Bush vows zero tolerance on looting

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA16362161125568437A00?source=PA%20Feed&ct=5


US President George Bush said the federal government has launched the most massive relief effort in history to help people devastated by Hurricane Katrina. snip

President Bush said in a live interview on ABC's Good Morning America programme: "I understand the anxiety of people on the ground. There is frustration. But I want people to know there's a lot of help coming."

He also urged a crackdown on looting and crime that has spread throughout New Orleans.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this," he said.

[phantom power]

1. The best way to reduce looting would be to...

evacuate these people to fucking safety. Then they won't have to loot for food, and they won't be able to loot for TVs.

[Lerkfish]

15. yup, I started a thread saying just that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4546042

[bribri16]

32. Be as ruthless as you were on Ken Lay, Mr. Bush. n/t

[AzDar]

55. And KKKarl Rove, too.........n/t

[RedCloud]

2. Looters vow zero tolerance on Bush's inactivity.

What are they supposed to do? Just die because they voted Democratic?

[Eloriel]

13. and have Dem Senator and Governor.

[Cha]

17. I Vow Zero Tolerance

on bush's Inactivity, too!

bush, as we know is trying to change the damn subject from his do nothing approach to the looters..and it ain't gonna happen!

Trying to get the Focus off his asshole face and put it on the victims of his fund slashing and TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP?

[Karenina]

49. American Citizens vow zero tolerance

for ineptitude and gross criminal negligence.

INDICT. IMPEACH. IMPRISON.

[niceypoo]

21. Bush sending in KKK to enforce zero tolerance

[drdtroit]

3. If only we could apply the same policy

to Bush and the rest of his criminal cabal looting the US Treasury on a consistant and daily basis.
F U Georgie!

[JerseygirlCT]

4. Why are we so worried about looting?

For goodness sake, people are dying out there. Do we really give a damn if someone steals some diapers?

I understand disarming people -- more deaths are not needed. But must we really place commodities before lives?

[drdtroit]

6. You obviously don't understand the PNAC's "culture of life".

:sarcasm:

[endarkenment]

7. Looters == poor black people. eom.

[NNN0LHI]

10. And don't forget. Black people loot. White people find stuff n/t

[Cha]

19. As rummy said when the

Iraqis were looting after the Invasion of Iraq..

"Freedom," Rumsfeld told the press, "is untidy" and bad things "happen" when nations are "liberated."


And this quote from a DUer..I liked..

"...Rumsfeld has spoken in dismissive, condescending, and even derisive terms about global outrage over the looting of Iraq's cultural wealth. "How many vases can one nation possess?" (or words to that effect), Rumsfeld asked chuckling reporters."


http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/050403_looting_of_iraq.htm

[VegasWolf]

34. Yes, Black looting = Criminal, White looting = fortuitous event!!! nt

[Megahurtz]

59. Especially White Collar White Criminal Looting. n/t

[endarkenment]

5. Americans Vow Zero Tolerance For Bush

Impeach Now!

[drdtroit]

8. Then on to the Hague! n/t

[VegasWolf]

67. Plain and Simple. New Orleans was lost because no money was left

after Bush lied to us about Iraq.

[K-W]

9. How about zero tolerance on war crimes.

Nothing like a gangster vowing to fight crime.

[Merlot]

11. Better they should starve than steal?

FU gw. I am so angry at how this administration is handling this crisis. First they cut the budget, virtually assuring that this will happen...but it was a bunch of poor black people who didn't vote for him. These people get promises of ice and generators while their city drowns. The relief effort is sporadic...any chance that the national guard is depleted because they're in Iraq? Police taken off of search and rescue to protect businesses from looting? There's the clearest indicator yet of bushco's priorities.

I feel like the tsunami was a huge event that got so much coverage. It was a lot larger of course. And a pretty supermodel got hurt. Good story there. But this is in our own backyard. Why is the news coverage on looters instead of surviors???

[Merlot]

12. The stories about how people "wouldn't leave" are just priceless

The concept of NOT BEING ABLE TO LEAVE is just unimaginable.

