talk about the war on this and the war on that, and police officers see themselves as soldiers, then the civilian becomes the enemy."


They are recruiting the gung-ho types with hyped-up, testosterone-laden videos because they'll need those types around after the next disaster/terrorist strike/RNC convention. After Katrina people are not going to be so passive. Being a part of one of these units is not going to be about "to protect and to serve" but to shoot first and ask questions later.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:02 PM
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16. One of the hallmarks of the modern nation-state is that
it retains for itself a monopoly on the legitimate use(s) of violence: through the military and police. With Katrina, you have seen the privatization of this security function (through mercenary ventures like Blackwater). If the nation-state privatizes one of its defining characteristics, i.e., the use(s) of violence, then eventually the nation-state will start to wither on the vine (Grover Norquist's wet dream).

It makes me think we may be headed back to forms of social organization akin to the middle ages, when aristocratic families (like the Medicis) and city-states (like Venice) constituted autonomous power centers within the larger European context. In our case, the aristocratic families hardly need explication and for "city-state," one could substitute the corporation.

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:09 PM
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17. My thoughts exactly
although they are far from pleasant thoughts. The bulk of the national guard is off in Iraq creating a vacuum police can't fill during catastrophes like Katrina. The recruitment process they're using is no doubt to make up a force that consists of those who think like Philly's infamous John Timoney, who came right out and admitted he hated protestors' guts and then look at the Miami model: pepper spray, rubber bullets, tasers etc. Throw a few mercs in there who are accountable to nobody and you have a recipe for disaster the next time people take to the streets.
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mrgunguy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:21 PM
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18. This is why we have the right to own guns...
... to keep our police force and politicians honest.

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:29 PM
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19. Not really
Do you think a shotgun or a hunting rifle is going to do anything against a SWAT team with tear gas and military worthy weapons? Not a chance. This is simply a case of lunacy and callousness in the policeforce, coupled with fascist, reactionary and ignorant sentiment. Your .45 will do nothing against that, except make it easier for the cops to justify your death.

I think people should be allowed to have guns, by the way (safety is another issue).
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:23 PM
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20. It's not just the SWAT teams.
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 05:23 PM by BiggJawn
In my town, every-day patrol officers wear black "Tactical" gear, have their heads shaved, jumpboots with BDU trousers bloused, shirtsleeves rolled up 70's gay-bar-style to show off their huge ('roid-enhanced?) biceps, sunglasses at night...

"The problem is that when you talk about the war on this and the war on that, and police officers see themselves as soldiers, then the civilian becomes the enemy."

Yeah, they call us "Perps".

I'm 50 years old, white, middle-class-looking, not likely to trip any "profile trigger" and nothing gets my goose bumps going like seeing one of those Robo-Cop wanna-bees hanging around. Mutha fuckers.


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