Soros's foundation left 'paralysed' after raid

[stevedeshazer]

Moscow- Fifteen years since it started work in post-Soviet Russia, US billionaire George Soros's foundation has been "paralysed" after 50 camouflage-clad men seized its Moscow offices and removed computer records and archives.

Yekaterina Geniyeva, the head of Soros's Open Society Institute in Russia, told journalists yesterday that the raid, ordered by the building's owner ostensibly because of a dispute over rent, appeared to be politically motivated.

The raid, at about midnight on Thursday, came just days after Soros publicly criticized the jailing of Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky as "persecution" that would force business to submit to the state.

The organisation had lost all information on its 1,000 grant recipients.

source: http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=282302
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So is this why Soros, a prominent member of the Carlyle Group, now suddenly has it in for the Bushes? And, can a relationship be drawn regarding Poppy Bush and his recent visit to Russia to meet with Putin?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

1. Holy shit! They didn't waste any time.

This is TOO fucking obvious. Immediately after the Move-On donation as well.

[stevedeshazer]

3. It happened Thursday

Didn't the MoveOn donation happen later? Chicken-and-egg question.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

11. I have no idea when the donation

might have first been leaked. I'll bet we hear more about this.

[xxqqqzme]

2. wow, this is real

foil hat stuff. Conspiracy theorists start weaving!

[mobuto]

6. No, not at all

The OSI has long had a contentious relationship with certain Russian oligarchs and, although less apparent, also with the Putin crowd.

I know nothing about the real estate dispute with Soros' landlord, but I know where I'm from, few landlords respond to tenant disputes with their own private militias. Its pretty apparent this is political.

[demgrrrll]

8. There it is. This is hardball in the absolute extreme. The stakes are

huge. A little confusion though. I thought that Poppy was trying to intervene in the arrest when he met with Putin, if Soros protested
maybe Poppy was trying to push Putin TO arrest him. As always when
trying to figure out anything with the BFEE, who benefits.

[bobthedrummer]

64. Not tin foil hat stuff, but, REALPOLITIK.

eom

[Octafish]

69. Not funny. Soros knows Bush Sr. seriously screwed Russia's chances.

Soros knows Bush Jr. wants to make things worse with Pooty-toot.

Why? Because having the Soviets and the Commies serve as America's main enemy made possible the Cold War for 45 years. And that's what's good for the BFEE economy and its major shareholders.

You and I are cannon fodder. Hope you're still laughing in the Gulag.

[hang a left]

4. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=210004&mesg_id=210004

and lets not forget this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=211930&mesg_id=211930


It is all connected. The War of the World is On

[stevedeshazer]

7. Thanks

I had missed the first one. There's a lot going on here, but what exactly? Clash of the Titans, Carlyle-style?

[Tinoire]

44. Whoa! Bingo! Except that Putin isn't part of Carlyle

and will not let them do to Russia what they did to the rest of Eastern Europe. This is going to be some fun stuff to research!

What do you know about Russia and Carlyle?

[stevedeshazer]

92. Not much yet

But I'm learnin'.

[kimchi]

5. Maybe it is personal...

What in the world is going on here?

[Flying_Pig]

9. I have no doubt Poppy bush and the BFEE are behind this whole thing.

Soros is gunning for G.W., to the point of putting up millions to dethrone him. Poppy probably cut some kind of deal with Pooty, not only for Yukos' oil, but also to harrass Soros. Big evil is afoot.

[IndianaGreen]

10. No, this is a Putin thing

Putin has been cracking down on his critics, who are mostly young oligarchs.

[demgrrrll]

12. What are you basing your opinion on? Signs point to Bush involvement

if for no other reason than Poppy's recent meeting with Putin. Is there some link or is this just your gut feeling?

[Name removed]

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[demgrrrll]

16. Ok Ok you don't have to be so rude.

I have found over the years when people are sure of their postions they do not feel the need for that kind of behavior.

[mobuto]

18. And I have found over the years

that I don't have the time to debate nonsense.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. Funny you seemed to do that lots in the months leading up to the war

Now where are those WMD's??

[mobuto]

28. That's an excellent question

I always opposed the war, but I admit I was wrong on the threat I thought Iraq posed to regional stability.

In response to my being misled, I did what damned few DUers have done; rather than sit on my ass and whine, I quit my job and joined a major Democratic political campaign so we can finally make done with the current bunch of bums.

I am tremendously excited about what George Soros is doing, and I sure hope you are too.

Now what was your point?

[w4rma]

66. YOU ROCK, MOBUTO!

:toast:

[smirkymonkey]

82. Ummmm...Why?????

n/t

[Name removed]

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[mobuto]

91. My previous job

was poisoning the minds of the last few free thinkers on DU - the last free thinkers in the United States - so as to prepare you for assimilation. I was paid quite handsomly for it - I hold in my hand the deed to a 20,000 acre ranch outside Nasaryiah which I won in a no-bid Pentagon contract.


Really what kind of question was that, and what kind of answer were you hoping to get?

[newyorican]

108. The point is...

we all doubt you've had a *judgement* transplant, and the judgement you have displayed has proven to be flawed at a level that is inexcusable. The stupid war is not a little mistake that can be dismissed in a cavalier manner, it's a mistake that now has blood flowing as freely as the oil so many covet.

Now you reappear, admit your mistake in an off-hand manner, and try to pick-up where you left off.

In response to my being misled, I did what damned few DUers have done; rather than sit on my ass and whine, I quit my job and joined a major Democratic political campaign so we can finally make done with the current bunch of bums.

The reason "damn few DUers" felt the need to take that action is because "damn few DUers" were stupid enough to argue for war. Anyone that takes anything you have to say seriously now, is a "fool-me-twice" fool.

[mobuto]

119. Interesting

But I have to disagree. What I think this proves is that I am human. I can mistakes, especially when I'm being misled by my own government, by allied governments, and by the United Nations, all of which asserted, apparently falsely, that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. I would appreciate guidance from those enlightened DUers who are able always to differentiate truth from fiction, and who are, without exception, able to divine the correct the path of action. Please give me a list of their names, for such wisdom is hard to come by.

The reason "damn few DUers" felt the need to take that action is because "damn few DUers" were stupid enough to argue for war.

Well, I may well be stupid, but I can at least say that I never supported the war.

Anyone that takes anything you have to say seriously now, is a "fool-me-twice" fool.

That's nice.

[AWD]

115. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I always opposed the war

At least you can tell the truth after your shameless calls for bombings in Iraq.

[mobuto]

120. I am telling the truth

I always opposed the war.

Did I support getting rid of Saddam? Yes. Was I misled into believing he had weapons of mass destruction? Yes, as were a great many others, including Britain and Germany and France and the United Nations. But I never supported the Anglo-American invasion.


Recall something different? Fine. I would never want anybody to take anything I say on a grain of salt. Go and prove me wrong.

[Name removed]

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[mobuto]

125. Who pissed in your Cheerios, Mac?

"Opposed" my butt! You were arguing in favor of damned thing

No I was not. Never - not once in your wildest dreams - did I support the invasion. You want to make me out to be a liar? Fine. Prove me wrong. I have 5000-odd posts here, which is something. Surely in all those posts you can find one where I support Bush's invasion? And if you can't, well, then you can go perform a physical impossibility upon yourself.

BECAUSE you mis-takenly believed all of the Bush horseshit about WMD's

It wasn't just Bush horseshit: it was Domenique de Villepin horseshit, Mohammed el-Baradei horseshit, Hans Blix horseshit, Tony Blair horseshit. Not one international "expert" authority believed that Saddam had no WMD. So why the hell aren't you out on the streets calling for Hans Blix's head on a platter? He was no less wrong than I, except he was a hell of a lot more succesful at persuading folks to believe him.

But I have to say, I feel so glad to be back home at DU, where the folks are just so friendly and the posters are always infallible.

Quit being suck a pompous ass, sheesh.

Funny, a pompous ass would have been the last place I would have told you to stop sucking. But that's fine.

I'm sure that you're doing a bang up job too...

About as sure as I am that you're a cross-eyed glue sniffer.

That you supported the War regardless of what you say now.

Oh really? I'm sorry, but you're really going to have to put up or shut up.

[hang a left]

14. Please click on the links that I provided in post 4

This will give you all the backround you need.

[demgrrrll]

21. I did, your report indicates that Putin felt the person who was arrested

was a rival, so maybe Putin was involved. He was also
involved with the Carlyle group, so he would have had
some knowledge of the Bush family and the Bush family would
have had some connection with him, even if it was only
via Jim Baker. There are some dots that need to be connected, I never said I had all the answers and I did say there was some confusion but there do seem to be some connections here that need to be investigated.

[hang a left]

23. Demgrrrll, I am not attacking you at all. There is just much more

here than meets the eye. What is happening right now is very very frightening for the entire planet. It is bigger than ABB

[demgrrrll]

27. I didn't feel that way, sorry if it came out that way. Thanks for the

links, very helpful.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. I agree with your opinion on this matter. Too coincidental IMHO for...

...Poppy Bush to have not only resigned his position with the Carlysle Group but to have also met privately with Putin. And both events took place before Soros' Moscow offices were raided. My bet is that Poppy is doing everything he can and dedicating all of his time to saving Junior's bacon.

Not to fear, though...Soros' organization is quite large, and they are headquartered in New York, not Moscow. If you get the chance, look down toward the end of the thread and read my post on Soros and OSI.

[neuvocat]

17. There have been a lot of crackdowns

on news stations that have reported news considered less than favorable by Putin, so it could be part of a wider effort.

[Tinoire]

42. This is a without the shadow of a doubt a Carlyle thing

This is a Carlyle thing. The same people who wrecked Yugoslavia...

Putin and the BFEE have been at it for a while. Putin dumped the dollar shortly before 9-11 after a briefing from Tatyana Khoryagina where she unequivocally stated that Russia HAD to dump the dollar because certain forces were planning an attack on America that would cause it to fall.

Carlyle and Soros have been up to their neck in all of Eastern Europe- Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Belorussia... Asia also as you know... Afghanistan and Iraq also as you know.

This is truly bigger than ABB. Truly bigger than Democrats vs Republicans for both parties have been eaten away by that cancer (as you well know). We are in deep, deep trouble.

We all knew Bush couldn't see squat into Putin's soul...

Master chess player, KGB, brilliant guy... He's seen them coming for a while and Putin will outsmart them and their oily bag of tricks.

I am just so horrified that we and innocent people around the world are caught in the middle! The mind boggles and the heart breaks.

[Whoa_Nelly]

15. Trying to connect the dots...

Read this article:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/120903carlylerussia.html
<snip>
Analysts also questioned whether it would make any sense for a big oil major to risk billions at a time when Russia seems to be moving into a period of increasing political uncertainty.

"Why a buyer would take a minority stake in YukosSibneft before the elections and when the company is under pressure from the Kremlin is beyond me," Fenkner said. "It would be a pretty darn aggressive play."

Other sources with knowledge of Bush's visit, however, said privately that Bush would use the visit precisely to help clarify the uncertainty swirling around Yukos.