[w13rd0]

14. Property rights are non-existant...

...everything there is a wash. I just hope that those that loot can do so without causing injury or death to others struggling in the same crises. Other than that, if someone wants to break into a WalMart and steal a flat screen tv, cans of food and a couple bags of chips, I say why the hell not...

[Merlot]

16. Steal a flat screen TV?

Not like they have any place to take it or plug it in...

[w13rd0]

22. So fuckin what?

No, seriously, so what? Maybe they think it'll make a cool looking raft.

[Gregorian]

18. Then return the money you looted from the Treasury!

Zero tolerance. What a jerk. I find this so utterly offensive, I could puke. Looting Iraq. What about that? Looting the future of America. That's what you did. Flat screen, Foreman grilling machine, it's nothing. Bush the baboon speaks when you wind him up.

[bearfan454]

35. Exactly ! Him and Cheney have looted billions from our treasury.

[Rose Siding]

20. Idiot. "Zero tolerance" would include those taking water or diapers

His tiny, TINY mind is on display for all to see.

[K-W]

23. Can someone make a cartoon

of Bush wading through water with a bag of stolen elections?

Or Dick Cheney with a bag of defense money?

Just an idea, not trying to demand people draw for me. :)

[Massachusetts]

24. "I think there ought to be zero tolerance "

Tough talk from the cowboy Milque Toast!

[Oreegone]

25. The Mandate

Like No Child Left Behind will no doubt be underfunded.

[slay]

26. That's easy to say when YOU'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A DISASTER AREA!

Yes, in an ideal world there would be no looting. This is another one of Bush's holier-than-thou routines set up to portray him as moral hero and everyone else as sinful humans who deserve to be punished. Unless he's down on the ground in that area he has no right to judge these people, especially the ones stealing food. As for those stealing other stuff, it's just that -- STUFF. Damn Georgie you heartless idiot, these people just lost everything. EVERYTHING. :( :mad:

[Fleshdancer]

27. EXEMPTIONS: pension plans and retirement funds

He has tolerance for that kind of looting.

You can just hear the collective sigh of relief from United Airlines and Enron.

[Orion The Hunter]

28. Yeah all of you survivors!

Put down that food, water and other supplies you need to survive in this crisis!

You just sit there and wait for assistance to arrive like you are suppose to!

/sarcasm off

[KittyWampus]

29. seems it's escalated beyond looting, Junior. Sounds like Mob Rule

and i dont' mean BFEE or the Cosa Nostra.

[mzmolly]

30. The looting is about SURVIVAL.

Idiot son!

As I posted in a thread of mine Olbermann aired interviews with the "looters" while others were engaging in photo ops. The people were stealing shoes for their family so they did not cut their feet while wading through the dirty flood waters, they stole food to eat, water to drink, clothes for their familes, and TV sets in a desperate attempt to find out what's happening? I doubt there are places to plug in a TV set but people are not thinking rationally when they are fighting for their lives.

[Sequoia]

31. F U, we have zero tolerance for you!

These people need food, water, clothes, and yes shoes too since you won't do anything, heartless black bastard. You have no soul at all. None. WE HAVE TO GET HIM OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. I would like to see all the stores looted now.

[lawladyprof]

33. Looting or scavenging?

All in how it is spun/described. If I were in dire circumstances and "liberated" some goods that I believed would be wasted/destroyed anyway, I, for sure, would describe it as scavenging. If someone I didn't like or despised did it, I'd call it looting. That said, I'm sure there is some genuine looting going on.

But not to make a distinction. . . . Well, that's kind of a Republican thing (who would, of course, be scavengers if they found themselves in a similar situation).

Seriously, if we are talking stores, are they really going to be able to sell that merchandise six months down the road?

[William Bloode]

36. ^uck that son of a ... i won't call that it's be an insult to dogs!

The way i feel the bastard should be looted of his life!

[Az_lefty]

37. how about zero tolerance for incompetent presidents?

