Theologian calls for response to 9/11

[seemslikeadream]

By Samara Kalk Derby
April 19, 2005


...

Griffin, whose book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," came out a year ago, drew an enthusiastic standing ovation from the majority of the 400 or so people who packed his lecture Monday night at Bascom Hall.

...

Drawing laughter from the crowd, Griffin said he had in mind principles like: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' oil" and "Thou shalt not murder thy neighbors in order to steal their oil."

While Griffin noted that his books and talks have not received attention from the mainstream media, C-SPAN had a cameraman at the event and plans to air the lecture at a future date. Madison's public access cable television station, WYOU-TV/Channel 4, meanwhile, will air the talk at 7 p.m. Thursday.

Americans interpret the events of Sept. 11 in one of four ways, Griffin said:

• A first group accepts the official interpretation that Sept. 11 was a surprise attack by Islamic terrorists. It is easy for these people "to think of America's so-called War on Terror as a just war," Griffin said.

more
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/index.php?ntid=36617&ntpid=3

[musette_sf]

1. Everyone

should read "The New Pearl Harbor".
:patriot:

[MissWaverly]

4. Yes, I have my copy

http://www.interlinkbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PLST&Store_Code=46

The thing that struck me the most that I had never heard before was the actual description of the towers failure:

Griffin,David:The New Pearl Harbor, Olive Branch press, 2004 pg 18-19
"Perhaps 100,000 tons of concrete in each building was pulverized to a powder...in order to pulverize concrete into powder, explosives must be used...the use of explosives is perhaps even more strongly suggested by another feature of the collapses...namely that when the towers started to collapse, they did not fall straight down as the pancake theory holds.

They exploded. The powder was ejected horizontally from the buildings with such force that the buildings surrounded with enormous dust clouds that that were perhaps three times the width of the buildings themselves...some of the photographs show that rather large pieces of the tower were also thrown out 150 feet or more.

[musette_sf]

14. You will find on the DU 9/11 board

that this topic is ardently argued. One thing I found particularly interesting, was a post on the book "102 Minutes", which was put out by Times (as in New York) Books. A baiting dissenter posted an excerpt from the book as to how the fireproofing, or alleged lack of same, was "proof" as to why the buildings "collapsed". I have read lots and lots of 9/11 books and info, and I remembered that exact description from another book. A little research, and lo and behold, the identical description was indeed in a book I had read - "City In The Sky", also published, what a coincidence, by Times Books.

So while the Old Grey Lady joins in the MSM chorus of the "Official Story", here is David Griffin, a man of God who shows up all the Bu$hCo christo-fascists as the lying hateful scum they are, with his slim volume of questions and truths. Sad.

:patriot:

In memory of
Juan Cisneros
2/16/77 - 9/11/01

[MissWaverly]

17. I pray for justice for all

I know the election in 2004 was stolen, I saw it happen I was there and when I say the election was stolen, someone usually comes up with the answer, "you don't know that, you're just a conspiracy theorist." Yes I do, I believe what I see with my own eyes.

I saw the clouds of concrete dust in the 9-11 videos, it was there, if the only thing that causes 100,000 tons of concrete to turn to dust is an explosion, then that's what happened,

I'm sorry about your loss, there is no way to make up for that, but I constantly pray for justice instead of this idiots game of you don't know that, when I do know that.

[musette_sf]

28. It was critical that NO evidence be found

nor any injured people who saw and heard more than was "officially" to be told.

Juan's loss should be mourned to his fiancee, Stephanie. Back at the end of 2001 I ordered a Mercy Band (BAND = Bearing Another's Name Daily) and asked that I receive one for someone who was lost in the World Trade Center. I received Juan's name, and found that he had worked for Cantor Fitzgerald as a broker. I had especially wanted the name of someone at Cantor, because the loss was so stunning, and coincidence sent me Juan. I wear the bracelet every day, for his loved ones and for all who were lost.

Indicentally, my sister's best friend was a secretary at Cantor for years, and had decided to retire about a year before 9/11/01. So many friends lost.

