GOP SURVEY - NO SUPPORT FOR NUCLEAR OPTION (FILLIBUSTER)

[powergirl]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050422/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight_15


WASHINGTON - Private Republican polling shows scant support for a plan to stop minority Democrats from blocking judicial nominees, officials said Thursday, as two of President Bush's most controversial appointments advanced toward a possible Senate confrontation.



These officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a recent survey taken for Senate Republicans showed 37 percent support for the GOP plan to deny Democrats the ability to filibuster judicial nominees, while 51 percent oppose.


Additionally, the survey indicated only about 20 percent of Americans believe the Republican statement that Bush is the first president in history whose court appointees have been subjected to a filibuster, a tactic in which opponents can prevent a vote unless supporters gain 60 votes. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, noting the survey data has not been made public.


Coincidentally, the polling was presented to GOP aides a few hours after the Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines to send the nominations of Texas judge Priscilla Owen and California judge Janice Rogers Brown to the full Senate for confirmation. Bush picked Owen for the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans and Brown for the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia.

[TacticalPeek]

1. Bwaahahahahahahaha!

Read 'em and weep, right wing zealot trash!

[marmar]

2. Nice to hear, but...

I wonder if it will be enough to get these psychotic mo-fos to sit their asses down!?!

:nopity:

[BlueIris]

6. Yeah...

I'd be more optimistic except for that little matter of these thugs being well, THUGS. With no respect for what the majority of their own party wants let alone the majority of the country.

::seconds the nopity::

[vSmith]

56. Considering the Response:

Perhaps the thugs don't have full control over them. Maybe the vilification can resort to the idiot extremists of the party...and then they'll be left far behind.

[radfringe]

58. from various articles

it still looks like GOPers are still willing to nuke themselves - despite what the polls say

it's obvious they don't care what people think any more than bush* does

between wrapping themselves in the flag, and carrying a cross - they may end up tripping over the flag and conking themselves in the head with the cross

[uppityperson]

3. Coincidence? Step-sister to glitch? hahahahaha

eat dirt you repubs

[seemslikeadream]

4. Frist and his little lap dogs

Coleman Martinez Thune

[ticapnews]

5. 20 percent actually believe the filibuster has never been used

to block appointments before?

Wow.

[sonicx]

9. More than that think Saddam had something to do with 9/11

[Daphne08]

19. I think we found Rash Limpballs' audience.

:bounce:

[merwin]

33. It's sad, isn't it? Most republicans believe EVERY lie that comes out of

thier mouths. Including the one today where Bush said that the delay of the Bolton vote was the Democrats' fault. Never mind that the person who actually blocked it was a REPUBLICAN.

[MeinaShaw]

53. Well it is for sure Mr. Smith never made it to Washington on this one...

Maybe that's just a Hollywood filibuster and with the real ones business and votes just keep on going.

[arsonata]

55. Yeah...

That's what was really scary to me. How can people be that ignorant. I remember that before the election there was a poll that said a large percentage of conservatives believed we actually did find WMDs and that there is a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam. I know I'm prejudice, but I can't imagine as many liberals being that blind.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. First Terri, and now this. n/t

[Historic NY]

8. Oh my oh dear......whats old Dr. Frist to do............

I would suggest resigning.

[ender]

10. lets see if they have "conviction"

go on boys, show those xtians how big your "morals" are.

[AlCzervik]

11. "Man on dog " Santorum already said today that based on the

bad polling numbers that he wants a delay. the gop always claim they don't govern by poll numbers, what a crock of shit.

[calimary]

22. What's the "man on dog" reference?

I must have missed something.

[AlCzervik]

25. here it is

Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that's what? Children. Monogamous relationships. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

Direct quote from Santorum
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Rick_Santorum

[calimary]

26. Ahhh... thanks!

And apologies to dogs everywhere (especially mine)! What a putz little ricky (or is that just dick-y) is. Undoubtedly a very SMALL putz at that.

[MADem]

28. Oh, but WAIT....there's MORE!!!!!

[Zhade]

31. Nice!

:rofl:

[KansDem]

39. Wow! That photo! Does anyone else see a resemblance to Bill the Kid?

Or compare with this actual photo of "The Kid..."



Uncanny!

[mimitabby]

43. yes, indeed!

[Arugula Latte]

44. Who said the "box turtle" quote in reference to gay marriage?

Anyone have that one?

Man-on-box turtle. Now THAT is kinky.

[AlCzervik]

46. Why it was the distinguished senator from Texas

and by distinguished i mean asshole.

"It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right. . . . Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife."

-- Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), advocating a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage in a speech Thursday to the Heritage Foundation.

[Mountainman]

12. Well I guess I have some fun listening to Laura Inghram and her callers

whine again tomorrow.

Today it was all about the Ohio congress critter and his stand against Bolton. Whine whine whine all morning.

[Erika]

24. Yeah, I heard her also

The extremists actually thought they had the American public behind them.

[Moderator]

13. Please change your headline to the one on the story

"GOP Survey Shows Few Plan to Stop Dems"

Thank you.

[Azathoth]

14. People didn't support the Schiavo fiasco either

But the GOP still pushed it through. When the fundies stamp their feet and scream, their limp-wristed puppets in the GOP obey. Frist has backed himself into a corner. The fundies aren't going to take 'no' for an answer, so he's going to have to put his money where his mouth is and try to end the filibuster even if it drives his approval rating into single digits.

[wakeme2008]

15. It is not the Fundies this time

He promised Bush all his Judges will go thru... IMHO Frist will not go against Bush.

