Hundreds Attend Mo. Confederate Ceremony

[sintax]

Hundreds Attend Mo. Confederate Ceremony

Sunday June 5, 2005 11:01 PM

By DAVID A. LIEB

Associated Press Writer

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - About 400 people turned out for a Confederate memorial service held Sunday under the rebel battle flag, singing ``Dixie'' and laying roses at a Confederate monument. Miles to the west, meanwhile, protesters demonstrated their disapproval by marching outside the Missouri Governor's Mansion.

Officials with the Confederate Memorial State Historic Site in Higginsville said the turnout there - four times larger than expected - could be attributed to the return of the Confederate flag. Republican Gov. Matt Blunt ordered a one-day flying of the flag at the historic site to coincide with the memorial service, saying he was acting on the request of a state lawmaker who represents the Higginsville area.

The attention ``over that issue caused more people to be aware of the event,'' site administrator Greta Marshall said after the ceremony.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5054445,00.html

[expatriot]

1. I've said it before and I'll it again: I'll take our class war over their

culture war any day of the week. Now if we could just convince more of our fellow-Americans of the same.

[paineinthearse]

2. See related poll in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3792192

p.s. Is this govenor related to Senator Blunt?

[Fovea]

5. He's baby Blunt.

A classic example of piss poor protoplasm at work.

[johnfunk]

6. Maybe if he'd smoke a blunt...

... he'd be a bit more open-minded and less sympathetic to slaver-segregationism apologists.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. His dad is a US congressman

Roy Blunt from SW MO.

[Rose Siding]

3. What a lousy governor!

:(

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Amen to that

His wife wore a fur coat to his inaugural. He installed panic buttons in the governor's mansion. He is kicking 100,000 MIssourians off Medicaid. Now he authorizes flying the confederate flag in the state again.

Oh and he was also sec of state AND chair of *'s re-election campaign in the state.

Matt Blunt has no clue.

[Fovea]

4. Worst Missouri Governor Ever

At least since Claiborn Fox Jackson high tailed it down to Neosho with Sterling Price.

I think maybe we need another Nathaniel Lyons...

I guess Blunt couldn't let the KS attorney general steal all that knuckle dragging ju-ju.

[OzarkDem]

36. A**croft and Bond are runners up

Then again, they had Mel Carnahan - wonderful governor.

[johnfunk]

7. Down with taxpayer support of the treasonous slaver flag!

If I lived in Missouri, I'd be trying to get Democratic legislators to introduce legislation that would rename the site "Treason Memorial State Historic Site."

I have NO sympathy for lovers of the slaving, corporatist, classist Confederacy.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

9. While I agree with your sentiments, there is a little problem

with that.
The Supreme Court and Congress, during re-construction, agreed that the display of the Confederate Flag was not treason in and of its self.

Further court decisions have allowed it to be used just like this for historical purposes.

Attacking the funding is a good idea, I don't think there is any or much support for having state employees do it.

[WI Independent]

10. I see nothing wrong with honoring dead soldiers...

Do you understand the motivation of a lot of Iraqi insurgents? Do you think the motivation of a lot of the confederate soldiers was really THAT different? Most of those soldiers didn't own slaves... they were trying to repel an invading army.

The rich almost always start wars... and the poor almost always fight and die in them.

[Spinzonner]

14. I have to agree

If we're going to deprive them of honor because they were lost in an ultimately futile enterprise, then what do we say and do about are Vietnam Vets ? It's the same mistake; do not blame the warrior if his service was honorable.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. So should we fly the Nazi flag

or the Japanese flag to commemorate WWII??

[jwirr]

25. This is a loaded issue!

First of all this is still a touchy issue in MO because of the Civil War history there. That state had a mini-Civil War all of it's own going on so the confederate flag is an integral part of their state history.

Second, you asked about displaying the Nazi or Japanese flags. I worked as an archivist at our local historical society museum. We worked with the local vets to set up a memorial room for all the wars. In our artifacts were one of each of these flags and we faced the question of how to display them since we often have visitors from Japan and Germany. As am American of German descent, who hates what the Nazi's did to Germany and Germans (made us ashamed), I did not want to give the Nazi flag any place of honor. I was soundly vetoed by the veterans themselves who reminded me that the war was over and it was time for peace.

[icymist]

19. Except that the Civil War pretty much started in Missouri and Kansas.

Those in Missouri were very much intent on making the new territory a 'slave' state while those in Kansas were not. The skirmishes between these two territories were the beginnings of the rumblings of this war.

[Fovea]

22. There is a difference between honoring the

Missouri Confederate dead, and flying the flag of the confederacy, which is now more commonly associated with racist terrorism.