These stupid bastards were totally unprepared for this disaster and there's no excuse. That high speed meeting they had yesterday should have been held last Saturday to prepare a plan for this type of emergency. Instead boy george stays on vacation and is now running around trying to be the hero. Well it's not going to work this time, I think people are going to see right through this idiot.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

38. A common response by a member of the monied class.

After all, it is more important to protect property than people. Someone paid money for the TV's. Resources will be diverted to prevent looting and theft (carried out by a small percentage of the populace)while human beings suffer and possibly die due to this shift in priorities.....
Compassionate conservative my ass!

[Not_Giving_Up]

39. He should vow zero tolerance on people starving and dehydrating

But, what are the chances of that happening?

[anotherdrew]

40. FUCK YOU bush: take whatever you need people!

[Vox_Reason]

41. Have I mentioned how much I hate these people?

Faux is fanning the flames of racism by showing much footage of black looters.

On CBS news just now, a refugee: "The looters are helping us to survive!"

What a disaster. Another lovely chapter in Bushworld.

[ohgorsh]

68. What Gaul to Call Americans Refugees

So many patients died today waiting for help while they worry about looters ,and babies died,Shows how DC really doesnt care about any of this just raising the money the people in New Orleans will never see
I think when BUSH goes straight to Hell even thats to good for him

[NorthernSpy]

42. FORGET the goddamn TVs! FIND MY AUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:cry:

[WildClarySage]

43. It doesn't do a lot of good for * to discourage 'looting' since

the people doing the 'looting' have no means of seeing or hearing his words. :eyes: But that's * for ya.

[Chicago Democrat]

44. America Vows Zero Tolerance With Incompetance!

Especially from you Mr. Bush!~

[rfkrfk]

45. everything will be looted

thats how life works

check Ebay for stolen items.

[indepat]

46. And zero tolerance of government bungling and insensitivity to human

suffering.

[paineinthearse]

47. Does this apply to his own looting the national treasury of $$$ and armed

forces of LIVES?????

[mitchum]

48. What, he's turning on Halliburton?

[NeoConsSuck]

50. Is he referring to OIL companies or starving American citizens?

As if we didn't know.

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. So stuff is more important then people for Bush

How christian of him.

[nodehopper]

52. BUSH VOWS ZERO TOLERANCE ON BLACK PEOPLE

[sallyseven]

53. But the rich can loot al they want including the Oil Companies.

[Megahurtz]

60. Especially the White Rich. n/t

[ElectroPrincess]

54. The Bush Administration also says that FEMA Director

Michael Brown's top priority is to APPEAR on *all* the Cable news outlets tonight.

Hey! Mike! Go save and feed people!

He's making excuses now both on Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs ... back to back. Does he have time to do anything REALLY productive, like evacuate people?

[cosmicdot]

56. hear that Ken Lay? n/m

[JoFerret]

57. Tony Zambado on MSNBC

...had an excellent report.

[Megahurtz]

58. I think he just wants everyone to die anyway,

and just have an excuse to shoot the rest.:banghead:

[chomskysright]

61. BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT my friend to see what citizens will....

tolerate.

Its Stanley Milgram's experiments in vivo: how much torture will someone accept as given to another? Its Kitty Genovese: I didn't hear nothin'. Its PsyOps.

per Citizens for Legitimate government:
"It was suggested to me by someone that it seems like the lack of assistance in New Orleans was meant to provoke people to extreme violence and chaos. It certainly looks that way to me... but what if new orleans is being used as a test case to see, in a real world setting, how easily a motivated, angry populace (and the military personnel forced to do the dirty work) could be subdued and controlled to create a working model of how to impose endless Martial Law throughout the country while keeping those who might resist under the lid... and those in the armed forces in line. It's a thought... because I find it absolutely incredible how inept the response has been... to the point of criminality on the part of the federal government." --c., CLG reader.

http://www

[cmdrxog]

63. you are almost certainly dead on

The number of people offering to "go shoot the looters" at work today was appalling. If I voiced an objection "I just didn't get it, it was stealing" this was among the office personnel and lower level administrators; the administrative elite fence sat or offered sermons on how law and order are the cornerstones of society.
Only the techies and those out of the loop thought there was something surreally wrong with how the whole NO situation was being handled.
When the whole rotten structure caves in on itself I fear the number of people who resist will be discouragingly small.