Yukos chief Khodorkovsky has become a leading Russian voice in the West in recent years. He was the first Russian oil baron to send crude directly to the United States -- Texas to be exact -- and was key in establishing high-level energy talks between both countries. He has also tied himself to the Rothschilds, one of the West's most influential banking families, and set up a fund -- the Open Russia Foundation -- to promote ties between former Cold War foes. Influential U.S. foreign policy guru Henry Kissinger sits on Open Russia's board, as does Lord Jacob Rothschild.


Help me out here...have been also looking at Putin's stance re: Iran and nuclear production, and have been wondering all along if Putin's stance has to do with having major power play on US for ME oil borders.

Whatever is going on is very, very strange. There have to be several dots to connect to complete the picture.

[demgrrrll]

25. Here is some information on Soros from Pravda, which I believe is

about as good as our media, ha maybe better right now!
<http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2003/08/09/49176.html> The reason I am linking this article is that there seems to be a similarity between open Russia and Soro's charity work.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Hold on. How can an organization based in New York be "paralyzed"...

...by a raid that takes place in Moscow? Here is Soros' corporate headquarters:

Open Society Institute
400 West 59th Street
New York, NY 10019, U.S.A.
Tel. [phone]
Fax. [phone]

I think it is highly safe to assume that New York has extensive back-ups on anything done throughout the world.

Here's more on OSI:

The Open Society Institute (OSI)
<http://www.soros.org/about/overview>

"OSI is a private operating and grantmaking foundation based in New York City that serves as the hub of the Soros foundations network, a group of autonomous foundations and organizations in more than 50 countries. OSI and the network implement a range of initiatives that aim to promote open societies by shaping government policy and supporting education, media, public health, and human and women's rights, as well as social, legal, and economic reform. To diminish and prevent the negative consequences of globalization, OSI seeks to foster global open society by increasing collaboration with other nongovernmental organizations, governments, and international institutions.

OSI was founded in 1993 by investor and philanthropist George Soros to support his foundations in Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. Those foundations were established, starting in 1984, to help former communist countries in their transition to democracy. The Soros foundations network has expanded its geographic reach to include foundations and initiatives in Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, Mongolia, Southeast Asia, Turkey, and the United States. OSI also supports selective projects in other parts of the world."

And here's a bio on Soros:

"George Soros
Founder and Chairman
George Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary on August 12, 1930. He survived the Nazi occupation of Budapest and left communist Hungary in 1947 for England, where he graduated from the London School of Economics (LSE). While a student at LSE, Soros became familiar with the work of the philosopher Karl Popper, who had a profound influence on his thinking and later on his professional and philanthropic activities.

The financier. In 1956, Soros moved to the United States, where he began to accumulate a large fortune through an international investment fund he founded and managed. Today he is chairman of Soros Fund Management LLC.

The philanthropist. Soros has been active as a philanthropist since 1979, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa. Today he is chairman of the Open Society Institute (OSI) and the founder of a network of philanthropic organizations that are active in more than 50 countries. Based primarily in Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union—but also in Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the United States—these foundations are dedicated to building and maintaining the infrastructure and institutions of an open society. They work closely with OSI to develop and implement a range of programs focusing on civil society, education, media, public health, and human rights as well as social, legal, and economic reform. In recent years, OSI and the Soros foundations network have spent more than $400 million annually to support projects in these and other focus areas. In 1992, Soros founded Central European University, with its primary campus in Budapest.

The philosopher. Soros is the author of eight books, including the forthcoming The Bubble of America Supremacy (PublicAffairs, January 2004). His other books include George Soros on Globalization (2002); The Alchemy of Finance (1987); Opening the Soviet System (1990); Underwriting Democracy (1991); Soros on Soros: Staying Ahead of the Curve (1995); The Crisis of Global Capitalism: Open Society Endangered (1998); and Open Society: Reforming Global Capitalism (2000). His articles and essays on politics, society, and economics regularly appear in major newspapers and magazines around the world."

[hang a left]

20. Nice fluffy piece on the "good guy"

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. It's his organization...what did you expect? I did notice one thing...

...he's against globalization, and the Bushies are into that big-time. He also dislikes what the Bushies are doing on a number of different levels and is willing to put quite a bit of his money where his mouth is.

Hey, if you don't like what's written on his company's website, find an opposing view and post it instead of dropping some weak one-liner and running off.

[hang a left]

29. Well I have been reading and discussing this topic for two days

now but I will have to borrow some information that has been discussed

This courtesy of Zhade

Guys - Soros is NOT a hero. Be very, very wary.


George Soros owned a third of Harken after Harken purchased Soros Oil, which happened after Arbusto was bailed out by Spectrum 7, which Harken later acquired. Harken, of course, had "extensive ties" with BCCI. Worth noting is that, according to Greg Palast, one of Harken's board members, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, accompanied Iran-Contra weapons dealer and middleman Adnan Khashoggi to "...a meeting with Saudi billionaires and Al-Qaeda's financial arm. In essence, Palast claims the Saudis paid protection money to the terrorists."

Soros invested $100 million with the Carlyle Group.

Last December he was tried - and convicted - in a French court for insider trading.

He's financed a lot of members of what research is revealing may be a corporate-controlled "Parallel Left" media.

He sits on the board of the Council on Foreign Relations, which also includes Vin Weber (chairman for the National Endowment for Democracy, which according to the New York Times "...funnelled more than $877,000 into Venezuela opposition groups in the weeks and months before the recently aborted coup attempt..." last year), John Deutch (on the board of Citigroup, Raytheon), Robert E. Rubin (director and chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup, on the board at Ford Motors), and Andrew Young (director for Archer Daniels Midland and the CAPPS-loving Delta), among others.

For a detailed look at Soros, read George Soros: Prophet of an "Open Society". He's not the white knight some of the higher-ups would want us to believe.

[Name removed]

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31. Also courtesy of Nolabels

The Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)


Hey sorry, I can't spell and I am always suspicious of people with money. This guy is in the thick of it with these folks, don't be fooled by him being muddy the waters so you don't get a good look at him, he does this on purpose.

BCCI was known as the spooks bank till it collapsed; Sorros had a big hand in that helping go that way. Just because he is one of the Bag Men does not make him any cleaner. He funded a lot of things and make them like they are, but at least look at some of the results after he packed it in and took his money.

Btw spell check works okay, just forgot to use it


Click on the that link above or just check some of these threads if you need more background on BCCI

Kissinger & BCCI spells BUSH & 9-11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323

Connect the Dots, America!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=133055

George W Bush connection to the BCCI scandal ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=157573

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32. Courtesy of Tinoire

Soros IS a Neo-Con. More refined but a Neo-Con nonetheless

Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 06:59 AM by Tinoire
He and his friends are scurrying to minimize collateral damage. His MO now is no overt wars, a careful amassing of power through education and the control of the press, no dangerous splits in the US/UK/Israel capitalist alliance, achieving victory through financial and trade blackmail.

Beware of thieves bearing gifts.

One mafia don running out another.

Carlyle, Carlye, Carlye... There is nothing to celebrate here... These people are exploiting our anger to retain their power.

The majority of Americans want Bush out and these guys know it. They can not afford to have us place a real choice of the people in office. We do not need their money to win this election. They need to buy us with their money to run a bunch of well crafted commercials to inluence the election process and eventually push their candidate They can not afford for one of their own NOT to be in office.

This is no gift...

The horse is at the gates of Troy.

If my life depended on these elections, I would slit my wrists now.

[hang a left]

33. Courtesy of Stevie D

On edit: Stevie D

On edit again: forgot to paste

Come on, you guys, get real


Do you guys have any idea who George Soros is and what he stands for?

He is part of the Carlyle Group.

<snip>
AN IMPORTANT TENET of journalism is that you should always ask, “Who benefits?”

In the case of a war, the answers to this question become of paramount importance. Suppose, for example, that profits from
military contracting were to go in the pockets of a former U.S. President whose son (and a presumed future heir) is now
President? Suppose further that such profits escalate in times of conflict. Wouldn’t this be of concern to the public? Wouldn’t
you expect the media to be all over such an important ethical (not to mention moral, and maybe legal) angle?

Though described by the Industry Standard as “the world’s largest private equity firm,” with over $12 billion under
management, chances are readers haven’t ever heard of The Carlyle Group. Isn’t that a little odd, considering it is run by
a veritable who's who of former Republican political leaders. Former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci is Carlyle’s chairman and
managing director (who, by the way, was college roommate of the current Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld). And that
partners in this mammoth venture include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III, George Soros, Fred
Malek (George H.W. Bush’s campaign manager, forced to resign when it was revealed he was Nixon’s “Jew
counter”), and—presumably—George H.W. Bush?

We say “presumably” because the privately-held Carlyle doesn’t have to reveal information about its partners or
investments to the SEC or to anyone else.

source: (from 2001) http://baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct01.shtml

____________________________________________________________________

This can't be good. Why do you trust this guy? Why are you all rejoicing because George Soros is willing to work against his
business partner in a struggle for control of Carlyle largesse? This helps how?

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34. and this from emad aisat sana

Soros was involved in the 1970s with Mahdi Al-Tajir


who became UAE ambassador to the UK, and was reputedly at that time the 'second wealthiest man in the UAE' after persuading the Al-Maktoum ruling family of the Emirates to be their front man for "foreign investment applications". Al-Tajir was the lynchpin between BCCI's Aga Hassan Abedi and Kissinger and was the first to offer them 'banking facilities' in the UAE.

He also bankrolled an Iraqi called Sabih Mahmoud Shukri in the early 1980s into financing a scam outfit in London that called itself Allied Arab Bank. This was initially a partnership between failed UK bankers Johnson Matthey and Barclays Bank. A series of international frauds led to its closure and revealed a network of corrupt partners from Nigeria and Pakistan who were laundering money via Channel Islands offshore accounts, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and various tax havens in the Carribean.

Previously Shukri had been the London manager of the Jordanian - based Arab Bank, whose principal shareholders and directors were the Shoman brothers. Much has been documented about their interests in facilitating the flow of Palestinian funds into the accounts of radical terrorist organisations in the late 1960s through to the 1980s.

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35. more from Nolabels

My guess is Soros has a beef with * but also is looking to cash in

Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 06:34 PM by nolabels
He seems to be one them folks who can figure out how to cash in on popping bubbles and other people lossing out

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-global/2003-March/001016.html

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/03/13/200303
13003
3.asp

The Bubble of American Supremacy
by George Soros

2003 The Korea Herald

As American and British troops prepare to invade Iraq, public opinion
in these countries does not support war without U.N. authorization.

The rest of the world is overwhelmingly opposed to war. Yet Saddam
Hussein is regarded as a tyrant who needs to be disarmed, and the
U.N. Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441 which
demanded that Saddam destroy his weapons of mass destruction.

What caused this disconnect?

Iraq is the first instance when the Bush doctrine is being applied,
and it is provoking an allergic reaction. The Bush doctrine is built
on two pillars:

(1) The United States will do everything in its power to maintain its
unquestioned military supremacy; and

(2) the United States arrogates the right to preemptive action.

These pillars support two classes of sovereignty: American
sovereignty, which takes precedence over international treaties and
obligations, and the sovereignty of all other states. This is
reminiscent of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm': All animals are equal,
but some animals are more equal than others.