[Azathoth]

18. I get the impression that it has more to do with the fundies

I'm sure Frist doesn't want to cross Dubya, but I think his real goal is to get fundie support for his 2008 presidential run. The fundies are the ones pushing the "filibuster is being used against people of faith the way it was used against blacks and minorities" bullshit. They're the ones running the television commercials and telethons and holding conferences in support of the nuclear option. Most of the non-religious conservative groups have been pretty tepid on the filibuster issue, but the fundies have been foaming at the mouth over it. I remember reading somewhere that fundie leaders have already put Frist on notice that they won't support his presidential run in 2008 if he doesn't succeed in getting a bunch of Roy Moore clones appointed over the next two years.

[rocktivity]

45. The filibuster is being used against people of faith?

How? What has the judiciary been doing that interferes with the ability of these people to practice their faith?

:headbang:
rocknation

[grytpype]

23. Yeah, but they didn't know what public reaction to Schivo would be.

They were shocked when the polls came back and 70+ percent were opposed to their intervention.

Now they have the Schiavo experience, plus Dumbya's Insane Social Security Adventure, and the smarter Repugs are realizing that they're going too far.

[Zhade]

32. 82%, not 70+.

Just for the record. :)

[ailsagirl]

16. Makes no sense-- it would seem they'd all be FOR blocking

the Dems. Totally inconsistent with the rethugs' bulldozer approach. I'm from Missouri on that one.

[Gothmog]

17. The numbers are against them but Frist may have to go nuclear anyway

Frist may be committed to going nuclear to keep the right wing fundies happy. If he pulls the nuclear option and it fails, he is toast.

[ginnyinWI]

21. I think he's toast already

He's aligned himself with a president who has a 40-something approval rating!

[calimary]

27. Good! I read here somewhere today that frist is betting it all on this

for his presidential prospects in 2008. If he fails, observers say his would-be candidacy is DOA.

GOOD. Let Dr. Vivisectionist go the way of a thousand cuts.

[Mich Otter]

20. "20 percent of Americans believe the Republican"

The sorry fact is that those 20% actually can go to the polls and vote despite being totally brain dead ignoramuses. Sometimes I think we need to have people pass some sort of intelligence test before they are allowed to vote. Maybe we could weigh votes by IQ so the smarter peoples votes count for more.

[Bake]

29. While i agree in spirit,

don't forget that the racists have, in the past, used everything from a poll tax to a literacy test to prevent poor blacks from exercising their franchise.

We have to beat them in the marketplace of ideas.

Bake

[Zhade]

30. Kick

Kick

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. They didn't ask god, and god is the guy who wants it. He told frist.

[paineinthearse]

35. "Private Republican polling..." "...speaking on condition of anonymity..."

"...Private Republican polling..." "...speaking on condition of anonymity..."

:wtf:

I smell a big fat RRRat.

[Don_1967]

36. any rebublican with common sence

has to know that they will not always be in the majority & the will need the filibuster in the future.

[wallwriter]

37. Even their own rotten party

isn't as desperately hideous as the current leadership. PLus, aren't these the guys who act on principle, not polls, until they get polls they don't like. WHat a bunch of scumbags.

[rocktivity]

38. You had no support with Terri Schiavo but you didn't let that stop you

And as a reward for exercising such moral resolve, you got: a baby-killer president, an impeachable presidential candidate, a psychotically hypocritical majority leader, a doctor who made a diagnosis via a four-year-old video, and a freeper Jesus freak show that horrified moderate voters. You're not even allowing the complete vilification of your first anti-judicial conference to slow you down. You're doing another one this Sunday, and webcasting it, no less!

So you just ignore those polls (your boss President Mightymouse says he does) and forge right ahead with your nuclear option--we Dems need all the ex-GOP and undecided votes we can get! GO, GOP TEAM, GO! RAH RAH RAH!


rocknation

[The Blue Knight]

41. That 20%...

That's a good number, glad to see RNC propoganda isn't working on the public. You guys have to realize, those 20% are RADICAL conservatives, who eat up this shit. That means 80% of the American people know the Reps are full of shit when they spew this line.


Good news!

[Hobarticus]

40. So, Republicans do indeed pay attention to polls

After the election rhetoric last year, who knew?

[Webster Green]

42. I am proud of our dems in the Senate....

I was watching C-Span last nite, and the dems were awesome. I got so caught up watching Dick Durbin defend our system of checks and balances, that I missed the first 10 minutes of the Daily Show.

That doesn't happen too often!

[Democat]

47. Fox needs to work harder

Give Fox time to try to convert people to Bush's lies!

[Name removed]

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[lovuian]

49. I think Repubs are getting tired of the Texas Mafia!!!

and thats not good for up east!!!

[beam me up scotty]

50. The polls won't matter at all

unless the voting process is fixed and the people demand full accountability of their votes. As long as there is no verifiable paper trail and the machines are controlled by right wing zealots, the republicans will be winning future elections at all levels.

:banghead:

[Paul Dlugokencky]

54. Bingo

As long as votes and elections can be manipulated, polls won't matter if there is something they really want to do.



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats

[Carolab]

51. Pisses me off when they try to say it's sets a precedent.

The Republicans act now like using the filibuster to stop radical judges being placed on the bench is some kind of outragous new thing, yet they used this tactic themselves when Clinton was in office. (Also, never mind the fact that out of 251 judicial nominations, only 10 have been stalled.)

[beam me up scotty]

52. They not only used it

but they abused it.

From the Democratic Policy Commitee website:

While only two of President Bush's judicial nominees have been defeated in open votes, nearly 60 of President Clinton's judicial nominees were defeated through secret, anonymous holds and other secretive, non-transparent Republican tactics.(emphasis in original)

http://democrats.senate.gov/~dpc/pubs/107-2-285.html

[GetTheRightVote]

57. NIce to know that most people in this country are still good & normal

:kick: