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Monkey see Monkey Do (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 12:53 PM Original message |
Austria jails Irving for 3 years on Holocaust denial |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. A bit tough, since he has now admitted he was wrong |
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alarcojon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. I agree |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. You're "not sure if jail is right" because of someone's OPINION???! |
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fedsron2us (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Well Irving did break Austrian law |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. I'm sorry, which side of the fence am I meant to land on? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. an eminently reasonable contribution |
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Lucy - Claire (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
212. I agree with you. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
91. How about jail for profiting from lies? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
213. that was my first reaction as well |
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auagroach (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
108. Period. Full Stop. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:08 AM Response to Reply #108 |
120. Absolutely |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
149. Bingo. The cure for speech we disagree with is ... |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
203. I'll have to side... |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
205. He "...admitted he was wrong...!?!?" And you believe him? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 04:37 AM Response to Reply #205 |
210. It's what he says that's important, not his personal thoughts |
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Vogon_Glory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. My Response |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. just a note about the law |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. CBS News: Holocaust Denier Gets Three Years |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
110. believe it or not a lot of people took him seriously |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #110 |
208. One of the interesting things about this jerk was that he wasn't a |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So people in England get sent to prison for lying? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. It happened in Austria |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Ok eom |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. This is wrong |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. gee, you're right |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. "first they came for the Holocaust deniers" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. yeah? |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It sounds like you're making controversial comments on this board |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. look out! low flying straw! (edited) |
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Ben Ceremos (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. Free speech and hate speech |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I can't think of a single case in "my country" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. funny |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. Gimme a fuckin' break |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
247. Isn't the point here that lying is the misuse of freedom of speech? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. Hmmm... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. It isn't illegal to call for the violent overthrow of the government |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. ? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. It has to be a clear and present danger |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. ok. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. oh yeah... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. In a public school it would clearly be a problem |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #85 |
117. Well my point is... |
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alarcojon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Nice point |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Another post... |
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alarcojon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Yes, I saw the info in post # 47 |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Not to put too fine a point on it, but is it your argument that |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. "not to put too fine a point on it" ... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. You can split hairs all you wish. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. when are you going to quote me? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
214. until they come up with mind reading devices |
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Seeking Serenity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
238. It is not illegal to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #238 |
240. Re: Intent to cause harm--Can you prove that Nazism does not intend harm? |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
90. I am the son of concentration camp |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
197. I wonder why everyone has ignored this post? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. I wonder ... |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #199 |
206. And you thought my metaphors were wacky |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
143. A great read |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. No kidding. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
92. Can they be jailed for libel? How about profiting from lies? |
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pocket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. so much for free speech |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Wow. I was thinking that must be a parody or something. Unreal. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. It is sort of Nazi-like to send someone to jail for this |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. You said it |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. what absolute appalling nonsense |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
215. couldn't bush say something similar? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #215 |
218. can't we use our noggins? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. oh, I didn't know you weren't American |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #222 |
226. backwards thinking is always fun |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #226 |
233. ... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. ah, growing up is such fun |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #218 |
229. Nazis did manipulate language by the use of double talk |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. thank you for the article |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. Other articles exist about doubletalk and the Nazis... |
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Dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. self-delete |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. And legions of people would have rushed to defend his |
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Dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
114. Well in this thread a lot of people ARE defending his free speech |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. On the upside |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Isn't it funny that a country which elected a former Nazi officer |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Yeah ridiculous... |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. To be fair, Irving recanted after he was charged. n/t |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. That makes sense... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hey, where's the free speech chorus that was so loud last week |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I'm part of the free speech chorus, and I'm still here :-) |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. It is good to see principled defenders of free speech. |
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Dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. checking in |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. We're still here..... |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Good question. |
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HuffleClaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. good. flouting the law deserves punishment. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think we should have truth laws. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
69. That is a truely dangerous idea... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. How do you feel about laws regarding Libel or Slander? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:53 AM Response to Reply #93 |
118. Libel, slander, false advertising... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. I don't seek power. I seek truth. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. I think the danger is... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
134. Lies are necessary for society to function...imagine the chaos and |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. and now, back to the point |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
168. Nothing from the "original" post makes me believe that it was hyperbole. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Violins on television? ... Oh ... never mind. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Saxon Violins... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
182. Wow you guys. These are really goods posts. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
216. ah |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
31. Personally... |
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lightbulb (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. agreed |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. since you seem to be talking to me ... |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Wow... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. your point? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
102. It's sad that you have no empathy |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #102 |
217. I''m guessing the poster is either from Canada or Britain |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. noo ... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. sorry |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think we need similar anti hate babble laws in the United States. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Does that apply to liberals and progressives, too |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. know any? |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. ask a pro-lifer |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Actually, I asked you. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Well, go in peace, friend |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Your attitude is exactly why we have free speech |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. man, I wish you'd been here to say this during Katrina! |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. There are legal consequences |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. they might have a case in some countries... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. yeah ... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Umm... I think... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. actually, I know |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #71 |
112. right you are! |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
133. I have always wanted to commend you |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #133 |
142. thank you so much! |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. No |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. delete |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
47. Austria and Austrian law -- for anyone interested in facts |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Interesting topic: Free Speech |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
224. you mean the same ACLU |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #224 |
227. missed some points, did you? |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #224 |
232. No, but perhaps an International rule of law and/or change the law |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Thank you. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. it took me a while ;) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #86 |
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fedsron2us (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. How common are custodial sentences for Holocaust Denial in Austria ? |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
56. I hope we never have such laws here |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
60. WHAT THE HELL? (Don't you dare say this okay!) |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anyone can justify this |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. I can justify anti Libel laws. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. A law prohibiting the "glorification of Nazism" is a libel issue? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I didn't say it was identical - but not that different. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
140. Deleted message |
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234. Deleted message |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
65. You gotta be kidding...! |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
82. I suppose the Muslim world will call this hypocrisy |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Not the West in general....but CIA provocateurs |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
137. Gee, ya think? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. if only you'd read some facts |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. trying again |
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biggles1 (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #141 |
204. It is immaterial as to WHY he made those comments... |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
95. Telegraph.co.uk: Irving clutches Hitler book in court |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
97. Holy Cow!!! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. You don't "get it" |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Then you do not have free speech. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. I'll tell ya the truth Lynn |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:57 AM Response to Reply #105 |
115. I lived in Europe for years. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #115 |
122. Did you live on base? |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #122 |
171. No. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
225. I am proud to be an American today! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. Bush will be smiling tonight |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #228 |
239. I am proud to be American |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Not as long as that axe can also swing toward me |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
123. Actually, I AM permitted to do so. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. words fail |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Well, all you have to do is wait. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. you'll be needing some of this |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You're quite amusing |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
166. That's demonstrably false |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #166 |
178. ... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. *** |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. absolute free speech is a myth |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:43 AM Response to Reply #97 |
113. every lynch mob began with an act of free speech |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #97 |
124. scary opinions ... "imprisoning people you don't happen to agree" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
106. the holocaust happened- it's the torah that's fiction. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
107. "Freedom is always the freedom of those who think differently" |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
111. Here's a question for anyone who supports this |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #111 |
127. me |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #127 |
139. No, your premise is incorrect |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. "why you don't seem to understand that" |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #145 |
164. Kevin Trudeau writes and sells books |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. I give up |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. Okay. Fine. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #174 |
181. at least make an effort, eh? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #181 |
185. Possible? |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Thanks Raskolnik |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #187 |
193. Maybe I don't either... |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. I give you my best |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. Diogenes says |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. You're seeing such a person now. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #192 |
198. you know what I would suggest? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. Let's back off the hyperbole for a bit |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
144. Jailing people for dangerous ideas has always worked, after all |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. if only ... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. I knew you'd pounce on the minutiae, but you missed my edit in your haste |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. "points" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. OK, this time let's circle the lines you should have read between |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. yada yada time approacheth |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. ! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. oh look, personal commentary |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. No ideas are so bad |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #175 |
183. yes, well, and I'm sorry |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. How very interesting Iverglas |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. talk about proving my point |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Just gotta have the last word, dontcha? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #191 |
202. Deleted message |
Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
116. Personally, |
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andyv (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
121. European Hypocrisy |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #121 |
129. USAmerican arrogance |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #129 |
136. Good point. This was another HUGE and |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. "certainly" |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #138 |
155. Yes, I agree, "nobody's opinion is authoritative". |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. and I'm sorry |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #159 |
220. He believed |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. like I said (edited to add) |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #221 |
237. Please, lets |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. please, let's |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. Media manipulation of news by Nazi money question |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #242 |
244. ah, the Canadian media |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #241 |
248. Thank you for your detailed response. |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #248 |
249. Liberty--Democratic or authoritarian principle? |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Yes. He would approve of the RIGHT of a Nazi to TELL |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. I know I would not... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. yes, but ;) |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #255 |
258. Yes, because that is the non-violent way to handle it |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #248 |
253. so, taking it from the bottom |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #136 |
154. Free speech is mlitary double talk for Nazis |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
146. I think you have to appreciate where this took place |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. I'm not the best judge of how dangerous Nazi ideas are in Austria |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. arguable points and opinions |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #152 |
177. These Irving threads are all |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
158. If this is allowed to stand, it is the beginning of the end. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. the beginning of the end is already upon us |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Apocalypse Now--Great movie |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. Heck, the politically correct thought police are out of control |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. gee, I know how it feels |
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zwielicht (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #173 |
189. hey, there are places worse than DU ;) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #189 |
196. thank you, thank you, thank you |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #170 |
184. I'm one of those people you want to scream at. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. No they aren't |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #180 |
188. Not everyone feels that way |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #188 |
200. Shutup! |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #200 |
207. No, you shuddup! |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #207 |
250. I must admit |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #250 |
256. oh well |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
163. Big dumb, dumb Irving |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
209. Prosecutors appeal to have Irving's jail term increased |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #209 |
243. I agree 100%, his jail term should be increased... |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-22-06 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
211. That is fucking wrong... |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
245. I WISH THESE JUDGES WOULD JAIL BUSH AND CHENEY FOR LYING! |
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PhilipShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. Judges for the International Criminal court? |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
254. holocaust deniers are idiots and pathological, but putting them in jail |
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