To be sure, the Bush doctrine is not stated starkly; it is buried in
Orwellian doublespeak. The doublespeak is needed because the
doctrine
contradicts American values.

The Bush administration believes that international relations are
relations of power; legality and legitimacy are mere decorations.
This belief is not false, but it exaggerates one aspect of reality to
the exclusion of others. The aspect it stresses is military power.

(snip)

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

George Soros (born August 12, 1930) is the son of the Esperanto writer Tivadar Soros. In 1946, George Soros escaped Hungary for the West by participating in an Esperanto youth congress. His is famous as a currency speculator and a philanthropist.

Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. In 1956, he moved to the United States. He is the chairman of Soros Fund Management and of the Open Society Institute.

Soros became instantly famous on September 22, 1992, when, believing the Pound Sterling was overvalued, he speculated heavily against it. The Bank of England was forced to withdraw the currency out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, and Soros earned an estimated US$1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England." In 1997, under similar circumstances, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of bringing down the Malaysian currency, the ringgit.

Despite his carefully groomed media image, Soros is a controversial figure because on the one hand, as an international investor and currency speculator, he has become extremely wealthy (his fortune in 2000 was estimated at US$ five billion). On the other, he freely acknowledges that the current system of financial speculation undermines healthy economic development in many underdeveloped countries.
(snip)

on edit: a few more click through links in the last link, they are only visible on that page though

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38. And more from the great Tinoire

Tons in the DU archives- awful stuff. DEMOCRACY SOLD 2 the HIGHEST BIDDER


total destabilization of Indonesia
meltdown of the Asian economy beginning with the collapse of the Thailand baht & quickly spreading to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, South Korea.

Also the looting of the Russian economy, Ukraine and Belorussia

All of it under the guise of Democracy. I wish I hadbookmarked that recent LBN article about the young Czech kid who burnt himself alive and left a letter thanking us Americans for this "wonderful" democracy we brought to them.

Lasy year he was fined $2m for insider trading by a court in France.

Soros, who has or had business ties with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the Carlyle Group, the CIA's Radio Free Europe, Wesley Clark, Richard Allen and George W. Bush (through Harken Energy), is not a friendly, tree-hugging, progressive out to save the world. He is the fist in a velvet glove to the Neocons' baseball bat across the nose. OCTOBER 20 , 2003 BEYOND BUSH II by Michael C.
Ruppert Peak Oil Dominates http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

Here's some more on this wonder hero some Democrats are ready to sell our soul to:

At Human Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, US assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-89, and now a fellow at the interventionist Council on Foreign Relations; ex-ambassador Warren Zimmerman (whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break-up of that country); and Paul Goble, director of communications at the CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds). Soros's International Crisis Group boasts such "independent" luminaries as the former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Richard Allen, as well as General Wesley Clark, once Nato supreme allied commander for Europe. The group's vice-chairman is the former congressman Stephen Solarz, once described as "the Israel lobby's chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill" and a signatory, along with the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a notorious letter to President Clinton in 1998 calling for a "comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime".

Take a look also at Soros's business partners. At the Carlyle Group, where he has invested more than $100m, they include the former secretary of state James Baker and the erstwhile defence secretary Frank Carlucci, George Bush Sr and, until recently, the estranged relatives of Osama Bin Laden. Carlyle, one of the world's largest private equity funds, makes most of its money from its work as a defence contractor.

<snip>

So why is he so upset with Bush? The answer is simple. Soros is angry not with Bush's aims—of extending Pax Americana and making the world safe for global capitalists like himself—but with the crass and blundering way Bush is going about it. By making US ambitions so clear, the Bush gang has committed the cardinal sin of giving the game away. For years, Soros and his NGOs have gone about their work extending the boundaries of the "free world" so skilfully that hardly anyone noticed. Now a Texan redneck and a gang of overzealous neo-cons have blown it.

<snip>
As a cultivated and educated man (a degree in philosophy from the London School of Economics, honorary degrees from the Universities of Oxford, Yale, Bologna and Budapest), Soros knows too well that empires perish when they overstep the mark and provoke the formation of counter-alliances. He understands that the Clintonian approach of multilateralism—whereby the US cajoles or bribes but never does anything so crude as to threaten—is the only one that will allow the empire to endure. Bush's policies have led to a divided Europe, Nato in disarray, the genesis of a new Franco-German-Russian alliance and the first meaningful steps towards Arab unity since Nasser.

Soros knows a better way—armed with a few billion dollars, a handful of NGOs and a nod and a wink from the US State Department, it is perfectly possible to topple foreign governments that are bad for business, seize a country's assets, and even to get thanked for your benevolence afterwards. Soros has done it.

<snip>
http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm

PROFITEERS OF EMPIRE –
CHENEY, SOROS, AND CO.

<snip>

Now don't get the wrong idea: the profiteers of globalism are by no means exclusively Republicans. I may have a special animus toward the Republican variety, as I'll readily admit, but the Cheney-Halliburton connection is small potatoes compared to some of the big boys, like George Soros. While Halliburton's subsidiary, the engineering firm of Brown and Root, has the contract for building the extensive infrastructure required by US troops in the Balkans, Soros has set himself up as the official banker and chief investor of the region – under US government auspices and with US taxpayers money. Soros Fund Management LLC is investing $50 million in a project to aid business expansion while the US Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) – an agency of the federal government – will put up another $100 million in "loan guarantees." At an official ceremony inaugurating the program, Soros declared ``Of all the people present, I'm the most nervous, because I actually have to deliver.''


DELIVER US FROM EVIL
But it was NATO that delivered first. Soros was a key figure in the propaganda campaign leading up to the Kosovo war, first through his financing of the American Committee to Save Bosnia and a whole bevy of groups, many of them militant Muslims, preaching intervention in the Balkans on behalf of "human rights" The Soros propaganda machine ceaselessly agitated for war with Serbia, and when it came he and his pet "human rights" activists applauded the longest and the loudest. Now that NATO has come through, Soros must "deliver" – that is, create profits for himself and his investors. While known as a philanthropist, if a highly eccentric one, Soros emphasized that his fund would practice "tough love" and, in the words of the Bloomberg News report, "be driven purely by profit." To the victor goes the spoils.

THE PROPHET MOTIVE
But all of us are driven by profit, even the ascetic Ralph Nader and the hermits who mortify the flesh and live out in the desert – for there is such a thing as a purely psychic profit, that is a value that is not monetary but which exists in our minds nonetheless: religion, obligation, love, revenge, or any number of other purely human motives, both sacred and profane. Through his Open Society Institute (OSI), which has insinuated itself into academia, government, and every level of public discourse, Soros has poured his fantastic wealth into causes as various as cheerleading US intervention in the Balkans, funding Arianna Huffington's three-ring "Shadow Convention," and calling for drug decriminalization – and he reaps his psychic profit, i.e. the personal satisfaction of seeing his ideas take root. With branches throughout Europe and Asia, OSI preaches a "free-trade" version of international socialism, a universalist creed hostile to the idea of national sovereignty. He for some reason is particularly concerned with the problem of how to manage international monetary institutions via a single centralized authority, a world central bank run by global economic planners. In spite of the fact that he made his fortune as a speculator who famously broke the Bank of England, Soros has denounced laissez-faire in a very boring book, and has also called for international regulation that would prohibit the very activities that have made him one of the richest men on earth.

<snip>

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j073100.html
==================================================================

More on Bushladen Carlyle Group:
George Soros & James Baker are part of the Family


The first Bushladen article can be found at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm

Baltimore Chronicle
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct01.shtml

Soros...And people jumping up for joy... I hate to piss on a parade but Good-bye Democratic Party. Sold to the highest bidder. The neo-cons will have won.

Soros's actions with Harken and Kanputun Oil, The Carlyle Group, and the Quantum Fund --- quite interesting reads... Should horrify any DUer.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. No doubt about it...Tinoire comes up with some great info.

[Tinoire]

45. Stop- you two are making me blush!

:loveya: Love a person who's sincere and really wanting to know.

[lostnfound]

53. Thank you. Raises great ?? about the cart of wealth & horse of morality

If one acquires a certain amount of wealth, it's much easier (perhaps otherwise impossible) to multiply it by throwing one's principles to the wind.

Is Soros in his heart a good man in a bloodied green suit? Can a person work to aggrandize more wealth and power with the intention of doing good? A question fit for fairytales and proverbs.

We cannot look on this man as a hero or a 'white knight'. But maybe it is a mistake to reject or vilify him, either. It's up to us, the people, to make sure that he joins our cause, not that he builds a bandwagon and takes us down another road. If we (the people) create great organizations..and he wants to join in our cause..as happened with Moveon?..

It can seem to the ordinary person that once a heavyweight like Soros gets behind "their" cause -- dumping Bush -- it's okay to sit back and let the big dogs battle it out. But I think of "chaos theory" or the butterfly effect..there a huge forces at work, but the influence of the smallest ones is often the deciding factor.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Thanks! Unlike quite a few posters on DU, you actually delivered...

...when challenged. In my book, that's a good thing.

I had an uncle who died a few years ago, and in the ten years before he died he was in and out of the hospital. I'd visit him when I could and one time I told him that he was looking pretty bad. His response was "I may be looking bad, but it's better than the alternative.". I really believe that's the situation in which we currently find ourselves.

Yes, I'm well aware of Soros' background and his associations. And yes, I agree, he's no white knight. But what we have right now is the alternative to Soros, and that's far worse, IMHO.

[demgrrrll]

37. As much as I would like to like Soros to be the knight who rescues

the world from the BFEE I must admit he is a mixed bag.
This is getting more and more like the Matrix, what reality can you live with? I wrestle with letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and I want Bush out so badly I seem to be willing to grasp at whatever straw presents itself. We'll see I guess.

[Fovea]

77. I am not looking for a White Knight

A Black Prince is more what the situation requires.
In fact, we need a freakin John Hawkwood, or Gian G. Visconti
on our side. Big pockets, sleeps better at night knowing his enemies are bleeding in a back alley somewhere, not above sticking someone's head on a pike when that is required.

I would work with Soros in a heartbeat. He is making money in what he admits is a bad way to do it. Who else is likely to improve it when the current global oligarchy gets blown up/voted out?

He also seems to hold the American character in higher regard than Bush.

[Classical_Liberal]

51. That is just not true

soros has denounced the neocons. http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=1246722003

He calls them a supremicist ideology.

[Tinoire]

67. You trust a written word for Soros? It would be like trusting Kissinger's

writing.

Condi, Bush, Perle, Wolfowitz have a ton of stuff in writing also and all of it denouncing the "evil ones". I don't believe that either.

Actions speak louder than words.

[Classical_Liberal]

97. I don't believe the sources you've used.

. No offense but i just don't believe them. They haven't referenced any of their claims either. One particular person on this thread says Soros prevents real people like Castro from showing up. Well I am not fan of Catro. His government is a dictatoriship with no Constitution and I don't want it. I think that is why some leftists are bashing Soros. The only reason this element hasn't bashed your guy Kucinich is because Kucinich doesn't stand a chanse of winning.