[chomskysright]

64. THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT: I'll say it again: to see what US will tolerate

Back up from the horror of what you see. Waay back from facts like the head of FEMA was an estate planning lawyer and represenative for the Arabian Horse Association: www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/ 002458.html...; beyond the martial law imposed; beyond the knowledge about what class storm this was; back beyond the Times-Picayne documenting 9 times over the past year about the problems with the levee; back beyond N.O. being one of 3 disasters to be anticipated as a very real possibility.

Think bigger than bashing the incompetency of FEMA. There's sly purposfulness here and I believe that someone on Citizens for Legitimate Government may have stumbled on it:

"It was suggested to me by someone that it seems like the lack of assistance in New Orleans was meant to provoke people to extreme violence and chaos. It certainly looks that way to me... but what if new orleans is being used as a test case to see, in a real world setting, how easily a motivated, angry populace (and the military personnel forced to do the dirty work) could be subdued and controlled to create a working model of how to impose endless Martial Law throughout the country while keeping those who might resist under the lid... and those in the armed forces in line. It's a thought... because I find it absolutely incredible how inept the response has been... to the point of criminality on the part of the federal government." --c., CLG reader.

http://www.legitgov.org/

Redact to Stanley Milgram's experiments (no longer possible given ethical violations).

Its Stanley Milgram's experiments in vivo: how much torture will someone accept as given to another? http://www.stanleymilgram.com/milgram.php

Controversy surrounded Stanley Milgram for much of his professional life as a result of a series of experiments on obedience to authority which he conducted at Yale University in 1961-1962. He found, surprisingly, that 65% of his subjects, ordinary residents of New Haven, were willing to give apparently harmful electric shocks-up to 450 volts-to a pitifully protesting victim, simply because a scientific authority commanded them to, and in spite of the fact that the victim did not do anything to deserve such punishment.



Its Kitty Genovese: 'I didn't hear nothin'.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

Catherine Genovese ( 1935 - March 13, 1964), commonly known as Kitty Genovese, was a New York City woman who was stabbed to death near her home in the Kew Gardens section of Queens, New York. The circumstances of her murder and the apparent action (or inaction) of her neighbors were sensationalized by a newspaper article published two weeks later and prompted investigation into the psychological phenomenon that became known as the bystander effect or Genovese syndrome....Later investigation revealed that at least 38 individuals nearby had heard or observed portions of the attack,



Its PsyOps whose intention is to 'convince' and 'persuade.'

http://www.psywarrior.com/

"Capture their minds
and their hearts and souls
will follow"

[BrightKnight]

62. Let them eat cake. --n/t

[Maggie_May]

65. screw him

if my baby needed food and water I would find any means of getting it to him or her. God knows I couldn't count on you Bush!!!

[Imagevision]

66. It's obvious Bush is a sick-sick man. He talks before thinking

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[Nostradamus]

69. Any remember those videos of GI's looting Baghdad two years ago

[greyl]

70. His answer was in response to a Q about FOOD & SHOES !

I saw the clip of GMA on a repeat of Primetime.
Sawyer said something like "but some people are getting shoes because their feet are getting cut..."
chimp: "I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this".

[despairing optimist]

71. And the nation vows 100% accountability for Bush

He's not getting away with it this time.

[6000eliot]

72. He gets to talk tough again

It's the only time he can string more than 3 words together.

[applegrove]

73. I think the people looting for something to drink or float on are not

breaking the law. Some of the looters are kids. And some just see a chance for something and are breaking the law. These are not to be confused with the serious violent criminals who used the Hurricane as an opportunity to be predatory.

Bush is wrong. If you need something and there is no rescue or help available - it is not against the law to take it. I would add to that any coolers or floating containers so people could rescue their personal posessions.