[trapper914]

31. Nothing wrong with honoring dead soldiers...

...but we shouldn't honor what they fought for...Treason against the United States of America.

[Chicago Democrat]

8. Ancient history....utterly irrelevent to the modern era...

just wierd and stupid

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

12. Weird and stupid, and VERY relevent

Red states and Blue states can be characterized as Grey and Blue just as well.

We are still fighting some of the same battles which were never resolved.

[CatholicEdHead]

24. Can they ever really get resolved?

They seem to ebb and flow over the years, but never really go away.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

27. I don't know. But it is only when you look at the issues of

today with the lens of history that you realize that we are still fighting the same battles Hamilton and Jay were.

[Terran]

32. Wow, you have a strange view of history

if you think the Civil War, which ended only 140 years ago, is ancient history and has no relevance to the way things are now.

[Chicago Democrat]

33. I just think that Re-enactors and Civil War nuts are very very very weird

Why celebrate that horror? That's all I meant.

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[sasquatch]

13. Nope, let them go, we'll only benefit

[Rebellious Republican]

18. Statewide KKK meeting held in JEFFERSON CITY, Mo.

"About 400 people turned out for a Confederate memorial service"

Funny I would have thought Mo. could have mustered more clansman for the event.

I guess gas was to expensive for the rest to travel, or could it be they had to give up their manufacturing jobs and could not come up with the spare change?

Maybe those lucky enough to find work part time at Walmart and Burger King could not afford to take the time off. You never know when some eager young undocumented worker may may slide into your position while slacking off, and at half the salary.

:sarcasm:

[madrchsod]

20. the kkk and the aryan nations are the real

terrorists in this country and to fly their sacred flag is sicking,but this is the new america where the past is our future.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Great website

for those who want more info on MO's idiot governor

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/

[liberaliraqvet26]

23. Wasnt Missouri a free state?

I may be wrong but I can swear I remember that from my New York City public school education.

[Dhalgren]

26. No, Mo was a slave state.

It didn't secede, though it did send a lot of soldiers to the Confederate Army. I can understand people wanting to honor their dead ancestors, but I think they should stick to a less puke inducing symbol - maybe the original "Stars and Bars" or maybe no flag, at all. It isn't, after all, required...

[Yupster]

28. Missouri did have

representation in the Confederate congress.

It and Kentucky were kind of in both countries at the same time.They also each had a Federal and a Confederate governor.

[Dhalgren]

29. Right. But Mo and Ky neither seceded.

Maryland didn't, either - though it was a close vote...

[Bridget Burke]

34. If they used the REAL Confederate flag, it wouldn't have the meaning.

The anti-Civil Rights meaning the Battle Flag gained in the 50's & 60's, that is.

Actually, the Battle Flag was square--the rectangular version was used by the Confederate Navy. And idiotic racists.

[deacon2]

38. Question for Bridget Burke

"Actually, the Battle Flag was square--the rectangular version was used by the Confederate Navy. And idiotic racists."

Thanks for that. Is there a reason the naval standard was rectangular versus square for ground troops?

[Bridget Burke]

39. Nope, don't know why the size was different.

The jack was flown from a "jackstaff" located on the bow of a ship, and was only flown when the ship was in port. The Naval Jack denoted the ship was a ship of war. The naval regulations of 1863 adopted the new National Ensign and also adopted a new Naval Jack. It was to be the same as the regimental battle flags, except it's length was to be one and a half times it's width. The Naval jack of 1863 is very much like the Battle Flag of several units of the Army of Tennessee.

www.scv674.org/csaflags.htm

This site includes the flag of the 10th Tennessee Infantry: "Sons of Erin." There were Irish units on both sides of the War.

And several Christian Confederate flags!!!!

[catmandu57]

30. It didn't look like there was 400

From what they showed on the news last night, there looked to be maybe a hundred people there, but, numbers get fucked with. We've seen that time and again, when we have thousands protesting the monkeyboy* it gets deflated, and when a hundred racist show up for something it gets inflated.

This state has became a nightmare to live in.

[confludemocrat]

35. The mourning of out-and-out white supremacy

These people can't help themselves. Both parties have made common cause with these types and it is one the greatest stains on this nation along with the attempted extermination of Native Americans, and should give pause to anyone who would trumpet our "greatness".

I am the direct descendant of a Native American confederate cavalry officer, so to those who love to pay homage to this miserable, mistaken chapter in our history, I can say: y'all make me sick, it is tragic history, so give it up.

[OzarkDem]

37. Honor Quantrill's Raiders?

Hardly a history worth honoring, unless you also happen to like Al Qaeda.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/William-Quantrill