[mobuto]

36. Soros invested $100 million in the Carlyle Group?

Sounds like he's a very smart man indeed.

If I had $100 million to invest, I'd probably park it there too.

Just because the folks running it are bad news, doesn't mean it doesn't generate massive amounts of income. Money doesn't smell.


He sits on the board of the Council on Foreign Relations, which also includes Vin Weber

If everybody on the board of the Council of Foreign Relations is a virgin-sacrificing Devil worshipper, I suppose you would similarly indict Richard Holbrooke, George Mitchell and John Deutch? Huh?

Now you have a problem with Bob Rubin? Really? The greatest Secretary of the Treasury certainly since Gallatin, possibly ever?

I'm afraid I don't understand where you're coming from or what you're trying to argue. You've just succesfully associated Mr. Soros with some of the greatest Democratic minds extant, and you expect that to serve as a liability on this forum?

[Tinoire]

43. Well then you better head to the other Soros threads and read up

Most people would re-think that statement.


Money does smell. Oftentimes it downright stinks. It stinks so much it was one of Soros' "Human Rights Groups" that whipped up the report published in Newsweek that if we went to war against Iraq, the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and would welcome even welcome an occupation afterwards. Shiver about all the Democratic candidates who are not against the occupation of Iraq! It is expected that all those politicians and patriots who were for this war would welcome this news- I do not. It makes me want to weep for my country.

Soros... the man who shattered the Bank of England making 1 billion in a day.

The man who dumped all his tech stocks in one day bankrupting countless Americans. Did you have any of those tech stocks? Or any money that went swoosh down the stock market these last few years? Thank God I'd withdrawn mine after careful anaysis of what Soros and his Carlyle friends were up to. Remember that Carlyle meeting in Saudi Arabia that James Baker abruptly left in 1999 to make sure Selection 2000 happened the way it did? Soros was present as was Carlucci as was Majors and all the Carlyle big-wigs. I somehow don't think they were playing Canasta at the time.

Soros, the man who is pushing for 1 World Bank to go with the New World Order. Carlyle's transaction manager. No thank you. George Soros stinks.

Between a smart thief (Soros) and a stupid thief, I'll take the stupid one any day. The stupid one gets caught.

Soros and the other money pigs can keep their money. At a time when most Americans are going to vote Bush out with no prompting, we don't need Soros to pretend he's helping 'oust' the evil-doers when all he's doing in reality is manipulating an election in his own war-mongering interests.

He brought us Yugoslavia and Iraq. What a joke to pretend Soros hates Bush his good Carlyle buddy. The only thing Soros is a wee bit peeved about is that that drunken frat boy is giving away his game.

[SahaleArm]

49. Tech companies failed because of Soros?

Wow, which episode of X-Files was that on? And here I was thinking it was due to investing in sh*tty business plans.

Did you have any of those tech stocks? Or any money that went swoosh down the stock market these last few years? Thank God I'd withdrawn mine after careful anaysis of what Soros and his Carlyle friends were up to.

You should be worth millions, I hope you shorted the hell out the market when knew it was going to fall:).

[Tinoire]

68. Yeah I sold. Gently sold about 5 weeks before Soros made his move

and put them somewhere where I was ahead of these guys but I did not dump.

X-files? Dude do some research instead of belittling. You like the guy for whatever reasons and buy his charade but if I recall you also bought the entire WMD charade and thought this war was justified.

Just start googling. I posted an article from the street about this in one of the 2 Soros threads. Just go to "The Street" and search for Soros during our late great crash.

I'm not worth millions but my money is more than safe because I've been investing Green and there's nothing like organic milk & such thanks to the people pushing Monsanto's poisons down our throats. I am merely doing quite well. You on the other hand, who would invest in Carlyle, might be. Are you?

[SahaleArm]

104. Color me skeptical.

OK the X-Files dig was a bit harsh; but the line you gave me about knowing when the market would drop seems specious. If you can provide me with a link, a source article, or a particular securities transaction, I'll be happy to believe your theory about Soros and Tech stocks. Otherwise I'll attribute it to bad business plans and irrational exuberence (Occam's Razor). If you sold because securities were over-priced and unsustainable in early 2000, I'll call you a smart investor:).

[Hell Hath No Fury]

73. You'll find that...

Tiniore's work may sound "X-Files" on the surface, but it almost always ends up being right after further investigation.

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[TheLastMohican]

48. Putin has a personal feud with Soros

I bet every russian businessman does. Soros was the one who orchestrated Russia's default on T-bills in 1998. Made many rich guys poor in one day. Soros bears a very bad reputation in CIS countries starting from "5th column CIA guy" to "another jewish banking crook willing to steal our national assets". Go figure.

[truthisfreedom]

41. drop in the bucket.

this was probably predicted by soros himself.

[nolabels]

46. Believe it or not I think Soros and few other billionaires that have .....

not surfaced are in over their head. The amounts of dough that is at stake here is in the trillions. Do you think the multinational corporation’s henchmen, BFEE, would be taking chances on screw ups? Maybe a complete set of brains they are missing, but they will make up for it in their tenacity to get it done

They seem to just be doing it and saying Eff you if you believe our lies or not. At the same time believing they will get others to iron out the differences later. * may be the weak link and not smart enough to know what’s going totally, but he does what is asked of him by what looks to be a few people. I am thinking you will never get any of them separately because they always bail one another out.

[Tinoire]

47. More Details- was funding OPPOSITION PARTIES TO PUTIN

<snip>

President Vladimir Putin is facing one of the biggest political crises of his four-year administration after police detained Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, at gunpoint on October 25 in Siberia and flew him to Moscow to be jailed.

The campaign against Khodorkovsky and Yukos, which has faced a series of criminal probes since July, is widely seen as Kremlin revenge for the billionaire tycoon's funding of opposition political parties and has alarmed foreign investors.

Hungarian-born Soros, who has long had difficult relations with Moscow, in a Russian newspaper interview early this week denounced the arrest of Khodorkovsky as "persecution" that would force business to submit to the state.

http://www.news.lt/Default.aspx?DL=E&ArticleID=62551

On edit: And I LOVE this quote:

<snip>

The assault on Khodorkovsky and some of his associates, who make up a group of core shareholders in the company, is widely believed to have been orchestrated by Kremlin hardliners apparently alarmed by Khodorkovsky's political ambitions.

"I believe that he acted within the contraints of the law in supporting political parties. I am doing the same in the United States," said Soros.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/031104/137/292zw.html

[TheLastMohican]

50. I like that quote

"I believe that he acted within the contraints of the law in supporting political parties. I am doing the same in the United States," said Soros.

There is a big difference between supporting political parties and robbing the country blind. And Soros should know it.
I wouldn't take Soros side in his quest against Bush. I see things differently from the most here. In my book those are two predators fighting for survival and common folks get stuck in the meatgrinders which these two scum and their henchmen operate.

[Classical_Liberal]

52. Soros is funding the opposition to Bush

is this a bad thing?

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=1246722003


Maybe Putin isn't such a great guy? Every consider this? The right wing italian Italian Prime Minsister Berlusconi is supporting Putin. Berlusconi is the Italian version for Rupart Murdock, one of the few European leaders that supported the war, and an admirer of fascist dictator and Hitler allie Musolini.

http://www.sptimes.ru/archive/times/918/opinion/o_10901.htm

I really don't think we know enough to have a dog in this fight. Sorry.

[hang a left]

54. It really is not about having a dog in the fight. It is about what is

is really going on right now in the world. It is bigger than 04 IMO. It is about the "master plan" for planet earth. Not that I think there is a damn thing any of us can do about it, but I for one, am watching carefully.

Who likes Junior Satan. Certainly we don't, the world doesn't. What I am fearful of is his replacement by someone nicer, more diplomatic, more charismatic. Someone who can complete sentences, speak eloquently, that is intelligent, but, with the same agenda.

Just because someone writes an article denouncing a group or position, doesn't mean they are being honest about their position, but it is clear what the motive is. To make you BELIEVE that is their position is what the motive of the person is. Hell, I could go over to FR and state opinions that align themselves with theirs and I would have a slew of buddies in no time.

Whistle Ass says he "supports our troops." Do you believe him. No, because his motives have become very clear over time. We watch him like a hawk, we got his number.

You are entitled to your opinion. It is just one that I don't share. I have read more crap about this Soros guy over the past, now going on three days. The guy is just downright frightening, and he is not a friend of democracy.

I made this statement a day or so ago on another thread. If the guy was truly interested in promoting peace and democracy in America, while he has his checkbook out, he could kick down a few mil for the BBV cause. I don't think we will find Soros weighing in on democratic and fair elections.

It appears that there is a struggle of power between the people who REALLY rule the earth. And there are some strategic plays being made.

Soros is not worthy of your defense. He is one of THEM. They are playing chess and we are the pawns.

on edit: had to change their to there......twice.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

56. Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment...

...what if "they" have had some sort of philosophical falling out, and that the information being released on Soros is being orchestrated by the Bushies and their supporters?

While it's very clear that Soros ran with the bulls in the 1970s, 1980s, and early 1990s, what if he's really had some kind of philosophical epiphany that has placed him at odds with the Bushies, etc.?

Something is going on between what appears to be different lines of thought, and I'm not sure how to read the tea leaves at this point in time. Or, are we being led to think that there are two lines of thought?

[hang a left]

58. Who really knows? I surely do not. My MO is trust nobody.

Just sit back and watch. What the hell else can you do. It is not OUR world.






I had to fix a word on edit.

[Tinoire]

70. I just find all these epiphanies most bizarre

and such propitious timing.

All these sudden epiphanies...


The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons.

Emerson, Ralph Waldo (1803-1882), Conduct of Life `Worship'

[Myra]

85. The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons.

Great quote Tinoire!

[Tinoire]

88. Can you tell?

The life of a book-worm? Totally wasted? ;)


Hey Myra! :hi:

[Myra]

90. Hi back Tinoire!

I've always known that it's a red flag when someone
starts *telling* me what they're like (unless they're
a job candidate or something) instead of *showing* me.
It's a sinister omen that always plays out the same way.
The person knows that if they're judged by actions they'll
be busted for the jerk they are.

But Mr. Emerson recognized that and stated it so articulately
and succinctly. Dang but he talked good. :)

[Tinoire]

111. Lol!

Lol Myra! You know what my 4th questions always is to job candidates? I lean over real close and ask "Now, tell me what you're really like." with a wicked, wicked twinkle in the eyes.

How are you dealing with all of this? Did you ever for a million years in 1999, think that your life would change so much and that 2004 would be so intense for you, for us all, politically?

I simply can not believe the political roller coaster we're on or the mess we're in! I honestly don't think I want to hang on past the primaries! ;) Think it would be better for me to just lounge about reading Emerson :)

[Classical_Liberal]

98. I think it is just greed, not a master plan..

Soros has spoken out against this.

[hang a left]

100. Soros works with and for the Rothschilds, has forever. Putin is

interfering in their business. Don't you get it. Yukos oil, I believe it is 52%, what ever it is is a controling share, is held by one of the Rothschilds Brothers.


On edit: added '"and for"

[Classical_Liberal]

101. Soros objects the fact that Putin has no plan to try

Kordeyfsky, in the near future. It is about due process, and even rich people have a right to it. Soros wouldn't have a leg to stand on if a trial would start, and charges were made. I am not opposed to antitrust, and I definately think the Russians should persue it. As it is this man has been in jail two months and no charges have been filed.

[emad]

102. The latest in the UK news is that Khordokovsky has failed bail and

will be in the slammer two years awaiting trial.

Meanwhile prosecutors are investigating his alleged land deal investments with Ariel Sharon's sons, via Enron subsidiaries in the late 90s.

[hang a left]

105. He has been charged, and now denied bail.

Khodorkovsky, 40, Russia's richest man and former chief executive of Yukos Oil Co., serves as an adviser to Carlyle's Energy Group. He is among 15 luminaries who help the firm sort through investment opportunities in energy industries, along with former secretary of state James A. Baker III, former British prime minister John Major and Pulitzer-Prize-winning author Daniel Yergin.

Khodorkovsky was arrested last month by Russian authorities for alleged fraud and tax evasion. Because the billionaire is seen as a possible political rival to President Vladimir Putin, his arrest has unsettled the country's business community and worried foreign investors.

Sources close to the firm say Carlyle is taking a cautious look at the business climate in Russia. So far, Carlyle has no investments in Russia, and has not followed through on preliminary discussions about starting a buyout fund with Russian investment company Alfa Group, the sources said.

Lebedev, chairman of Group Menatep, a holding company that is a major shareholder in Yukos, was arrested in July on fraud charges. Lebedev had served as an adviser to Carlyle's European investment funds, but is no longer listed on the firm's Web site.

snip

Sources close to the firm say Carlyle is taking a cautious look at the business climate in Russia. So far, Carlyle has no investments in Russia, and has not followed through on preliminary discussions about starting a buyout fund with Russian investment company Alfa Group, the sources said.

Lebedev, chairman of Group Menatep, a holding company that is a major shareholder in Yukos, was arrested in July on fraud charges. Lebedev had served as an adviser to Carlyle's European investment funds, but is no longer listed on the firm's Web site.

snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20638-2003Nov10.html

on edit: change had to has

[emad]

106. Carlyle members are notoriously proficient in covering the traces

and no doubt have made sure their personal portfolios of assets escape public scrutiny.

Published material quoted on the DU over the last two weeks shows that Lord Jacob Rothschild recruited and groomed Khodorkpvsky some 10 years ago after introducing him to Kissinger and getting the nod to OK him by Bush Sr and John Major. Rothschild is also reported in the press as having taken over the voting rights on the sequestered 41% of Yukos shares that Putin has frozen. Those voting rights are currently under review and were said last week to be likely to be challenged in the UK courts pending dialogue with Moscow prosecutors who filed the arrest charges against Khodorkovsky.

Sounds like a sting.

[Tinoire]

112. This is huge. This is the stuff wars are fought over! n/t

[gulliver]

55. Bush must be outraged.

I'm sure our U.S. administration will take Putin to task over this. :eyes:

[tom_paine]

57. Just a coincidence that thiis happens right after Poppy visits Putin

The Great Game is on again people! Return with we if you will to the 1890s.

(and watch out for small planes, Mr. Soros...)

[hang a left]

59. keeping you on page one.

[DemonFighterLives]

60. That is a lot of info. to wade through

Seems the question is whether Soros really had a change of heart or this is just another phase of the big game. Anything to remove the current regime would be a plus and until his agenda becomes clear, Soros is just another rich player.
Doesn't surprise me to see Poppy sneaking around coordinating things. He did it with the October Surprise as well. He seems to want to stay on top and I can't wait until he's out of the picture and his stupid sons and all.

[0007]

61. Ya just don't double-cross the cabal -

[goforit]

63. What the hell????

Soros is part of Carlyle?
Soros has relations with the oil Tycoon?

Soros has been marching against bush for 3 years,....... what??????


CONFUSED..........Totally!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Myra]

86. I second that confusion

Good info though.
And the thread hasn't deteriorated into
a pissing contest.
Most laudable, and unusual.

[BlackFrancis]

65. Soros was going down anyway

Putin vs. the Oligarchs is complicated. Soros alied himself with Khodorkovsky who had been buying off politcos to block taxation on his oil profits and trying to break apart the state oil company so he could buy it up. I don't quite know how to feel about Putin jailing him rather than trying to curb Khodorkovsky's excesses in some other manner since I'm not pretty sure the Duma can be bought off to keep legislation away from him.

[David__77]

71. I am conflicted on Putin.

Undoubtedly, he's been better for Russia than was Yeltsin. Yeltsin squandered the wealth and power of the Soviet Union and sold his nation to gangsters and murderers and foreign interests. It was sickening and sad to see. Putin does face a threat to national security in the form of a criminal oligarchy and something does need to be done. He must respect Russia's laws in doing so, but I think the main threat isn't Putin but rather the criminals.

[Pez]

72. what would shostakovich say...

so was putin, like, kidding when he was dissing the bushies? guess he thinks it's ultimately better to be with 'em, then against 'em... must be tough trying to pick which billionaire to back.

:-\

[Guaranteed]

75. Wow!

Sounds like I need to see through my plan to move to Belgium. This guy wants to kill the dollar. Great, as long as I'm earning Euros! That'll help pay off my debts right quick.

[bobthedrummer]

76. Soros and Saudi's??? Did he have anything to do with BCCI?

http://cryptome.org/soil/soiled-dove2.htm

[Zhade]

93. Soros was connected to BCCI through his one-third ownership of Harken.

Soros owned 1/3rd of Harken after his own company, Soros Oil, was purchased by Harken. This was in 1985 (he sold his shares in 1989).

It gets complicated here.

Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, partially financed Bush's first oil company, Arbusto (through his sole US rep James Bath) which went bust-o drilling dry holes. Salem died in a plane crash in 1988. Arbusto was purchased by Spectrum 7 in a 1984 bailout. Spectrum 7, with Bush as company President, was acquired by Harken Energy Corporation in 1986.

Harken had ties to BCCI - Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh bought a 17.6% stake in Harken in 1987. In Saudi Arabia, Bakhsh had a business partner by the name of Gaith Pharaon - this was the BCCI's front man for Houston's Main Bank.

So two years before Soros sold his shares, at least one of Harken's board members had business dealings with an important BCCI guy. He claims he let the other Harken co-owners run the business. Does this sound like the hands-on Soros we all know?

But there's more.

Bakhsh's banker was Khalid bin Mahfouz. And I know I don't have to tell you HIS connection to BCCI! Nor, I imagine, his alleged role as financier of the 911 (terrorist?) attacks. Mahfouz, by the way, inherited Salem's Houston assets upon Salem's death.

(Much of the info above came from http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD202B.html and http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/eliteprofile/bush/bushandharken.html.)

Admittedly, the evidence here isn't a smoking gun that Soros dealt intimately with BCCI. I'd need Harken's business contracts and related papers for 1985-1989 to prove or disprove any such dealings.

[Jacobin]

79. It's what happens when you publicly oppose Bush*

We live in a police state.

That raid was prompted by the WH, even though it was in Russia. I'd bet a hundred bucks on it.

I hope Soros gets a piece of these mafia bozos.

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80. kick

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81. Here check this out.

I pasted the end of it but its quite long and informative with footnotes. The first few paragraphs might be very interesting too

http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1207hc.htm
George Soros, Imperial Wizard
(snip)
Sorosian innumeracy: counting to bolster and defend U.S. foreign policy.

Soros is very worried about the decline in the world capitalist system and he wants to do something about it, now. He recently said: "I can already discern the makings of the final crisis.... Indigenous political movements are likely to arise that will seek to expropriate the multinational corporations and recapture the 'national' wealth." 69

Soros is seriously suggesting a plan to circumvent the United Nations. He proposes that the "democracies of the world ought to take the lead and forge a global network of alliances that could work with or without the United Nations." If he were psychotic, one might think he was having an episode. But the fact is, Soros' assertion that "The United Nations is constitutionally incapable of fulfilling the promises contained in the preamble of its charter," reflects the thinking of such reactionary institutions as the American Enterprise Institute. 70 Though many conservatives refer to the Soros network as left-wing, on the question of U.S. affiliation with the United Nations Soros is on the same page as the likes of John R. Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, who, with "any Republicans in Congress-believe that nothing more should be paid to the UN system." 71 There has been a decades-long rightwing campaign against the UN. Now Soros is leading it. On various Soros web sites one may read criticism of the United Nations as too rich, unwilling to share information, or flawed in ways that make it unfit for the way the world should run according to George Soros.

Even writers at The Nation, writers who clearly ought to know better, have been influenced by Soros' ideas. William Greider, for instance, recently found some validity in Soros' criticism that the United Nations should not be a venue for "tin-pot dictators and totalitarians. . treated as equal partners." 72 This kind of Eurocentric racism is at the heart of Soros' hubris. His assumption that the United States can and should run the world is a prescription for fascism on a global scale. For much too long, Western "progressives" have been giving Soros a pass. Probably Greider and others will find the reference to fascism excessive, unjustified, even outrageous.

But just listen closely to what Soros himself has to say: "In old Rome, the Romans only voted. In the modern global capitalism, the Americans only vote. The Brazilians do not vote." 73
(snip)

I don't know if anybody noticed it but was from a link in here

Kissinger & BCCI spells BUSH & 9-11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323

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94. A snippet on AEI and Soros...

AEI praises Soros' plan for development aid:

"It is also worth considering mechanisms for reforming the World Bank that could permit the US and Europe to continue to finance it without having to agree on the appropriate mechanism for aid. George Soros (who spends $500m a year on aid to poor countries) has a new proposal for channelling aid, elements of which could overcome the impasse between the US and Europe.

In spite of some flaws in the Soros plan (notably the reliance on IMF money creation as the financing tool), the basic idea is brilliant. Countries would pool resources in a fund but channel aid to the projects they liked best. The US could focus resources on grants, while Europe could continue to support existing programmes. Competition would bolster performance and accountability. And it would put an end to the squabbling that has prevented urgently needed reform and growth in development aid."

http://www.aei.org/news/filter.,newsID.13726/news_detail.asp

Now I need a shower for visiting that fascist hellhole!

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114. AEI = PNAC for those of you who don't know...

In the Campaign and Politics forum Stephanie has an amazing research thread on PNAC and AEI.

New to DU? Here's your =======> Intro to PNAChttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=301411

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99. Thanks, nolabels! That explains alot.

I have only recently woken to the insoluble tensions between capitalism and democracy. The plight of landless, resourceless masses living amidst great natural resources which were mostly plundered at gunpoint by the antecedents (or "ancestors" whether by birth or stock purchase)of today's owners..our eyes are averted from that ethical dilemna (and political reality) very effectively.

"I can already discern the makings of the final crisis.... Indigenous political movements are likely to arise that will seek to expropriate the multinational corporations and recapture the 'national' wealth." says a lot about his concerns.

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83. how did this get way over here

KICK!

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84. kick, my toe is getting sore.

[stevedeshazer]

87. Thanks for kickin'

There is a lot here to digest.

[David Zephyr]

89. Bush's New World Order is in Full Stride. Kicking This Up.

Good Grief!

[NYC]

95. People need to read this.

4:30 a.m. kick.

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96. This is why I dislike slapping labels and names on people

They want to label him as a Radical, but in truth most people that follow enough news know that if anybody could be pinned with that label it would be the real radicals, the NeoCons squatting in the White house

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:ZTmLNSTGL64J:www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/x3765443093.pdf+Nov.+10,+2003,+issue+of+National+Review+%2B+George+Soros&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

George Soros:A Bridge to Radicalism Soros Funds a Leftwing Network Addressing Media, Legal and Social Issues
by Neil Hrab

George Soros, the international financier, is at present caught up in aninsider-trading scandal in France. There’sno clear proof that Soros is culpable for the stock shenanigans being investigated by Paris authorities. But the news represents one of the few times when his name has received unfavorable press mention. Soros is much better known for his philanthropy.In 2000 his private grant making foundation, the Open Society Institute (OSI), dis-tributed over $103 million to American nonprofits. OSI is only one component ofthe Soros foundations network. This net-work, covering 50 nations, includes sev-eral other foundations, network programs supporting them, and various international initiatives. Including OSI, the Soros foun-dations network spent $453 million in 2001.Some believe Soros’ giving marks himas a billionaire with a conscience.

“Mr.Democracy” is how he is described in theAmerican Bar Association Journal. Soros,a currency speculator whose net worth is estimated to be more than $1 billion, is called the man who could “bring more change to justice system and the legal profession than any-one since Washington, Franklin, Jefferson Summary: In 2001, George Soros’ Open Society Institute donated $103 million tocauses in the U.S. Much funding went to liberal and radical leftwing groups ad-dressing a ranging of issues from oppos-ing the death penalty to undermining property rights. George Soros is perhaps the world’s most ambitious donor.and other Founding Fathers got togetherto write the Constitution.”The effusive ABA statement reflects Soros’ philanthropic ambition to under-write radical social and legal changes inAmerica. Like the Ford, Rockefeller,MacArthur and Turner foundations,Soros’ Open Society Institute lavishes donations on liberal political advocacy groups and activists of the radical Left. Soros’ support for left-wing causes is curious.

Born in Hungary in 1930, his edu-cation and early life experiences surelymade him aware of the perils of govern-ment control and collectivist ideology.Soros survived World War II and brieflystudied in London, where he became ac-quainted with Sir Karl Popper (1902-1994),the man he now regards as his intellectual mentor. Popper, a philosopher who wroteThe Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),a treatise famous for its rebuttal of the
(snip)

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103. Well that is a different take on Soros. I have to look into

this a little further. These projects that received donations are very worthy causes, IMO.

Are Soros' motives pure, or an attempt to infiltrate organizations and suppress or corrupt, requires further investigation. That is a tactic used by huge foundations I have read.

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107. Things aren't always as they seem.

I am still researching. But, the Ford Foundation, has the same interests as Soros according to the information you posted.

The CIA uses philanthropic foundations as the most effective conduit to channel large sums of money to Agency projects without alerting the recipients to their source. From the early 1950s to the present the CIA's intrusion into the foundation field was and is huge. A U.S. Congressional investigation in 1976 revealed that nearly 50% of the 700 grants in the field of international activities by the principal foundations were funded by the CIA (Who Paid the Piper? The CIA and the Cultural Cold War, Frances Stonor Saunders, Granta Books, 1999, pp. 134-135). The CIA considers foundations such as Ford "The best and most plausible kind of funding cover" (Ibid, p. 135). The collaboration of respectable and prestigious foundations, according to one former CIA operative, allowed the Agency to fund "a seemingly limitless range of covert action programs affecting youth groups, labor unions, universities, publishing houses and other private institutions" (p. 135). The latter included "human rights" groups beginning in the 1950s to the present. One of the most important "private foundations" collaborating with the CIA over a significant span of time in major projects in the cultural Cold War is the Ford Foundation.

This essay will demonstrate that the Ford Foundation-CIA connection was a deliberate, conscious joint effort to strengthen U.S. imperial cultural hegemony and to undermine left-wing political and cultural influence. We will proceed by examining the historical links between the Ford Foundation and the CIA during the Cold War, by examining the Presidents of the Foundation, their joint projects and goals as well as their common efforts in various cultural areas.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/FordFandCIA.html

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109. I am still looking but I found this

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=65&contentid=831



Perhaps Amy Goodman should finally make full disclosure of all foundation grants that the Pacifica Foundation, WBAI, Democracy Now, WBAI, KPFA, the Indymedia Centers, Free Speech TV, Deep Dish TV, the Pacifica Campaign or the Downtown studio, from which she broadcasted in 2000-2001, have received since 1992.

Regarding George Soros's U.S. alternative media gatekeeping/ censorship network, the following recap might be of use to U.S. grassroots anti-war activists, whose political work is not being subsidized by Establishment Foundations such as Billionaire Global Speculator George Soros'Open Society Institute:

1. In 1999, George Soros's Open Society Institute gave a $50,000 grant to the Nation Institute "to support project to improve performance and reach of Radio Nation, weekly public radio news and commentary program."

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110. THis is also interesting

http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/GeorgeSorosByNeilClark.htm

George Soros is angry. In common with 90 per cent of the world's population, the Man Who Broke the Bank of England has had enough of President Bush and his foreign policy. In a recent article in the Financial Times, Soros condemned the Bush administration's policies on Iraq as "fundamentally wrong"—based as they were on a "false ideology that US might gave it the right to impose its will on the world".

Wow! Has one of the world's richest men—the archetypal amoral capitalist who made billions out of the Far Eastern currency crash of 1997 and who last year was fined $2m for insider trading by a court in France—seen the light in his old age? (He is 72.) Should we pop the champagne corks and toast his conversion?

Not before asking what really motivates him. Soros likes to portray himself as an outsider, an independent-minded Hungarian emigre and philosopher-pundit who stands detached from the US military-industrial complex. But take a look at the board members of the NGOs he organises and finances. At Human Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, US assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-89, and now a fellow at the interventionist Council on Foreign Relations; ex-ambassador Warren Zimmerman (whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break-up of that country); and Paul Goble, director of communications at the CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds). Soros's International Crisis Group boasts such "independent" luminaries as the former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Richard Allen, as well as General Wesley Clark, once Nato supreme allied commander for Europe. The group's vice-chairman is the former congressman Stephen Solarz, once described as "the Israel lobby's chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill" and a signatory, along with the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a notorious letter to President Clinton in 1998 calling for a "comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime".

Take a look also at Soros's business partners. At the Carlyle Group, where he has invested more than $100m, they include the former secretary of state James Baker and the erstwhile defence secretary Frank Carlucci, George Bush Sr and, until recently, the estranged relatives of Osama Bin Laden. Carlyle, one of the world's largest private equity funds, makes most of its money from its work as a defence contractor.


On edit:click on link for more

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113. But wait there is more

So why is he so upset with Bush? The answer is simple. Soros is angry not with Bush's aims—of extending Pax Americana and making the world safe for global capitalists like himself—but with the crass and blundering way Bush is going about it. By making US ambitions so clear, the Bush gang has committed the cardinal sin of giving the game away. For years, Soros and his NGOs have gone about their work extending the boundaries of the "free world" so skilfully that hardly anyone noticed. Now a Texan redneck and a gang of overzealous neo-cons have blown it.

As a cultivated and educated man (a degree in philosophy from the London School of Economics, honorary degrees from the Universities of Oxford, Yale, Bologna and Budapest), Soros knows too well that empires perish when they overstep the mark and provoke the formation of counter-alliances. He understands that the Clintonian approach of multilateralism—whereby the US cajoles or bribes but never does anything so crude as to threaten—is the only one that will allow the empire to endure. Bush's policies have led to a divided Europe, Nato in disarray, the genesis of a new Franco-German-Russian alliance and the first meaningful steps towards Arab unity since Nasser.

Soros knows a better way—armed with a few billion dollars, a handful of NGOs and a nod and a wink from the US State Department, it is perfectly possible to topple foreign governments that are bad for business, seize a country's assets, and even to get thanked for your benevolence afterwards. Soros has done it.

The conventional view, shared by many on the left, is that socialism collapsed in eastern Europe because of its systemic weaknesses and the political elite's failure to build popular support. That may be partly true, but Soros's role was crucial. From 1979, he distributed $3m a year to dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union. In 1984, he founded his first Open Society Institute in Hungary and pumped millions of dollars into opposition movements and independent media. Ostensibly aimed at building up a "civil society", these initiatives were designed to weaken the existing political structures and pave the way for eastern Europe's eventual colonisation by global capital. Soros now claims, with characteristic immodesty, that he was responsible for the "Americanisation" of eastern Europe.

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116. THis is also very interesting

ALTERNATIVE MEDIA CENSORSHIP:
SPONSORED BY CIA's FORD FOUNDATION?

Part 9:

FORD FOUNDATION, THE CIA & U.S. ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY — part 3

The Ford Foundation's Vice-President for Media in recent years, Alison Bernstein, was an associate dean at Princeton University between 1990 and 1992. But for most of the last twenty years she has been on the Ford Foundation payroll.

As the Ford Foundation's Vice-President for Media, Bernstein implements the media policy priorities that are determined by committees of the Ford Foundation board of trustees and authorized by the Ford Foundation president. In recent years the Ford Foundation board of trustees has included two former CEOs and former board chairmen of the Xerox Corporation, the CEO and board chairman of ALCOA, an executive vice-president and general counsel of Coca Cola Company, the chairman and CEO of Levi Strauss & Co., the chairman of Reuters Holdings, PLC, the senior partner of the Akin, Gump,Straus Hauser & Feld lobbying firm, and the president of Vassar College. Other corporations with directors who sat on the Ford Foundation board of trustees in the late 1990s or after 2000 included Time Warner, Chase Manhattan Bank, Ryder Systems, CBS, AT & T, Adolph Coors Company, Dayton-Hudson, the Bank of England, J.P. Morgan, Marine Midland Bank, Southern California Edison, KRCX Radio, the Central Gas & Electric Corp. DuPont, Citicorp and the New York Stock Exchange. A vice-president and general counsel of Texaco Inc. named Deval Laurdine Patrick has also sat on the Ford Foundation board of trustees in recent years.

The Ford Foundation's Board of Trustees' Education, Media, Arts and Culture Committee in the late 1990s, for instance, included the president of Vassar College, the chairman of Reuters Holdings PLC, the former chairman and CEO of Xerox and Clinton crony Vernon Jordan--also a director of Revlon, American Express, J.C. Penney, Sara Lee, Xerox, Bankers Trust, Dow Jones, Union Carbide and Ryder Systems. Clinton crony Jordan also was the chair of the Ford Foundation Board of Trustee's Audit and Management Committee in the late 1990s.