Not a day goes by that I do not pray for the lost, and for their loved ones. There was no reason for them to die that day.

http://www.legacy.com/LegacyTribute/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&PersonId=158048

[zipplewrath]

25. None of this is true

"Perhaps 100,000 tons of concrete in each building was pulverized to a powder...in order to pulverize concrete into powder, explosives must be used...the use of explosives is perhaps even more strongly suggested by another feature of the collapses...namely that when the towers started to collapse, they did not fall straight down as the pancake theory holds. "

I powderize concrete all the time without the use of explosives. The easiest way is to crush it, which is what will happen if you
let it fall under the weight of the buidling above. And it was not
"all powederized". Alot of it was yes, but no where near all.

As for "pancake theories", they fell amazingly "straight" down
considering how they could have fallen. Buckling happens fairly quickly and the initial failure was predominately a buckling failure of the steel. Once it initiated, it happened fast. I've seen rivets fly off in progressive failures that sound like a machine gun going off. Those buildings collapsed pretty much like you would have expected.

If you want to look for lies around the collapse, look at the blantant lies told about the air quality around the site for days as it burned.

[kysrsoze]

29. Exactly. Those building went down almost completely vertical

I didn't see anything indicating an explosion at the bottom of the towers. The video plainly shows the buildings collapsed from the top down.

Now...that doesn't mean the plane crashes themselves weren't an inside job.

[renaldo]

31. WTC 7

WTC 7, a 47 story steel building covering a block, was NOT hit by a plane, had a relatively small fire of unknown origin burning for a few hours. It then fell from the BOTTOM UP, exactly as in a controlled demolition. Several floors were rented by the CIA, and more by the SEC, which just HAPPENED to storing records of investigations like Enron. Every single vertical steel I-beam failed at exactly the same moment, regardless if it was in the fire or not. The beams broke into convenient 12 foot lengths for hauling away under armed guard. The scrap was immediately sent to China.

Our country is has mass murderers at the very top.

[evolvenow]

41. Excellent post, welcome to DU. WTC 7 is the most mysterious, and blatant

part of this, IMHO they planned murder of thousands to justify the war criminals illegal war machine. There should be impeachments, and perp walks to the Hague by all of the murderers and all of their profits redirected to rebuilding a sustainable and gentler world.

When enough people realize that these events of murder of innocent people all over the world for resources, stolen elections and installations of mercenaries are real...perhaps the world will no longer comply. Do not let anyone join any army, navy...etc. Killing will end, when everyone says "Hell No".

And what about the 911 transcripts during that horrific morning, and people who witnessed rockets being shot off the top of WTC 7? What about that building being purchased and insured up to the gills, weeks before? What about the warnings to certain officials.

They fucking knew and how any of them live with these facts is unbelievable.

[evolvenow]

42. And what about the missing gold, was that ever found? Huge $$$$$$.

[maxsolomon]

2. theologians don't know nothin

about my life

-wilco! yay!

[babylonsister]

3. Just copied this info-Griffin's books sound like

must-reads. Damn the media for not promoting this point of view. Thanks!

[seemslikeadream]

5. Griffin mentions the "put options"

There was the extraordinarily high volume of "put options" purchased in the three days before the attacks, Griffin said, with investors betting that stock in United and American Airlines - the two airlines used in the attacks - would go down. There were also a suspiciously high number of put options for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories of the World Trade Center.

:hi:

[Frederik]

8. Not only put options on airlines

and Morgan Stanley. Suspiciously high activity (buying) in 5-year Treasury bonds, which is something you buy if a crisis is looming, in oil, in gold, which were logically going to rise, and shorting of the insurers that were going to be implicated (especially French AXA and German reinsurer Munich Re), at least 38 companies that were affected were subject to this mysterious pre-attack interest. There was a lot about this in the media the first few weeks, then suddenly nothing. The SEC and the 9/11 Commission briefly concluded that the trading "was not terrorist-related". Well, then presumably it was related to non-terrorists who knew exactly what was going to happen, down to which companies would be affected...

And, there's the unexplained surge in financial transactions going through the WTC computers just before the attack, which was described as extremely high by the company that was hired to restore the info on the WTC harddrives, German Convar GmbH. Convar was soon after, while they were in the middle of their investigation, acquired by Kroll associates, a known CIA front company (known as the "CIA of Wall Street") that incidentally also provided security in the WTC. The results of Convar's investigations has yet to be made known.