Currently, the wife of the Bush II White House's presidential historian (Michael Beschloss] sits on the Ford Foundation board of trustees. Ford Foundation Trustee Afsaneh Mashayetkhi Beschloss, a former World Bank managing officer, also is the CEO/president of the Carlyle Asset Management Group. President Bush II's father George Bush, former Secretary of Defense and former Deputy CIA Director Frank Carlucci, former Secretary of State James Baker and Billionaire Speculator George Soros are also involved in the Carlyle Group that Ford Foundation Trustee Mashayetkhi Beschloss manages. The Ford Foundation board-linked Carlyle Group received $1.3 billion in Pentagon war contracts in 1999, was the 11th-largest recipient of Pentagon war contracts in 2000 and invests heavily in war stock.

lots more http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman09.html

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118. There is so much out there

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~cpa/garchve5/1076hag.html

snip

Emperor's Clothes Notes: The Open Society Institute, which Ms
McDonald found so helpful, is George Soros' outfit. Soros acts as a kind of
high-profit wing of the CIA. On the one hand, he is a ruthless currency-
pirate, implicated in savaging the Thai economy, which launched the great
Asian crash.

On the other hand, his foundation sets up and funds front groups throughout
the former socialist countries and elsewhere as beachheads for US
penetration.

In his testimony at the July, 1999 hearing on overthrowing democracy in
Yugoslavia, Special Yugoslav Envoy Gelbard spoke of the Open Society
Foundation as a great help in carrying out Imperial penetration.

CELLI appears to be part of a group of governmental and semi-governmental
organisations which work together to develop Fifth Column organisations in
countries targeted by the US Empire. One of the main coordinators of this
apparatus is a CIA spin-off, the National Endowment for Democracy.

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117. Armand Hammer was the mastermind behind Soros, Kissinger

and the Carlyle mob.

<snip>

Hammer's self-celebrated career began at a meeting with Lenin, and blossomed into a long series of insider business deals in the USSR. Soviet documents reveal that he ferried $34,000 from the Soviets to the American Communist Party in 1921. But Hammer wasn't one to let ideology get in the way of business -- in 1976 he pleaded guilty to charges of trying to conceal a $54,000 contribution to Nixon's reelection campaign, and received a tiny fine (and eventually a pardon from George Bush). Hammer's control over his $20 billion Occidental Petroleum was so firm that stockholders complained about picking up the tab for his art collections. Although he was frequently under SEC investigation, his lawyers and connections always came through. Before the "Teflon tycoon" died at age 92, many were beginning to worry that the hyperactive Hammer was not only untouchable, but might even be immortal.
<snip>

from:
Weinberg, Steve. Armand Hammer: The Untold Story. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1989. 501 pages.

Book review quoted on:
http://www.namebase.org/sources/UG.html

His FBI file is massive but can be sourced on:
http://foia.fbi.gov/hammerop.htm

UK press last discussed him in March 2003. Scotland on Sunday excerpt:

Spy 'tried to buy' royal friends
by
STEPHEN FRASER


BILLIONAIRE Russian spy Armand Hammer gave charities close to Prince Charles more than £40m in an attempt to buy influence, a former aide of the disgraced oil tycoon has claimed. Hammer, who died in 1990, also lavished priceless gifts on Charles and his then wife Princess Diana in a bid to buy respectability and social standing, according to his former spin-doctor. Neil Lyndon, who ghost-wrote Hammer’s autobiography, has also claimed that the royal couple sent handwritten letters to the corrupt oil tycoon thanking him for his generosity. Hammer, who died aged 92, was once touted as a leading contender to become godfather to Prince Harry. His company, Occidental, operated the Piper Alpha oil platform in the North Sea which exploded in July 1988, claiming 167 lives. Lyndon, who worked for Hammer as a public relations expert for five years in the 1980s, alleged the billionaire used his wealth to forge a close relationship with Prince Charles and his then wife. Hammer’s generosity extended to having US watercolour painting expert Bob Timberlake flown across the Atlantic to tutor the Prince in his painting technique. He gave the royal couple access to the Occidental company jet, a Boeing 727, which they borrowed on their honeymoon following their wedding in 1981. Hammer technically broke the law by doing so, as the jet should only have been used for company purposes. The tycoon would also photocopy handwritten letters from the royal couple to show them off to friends and associates, Lyndon claimed.

The claims come just days after Prince Charles was accused of being a "royal for hire" following the revelation that he had invited Cem Uzan, a Turkish businessman facing corruption charges, to dinner at his Highgrove home after the millionaire gave one of his charities a £400,000 donation. The Prince’s press secretary yesterday denied the prince could be "bought". But Lyndon has claimed that the Prince’s relationship with Hammer casts doubt on the royal’s judgement.
Lyndon told a newspaper: "Compared to Hammer, Uzan... is a minnow. For Hammer was not only one of the 20th century’s most corrupt men and a monumentally unscrupulous fraudster, he was also a lifelong Soviet agent."

The Prince first met Hammer in 1977, and began a correspondence with him that lasted until Hammer’s death in 1990. Lyndon said Hammer had targeted the young Prince, who was 29, in 1977 and set about forging a relationship. Hammer’s company Occidental was trying to elbow its way into the emergent North Sea oil industry. But the businessman’s reputation had been tarnished by three convictions for making corrupt payments to President Richard Nixon’s re-election campaign fund - the organisation responsible for the Watergate scandal in 1976 which forced Nixon from office. Lyndon said Hammer saw a relationship with Charles as a way of improving his image with both the British government and the international corporate world. Hammer’s London office researched Charles’ interests and found he was fascinated by both a campaign to raise the Mary Rose, the flagship of Henry VIII’s fleet that sank in the Solent in 1545, and the United World College movement, a scheme to promote international understanding by bringing young people from different countries together to study at special colleges. Hammer then ploughed in millions to both causes in a deliberate attempt to create a warm relationship, Lyndon said. The Prince’s friendship with Hammer continued after his marriage in 1981, with Princess Diana also writing to Hammer, said Lyndon, who had access to a file of correspondence between the royal couple and the billionaire.

On one occasion, in 1985, Hammer threw a fundraising event in Palm Beach, Florida, where he sold the right to be photographed with the royal couple for $50,000 (£31,000) to a queue of US businessmen. Princess Diana was also required to dance with many of his friends in a graphic display of Hammer’s royal connections. Lyndon said this showed the royal couple being "prostituted" for charity.

Colleen Harris, the Prince of Wales’ press secretary, said she could not comment on the Prince’s relationship with the late oil magnate. "This was all such a long time ago," she said. Harris added that she could not confirm the amount given by Hammer to the Prince’s charities. She said: "All charitable organisations look for donors to help raise money for good causes and it is only polite after donations have been received for the donors to be thanked. Often this happens at dinners, for example. "The Prince does not behave in this regard any differently from people involved in other charitable enterprises. That is a far cry from saying he is for sale." Asked to react to Lyndon’s suggestion that the Prince lacks judgement in choosing his associates, she refused to comment.

Hammer had been known to the British intelligence services as a Russian intelligence agent. He had worked for the Russians since 1921, when the New York-born businessman travelled to Moscow to meet Lenin.

from:
http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/uk.cfm?id=289442003

check:
http://www.cosmicbaseball.com/98hcr.html



Kissinger Notes: Abboud and Stoga tie into Soviet agent Armand Hammer. Abboud was once head of Occidental Petroleum. ... to Kamal Adham and to george Soros, the man behind the marijauna ...
www.geocities.com/pkpanteli/Kissinger.html

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121. This is funny, and thanks for picking up on Henry Kissinger

The deal I see these old men just don't want to hang it up. They probably think the world couldn't get along with out them and they keep on punching there time card, like it's time go back to work. It could also be that some of these guys are keeping their guard up because they feel one or another of these other old guys are going to up-end their legend and trash the history of their person. In any case, this last link you put up just takes it to that fine point.

http://www.geocities.com/pkpanteli/Kissinger.html
(snip)
DOES AMERICA NEED A FOREIGN POLICY?
Henry A. Kissinger July 19, 2001

"These are some of the challenges facing us that I’ve tried to deal with in my book, summed up in a proverb – or an alleged proverb – that a Chinese friend told me: “When there is turmoil under the heavens, little problems are dealt with as if they were big problems. And big problems are not dealt with at all. When there is order under the heavens, big problems are reduced to little problems and little problems should not obsess us.”

The fundamental challenge before the world today is whether we can recognize and distinguish big problems from little problems, whether we can reduce big problems to little problems. After all I’ve said about the difficulties America has in forming an overriding concept, there is no other country that has the optimism, self-confidence and faith that America has shown. This is our opportunity and, in a way, our obligation; we cannot solve every problem, but few of these problems and none of the fundamental ones can be solved without us."
(snip)

Even looking at this where Henry Paraphrases the proverb and turns it upside down to making it like it’s a challenge rather than something to be used as a solace. That little place in where Henry's sole lies must be spinning like top. Even at age eighty five he is on the plane with GHB to meet up with Putin in Moscow. This guy does not even seem to understand that his very existence in any and all things he sticks his fingers into make him the paradox of this proverb.

I wish I had the hours and years to keep up on these folks but even if one could do that, wouldn't that even seem an inposible task

Remember that little egg Henry laid when he went to China to open it up to the west during "Tricky Dick Nixon" adminstration, well here it is now, fully hatched

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14783
Who's getting rich off China?

1999 WorldNetDaily.com

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CITIC is the chief investment arm of the Chinese central government and the bank of the People's Liberation Army, providing financing for Chinese army weapons sales and for the purchase of Western technology. Wang Jun's fellow CITIC board member is Li Ka Shing, chairman of Hutchison Whampoa Ltd, which will soon control both ends of the strategic Panama Canal.

Serving as a middleman for PLA satellite purchases, Li has financed several satellite deals between the U.S. Hughes Corporation and China Hong Kong Satellite, a company owned by the PLA unit, COSTIND.

It was Li who attempted, with the direct assistance of Bill Clinton, to purchase the military port of Long Beach, Calif., for COSCO and the Chinese navy. It took a congressional action to stop the deal. But it's not just Clinton and the Democrats who seem eager to do business with those who would destroy America if they had the chance. Henry Kissinger, Gen. Alexander Haig and many other Republicans are all on the take -- directly or indirectly -- from COSCO or CITIC or some other arm of the Beijing government. Even Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's law firm -- the one for which he collects $1 million a year -- represents CITIC.

Here's how CITIC describes itself on its own public website: "China International Trust & Investment Corporation (CITIC) was founded in October 1979 and is a state-owned enterprise under the direct leadership of the State Council.
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Anybody else got any other info on Henry to highlight

Is Henry Kissinger a war criminal, fascist or just misunderstood
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=345935

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128. NOT AS FUNNY as January 2004 when BCCI creditors class action

starts in the UK High Court where bankrupted small time traders, businessmen/women and ordinary savers who lost their livelihoods and creditworthiness in the BCCI collapse finally SUE the Bank of England in an unprecedented one billion pound compensation lawsuit!

All the Kissinger/Hammer/Soros material etc quoted on this posting form background evidence that shows Thatcher/Reagan & Bush 1 were instrumental to the creation of BCCI as an entity whose sole raison d'etre was to launder drugs money and proceeds of theft/fraud into slush funds to finance the gagging/patronage of politicians, members of the judiciary and legislature, media barons, bankers and financiers and 'ruling class' figures worldwide.