Though you probably knew that, Seemslikeadrem :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

18. One more time A. B. "Buzzy" Krongard

A. B. "Buzzy" Krongard
working links here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3039927#3040865



But Krongard exhibited the requisite secretiveness when asked
to explain his interest in intelligence and how he came to land
a job in Tenet's inner circle. If you go back to the CIA's origins
during World War II in the Office of Strategic Services, he
explained, "the whole OSS was really nothing but Wall Street
bankers and lawyers."
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16570-2001Ma ...

Supressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly into the CIA’s Highest Ranks
CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard managed firm that handled “PUT” options on United Airline Stock
by Michael C. Ruppert

FTW - October 9, 2001 – Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial
markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these
trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the “put options” on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is
now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.

Until 1997 A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. Krongard then
became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected
to money laundering. Krongard’s last position at Banker’s Trust (BT) was to oversee “private client relations.” In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with
some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being
closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President
Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And,
as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.
more
http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

Follow the Money: Bush, 9/11, and Deep Threat

by Fran Shor
Published on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 by CommonDreams.org

The CIA and Other Deep Pockets

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 a number of news stories appeared concerning investments in “put” options in United and American Airlines. Put options are shares that are bets on falling market prices for specific stocks. In the week before September 11 put options in United and American Airlines went through a furious and unprecedented spasm of investment. In addition put options for Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch, two of the biggest occupants of the World Trade Center, also saw abnormal activity. Most of the investments in these put options originated in Germany through the Deutsche Bank. Deutshce Bank had earlier acquired Banker’s Trust, a investment banking firm whose Vice Chairman in charge of “private client relations” in the late 1990’s was A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard. In March of 2001, Krongard was appointed Executive Director of the CIA.

Certainly, the CIA has a history of laundering money and dealings with shady investment characters. What becomes particularly relevant in the lead-up to 9/11 is the August CIA briefing of Bush concerning the potential threat of attacks by bin Laden using hijacked planes on certain sites, such as the Pentagon and World Trade Center, and the fact that the CIA had bugging equipment on bin Laden messages and international banking operations. Although no one has apparently claimed the money from the put options, questions remain about Krongard and the CIA’s involvement.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0522-07.htm


NEW CIA UNIVERSITY
REVEALS AGENCY PRIORITIES
July 3, 2002,-- 17:00 PDT (FTW) -- The CIA is now operating a university somewhere in northern Virginia. According to an entry in a June 24 newsletter published by an association of former intelligence officers, some of the courses taught at the university are "economic trends, international banking, the world oil market, and how the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, etc. and other non-governmental organizations work."

For four years FTW has been teaching that the CIA's primary role, it's raison d'etre, was to serve the interests of Wall Street and the major banks. In our recent three-country lecture tour, our documentation of the close links between CIA and Wall Street has taken many by surprise. Thirty years ago Professor Peter Dale Scott of Berkeley disclosed that six out of the first seven deputy directors of intelligence (CIA's number two position) had gone directly from Wall Street into service at the Agency. Since Sept. 11, FTW's disclosure that the CIA's current executive director, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, is a former investment banker has caused deeper rumbles. The firm he once headed, AlexBrown/Deutschebank, has been connected to insider trading on United Air Lines stock just before the Sept. 11 attacks. The NYSE's current executive vice president for enforcement, David Doherty, is a retired CIA general counsel.
more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070302_CIA_U....

procedure used at Deutschebank/AB Brown assured anonymity

"European reporters found that most of the suspicious pre-attack trades passed through Deutschebank and especially via CIA Executive Director A.B. Krongard’s former Alex Brown investment division by means of a procedure called portage, which assures the anonymity of individuals making the transactions. But Congress has not publicly revealed whether they will call Krongard and other Alex Brown traders to testify in open hearings, or whether they will subpoena the pre-attack documents in question."
more
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00119.htm

A Deutsche Bank executive was convicted of money laundering shortly before 9/11, and the bank laundered heroin money linked to the CIA.

And Shattuck actually resigned on September 12(!) from his three-year $30 million contract as head of AB Brown.


SMOKING GUN BURIED DURING CALIFORNIA RECALL VOTE!

On October 7 while the eyes of America were fixed on the California Recall vote the Securities and Exchange Commission quietly announced it was closing its investigation of suspicious stock trades connected to 911. The SEC's reason for closing the investigation can best be summed up as "What insider trading?".

...

* Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45.00 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6.

* Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45.00 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in these options had been 252 contracts per day.