The prima facie purpose was to continue gagging cold war evidence that Bush 1 covered up when he ran the CIA, on behalf of oil industry interests as well as leading US republican families. The secondary purpose was to frame and bankrupt those who had already testified against him and won huge damages in such actions.

Those witnesses who testified before the Morgenthau investigation that led to the BCCI closure in NY, and who handed over data bases showing the financial, social, family and historical links between the perpetrators and their target audience, have also filed evidence on behalf of the lawsuit creditors in London. Nothing like a DNA data base cross-referenced to offshore bank account numbers! And then cross-referenced to law enforcement records of gagged/unresolved felonies, homicides, torts etc.

The London class action action was blocked several times since 1997, mainly by Tony Blair who towed the Thatcher/Major line that the Bank of England was permitted to withhold 'sensitive' documentation material to this case, which would have made it un-sueable. If you ever thought that Swiss banking laws were tight, the B of E was shown to be the all-time grand master of obfuscation, denial, obstruction and partisan gagging purely for the protection of political egos. The withholding orders were finally lifted earlier this year in the UK Court of Appeal and the trial re-scheduled for early January 2004.

Pivotal to all this is the previously undisclosed witness testimony of a former London-based BCCI general manager John Hillbery, who turned state evidence in a plea bargain deal that gave him immunity, a new identity, plenty of secret dosh for a new, covert life and the satisfaction of knowing the Feds wouldn't get him for connected felonies comitted outside the UK but answerable in the US. A 'dirty deal' might have been done and BCCI relegated to 'unfortunate chapter in banking history' status much like Banco Ambrosiano, but for an unexpected twist in events: Hillbery's accomplice, a woman estate agent, suddenly 'disappeared' and later was assumed murdered. That was in the middle of 1986.

Since then, witnesses have come forward and provided authenticated and coroborated evidence of the gang that actually shot her. The accused is the covert bastard son of a top US republican politician who has used several aliases, worked in financial journalism on both sides of the pond (the Washington Post had to finally fire him when the uncomfortable truth about his connections emerged, has a string of sex-offences to his name, as well as theft/fraud/money laundering offences and is wanted in connection with various unsolved homicides in the UK and abroad. My most recent contacts in Washington DC tell me that he may have been the person responsible for a 'certain amount of personal discomfort' in the life of Gary Condit.

The pivotal alibi who got him off the hook for the murder of the UK estate agent and at least one other homicide is married to the UK's present ambassador to Saudi Arabia, previously ambassador to Israel.

This evidence is also before the court in this forthcoming lawsuit.

Several attempts have been made this year to settle this action out of court and huge amounts of money have been offered to witnesses to withdraw their testimonies. Out of court offers and attempts at mediation to stop the trial have also failed.

However, I believe it is no co-incidence that George W Bush is attempting to bring a massive retinue to London next week.

This so-called State Visit has been arranged by his London ambassador William Stamps Farish III who was the bagman running Bush 1's blind trust portfolio when he was VP and later President.

It is primarily a 'front' to conceal the frenetic activity to quash the January trial from happening.

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129. Wow. How deep does it get. I had no idea, and did not know

that there was a pending lawsuit. Nothing is ever what it seems. I am curious as to the identity of the man alleged to have shot the 'female estate agent'

What is your opinion about the quashing of the trial? Do you think it will happen?

[emad]

130. Post No 4:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=209966

(it was my 1000th post rant)

[DeathvadeR]

122. This isn't the BFEE it's putty doing it.

The longer Dubya remains in office the worse off Americans become and the dollars continually is taking a shitter. Putin would want's to continue the madness. Every day dubya remains in office, Everyday the playing fields between other nations become closer. Why not????

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124. That neat but nasty little war that ties all these people together

I hate to say it, but I think the phrase "Follow the money" is an end to its self

http://www.youthofamerica.com/Watch_News/BOSNIA.htm
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The Truth About Bosnia
by David Icke
Originally printed in Leading Edge

It is a point of interest that an advisor to Serb leader Radovan Karadzic has been Sir Alfred Sherman, who has operated from an apartment next door to Karadzic's office. According to published research, Sherman is known as the "inventor of Margaret Thatcher", and he was at the forefront of the maneuvering that led to her election.

The Serbs were funded by the Elite via Belgrade banks involving in massive drug money laundering. It is also
amazing how many "foundations" were set up in the former Yugoslavia by financial speculator George Soros. He has set up these fronts in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Belgrade. Soros is a close friend of Lawrence
Eagleberger at Kissinger Associates, the former US ambassador to Belgrade and a close ally of Slobodon Milosevic.

According to writer and researcher Ben Vidgen, writing in Nexus magazine in February 1996, America, Germany and Israel were running a secret airlift of arms to Croatia and Bosnia from the start of the conflict.
French journalists revealed in 1994 that CIA agents were luring Bosnian Muslims into reckless and hopeless counter-attacks against the Serbs on false promises of US support - a fact backed up by George Kenney, an
American official in charge of Yugoslav affairs at the US State Department until he quit in disgust on August 14, 1992. Warren Hough states that while the Muslims were set up, the Kissinger network was playing the "good guy-bad guy" game, which manipulators use so often. It involved the two Serb leaders, Milosevic and Karadzic. According to Hough:

"Under this scenario, Milosevic, the client of Kissinger Associates, publicly repudiated and condemned the illegal onslaught of Karadzic's troops against Bosnian Muslims. But covertly the Milosevic government furnished the "renegade" forces of Karadzic with all the weapons and support they needed to wage an implacable " war of extermination" against their Muslim neighbors. Muslin resupply was, of course, blocked by the UN arms embargo."
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[Silversocal]

126. Wow so much to read

So what does this all mean in the end? What are the future possiblities of the US and Russia?

[Tinoire]

127. Kick

:kick:

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131. kick for the weekend crowd

[Tinoire]

132. Adding some more stuff

This is just getting worse...

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It was the day before Russia's parliamentary election campaign began that masked gunmen burst into the Moscow office of George Soros's Open Society Institute and carried away documents and computers belonging to the democracy-building organization.

The incident last week, coming on the heels of the imprisonment of billionaire tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, raised yet another outcry in the West about the political direction the country is taking.

Foreign Russia-watchers saw the raid as an attack on Mr. Soros, who had poured more than $1-billion (U.S.) into building civil society in Russia during the past decade, and as yet more proof that the country is drifting back toward authoritarianism under President Vladimir Putin.

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As the parliamentary election campaign begins, Mr. Putin's popularity in Russia remains unassailable, and both his personal approval rating and support for the pro-Putin United Russia party have gone up since the Khodorkovsky affair began.

Most ordinary Russians harbour a deep dislike for Mr. Khodorkovsky and the other so-called "oligarchs," the handful of men who became super rich by snapping up state assets during a sell-off in the early 1990s. "We are not afraid of the old times, because then we had free hospitals, free schools, free summer camps for children. We lived well, better than this," said Tatiana Sablina, a 40-year-old selling her nephew's artwork on the Arbat, Moscow's historic pedestrian mall.


http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031115.wputin1115/BNStory/Front/

Soros Foundation attacked again

Saturday 15 November 2003, 6:23 Makka Time, 3:23 GMT

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Friday's attack was the second such raid in barely a week against US billionnaire George Soros' charity's headquarters, police said.

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The campaign against Yukos is seen as a Kremlin warning to big business to stay out of politics, and a bid to restore state control over the nation's energy resources.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/541389F8-1058-4673-93E0-F71086A298AE.htm

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George Soros, the richest of the liberal philanthropists, has publicly declared that his good work on behalf of building "open societies" worldwide is at risk because of George W. Bush's assaults on an open society at home. So Soros will spend about $100 million trying to oust Bush.

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http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/11/kuttner-r-11-13.html

Investor firm puts off Russian deal
Bloomberg News Thursday, November 6, 2003
Carlyle Group, a Washington-based private equities firm, has put off plans to start a Russian buyout fund after Mikhail Khodorkovsky became the company's second adviser in the country to be jailed, its potential partner said.
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Carlyle planned to start a fund with the Moscow-based Alfa Group. "Talks are on hold," Mark Bond, a managing director of Alfa Group's private equity unit, said by telephone. "The events of the last two weeks haven't helped." A Carlyle partner, Christopher Finn, declined to comment.
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Carlyle has a close business relationship with Khodorkovsky, the 40-year-old chief of the oil giant Yukos who was arrested on Oct. 25 on suspicion of fraud and tax evasion. Platon Lebedev, a Carlyle advisor and the chairman of Group Menatep, a Yukos holding company, was arrested in July on similar accusations. Both deny the allegations.
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Carlyle, which manages $16.4 billion, appoints senior political and business figures to help raise funds and identify takeover targets. Former U.S. President George H.W. Bush retired as a Carlyle adviser last month.
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Bond at Alfa said talks with Carlyle had also stalled because the American firm was less about entering into a joint venture. Carlyle operates its own buyout and real estate funds in America, Europe and Asia, though it has a joint venture with Riverstone Holdings to operate a $222 million energy and power fund. Khodorkovsky is an adviser to the energy and power fund, according to Carlyle's 2002 annual report. Lebedev is an adviser to Carlyle's European operations, which are headed by former Prime Minister John Major of Britain.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/116501.html


Putin does have something to be nervous about. His trip to Europe has failed. In Europe Russian president was given a cold reception and he was told straightforward that his policies concerning Chechnya and Russian business are unacceptable. Massive anti-Putin campaign started in the world’s press and was provoked by the arrest of Russian tycoon Khodorkovsky. Another warplane crash, and finally the refusal to extradite Zakayev, which the Kremlin regarded as betrayal of the British-Russian friendship.

Putin’s chief spokesman of anti-Chechen propaganda Sergei Yastrzhembsky announced Putin’s offence:

«British justice has a strange and, speaking frankly, slightly selective approach to fairness», Yastrzhembsky complained.

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As far as the culprit of Putin’s rage goes, he left the courtroom as a sort of a symbol of Moscow’s most disgraceful failure to impose its totally cheeky thesis that Russia is allegedly fighting against some «international terrorism» in Chechnya.

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http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=1959


Houston executives question future of Russian energy deals

Stunning political developments in Russia last week could threaten millions of dollars of oil deal negotiations between Russian and U.S. companies, including companies in Houston, say two local experts who spend much of their time in Russia.

Economides said in a phone interview from Moscow that many people in Russia believe the government has "effectively re-nationalized Russia's largest oil company."

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He believes the timing of the arrest and the stock seizure was significant, coming as Yukos was believed to be nearing a merger deal with ExxonMobil.

"They were negotiating furiously here until this happened. This was a preemptive move by the government," Economides says. "They wouldn't dare go after properties owned by a big U.S. multinational company."

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Now, Stinemetz says, Khodorkovsky has let it be known that he wants to run for president and has started backing opposition political parties. ((:bounce: Just like in the US!))

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Russian oil production could reach 12 million barrels a day by the end of the decade, and in the next two to five years Russian oil exports to the U.S. could begin to displace Middle East oil, according to a recent report by Wood Mackenzie Inc., a global energy research firm.

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http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/11/10/story6.html
http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/11/10/story6.html?page=2