The CIA routinely monitors stock trades looking for exactly these kinds of suspicious transactions. The fact that these trades failed to sound any alarms is in itself suspicious as the bank which was the trading hub has a man inside the Agency. That man is CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard and the bank is Deutsche bank.

http://ez-websites.com/grudge /


September 6-10, 2001: Suspicious trading occurs on American and United, the two airlines used in the 9/11 attacks. "Between 6 and 7 September, The Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put option contracts (a speculation that the stock will go down) in UAL versus 396 call options – where a speculator bets on a price rising. Holders of the put options would have netted a profit of $5 million once the carrier's share price dived after September 11. On 10 September, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. Investigators cannot help but notice that no other airlines saw such trading in their put options." One analyst says: "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets." (Associated Press, 9/18/01, San Francisco Chronicle, 9/19/01) "To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the "put" options ... on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by "Buzzy" Krongard, now executive director of the CIA." Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc., which was bought by Deutsche Bank. "His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust – Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world." (Independent, 10/14/01)
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/index.html


Let Bin Laden stay free, says CIA man AB “Buzzy” Krongard

January 09, 2005
Tony Allen-Mills

...

If the world’s most wanted terrorist is captured or killed, a power struggle among his Al-Qaeda subordinates may trigger a wave of terror attacks, said AB “Buzzy” Krongard, who stepped down six weeks ago as the CIA’s third most senior executive.

“You can make the argument that we’re better off with him (at large),” Krongard said. “Because if something happens to Bin Laden, you might find a lot of people vying for his position and demonstrating how macho they are by unleashing a stream of terror.”

Krongard, a former investment banker who joined the CIA in 1998, said Bin Laden’s role among Islamic militants was changing. “He’s turning into more of a charismatic leader than a terrorist mastermind,” he said. “Some of his lieutenants are the ones to worry about.” Krongard, 68, said he viewed Bin Laden “not as a chief executive but more like a venture capitalist”.

...

Several US officials have privately admitted that it may be better to keep Bin Laden pinned down on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan rather than make him a martyr or put him on trial. But Krongard is the most senior figure to acknowledge publicly that his capture might prove counter-productive.

Krongard also acknowledged that the CIA was still having trouble planting spies in Islamic militant ranks. “There are hundreds and hundreds of (Al-Qaeda) cells — it’s like a living, moving bit of protoplasm,” he said.

more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1431539,00 ...



:hi: Frederik

[DulceDecorum]

30. Let's pick a story. Say, data recovery from the WTC.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=454

Convar Systeme Deutschland GmbH was retrieving data concerning the suspicious financial transactions that took place on and around September 11.
In June 2002, Convar was acquired by Kroll Associates.
In July 2004, Kroll was acquired by Marsh & McLennan Companies and became an operating unit of Marsh Inc., its risk and insurance services subsidiary.
Marsh & McLennan Companies have been caught misbehaving and the ENTIRE insurance industry is embroiled in a colossal scandal.

October 14, 2004
Attorney General Eliot Spitzer today sued the nation's leading insurance brokerage firm, alleging that it steered unsuspecting clients to insurers with whom it had lucrative payoff agreements, and that the firm solicited rigged bids for insurance contracts.
Simultaneously, Spitzer announced that two insurance company executives have pleaded guilty to criminal charges in connection with the scheme.
The actions against the brokerage firm, Marsh & McLennan Companies, and the two executives stem from a widening investigation of fraud and anti-competitive practices in the insurance industry. Evidence revealed in today's lawsuit also implicates other major insurance carriers.
<snip>
Major insurance companies -- ACE, AIG, The Hartford and Munich American Risk Partners -- are named in the complaint as participants in steering and bid rigging. Other insurance companies are still under investigation, up to an including Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway. Lloyds of London has been experiencing similar deep distress for years.
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2004/oct/oct14a_04.html

This one case, in Louisiana leads back to New York
and is an indicator of the magnitude of the problem on Wall Street.

Sunday, March 27, 2005
The scrutiny comes at a time when insurance broker pay is under the microscope throughout the country, thanks to a still-unfolding probe by New York state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. That investigation has shown that some of the nation's largest insurance brokers, including industry giant Marsh & McClellan, engaged in bid-rigging and other practices that benefited the firm but hurt clients. Among other things, the probe has led to industry promises to disclose fully how much brokers are being paid.
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-3/111190694296260.xml

Since the Saudis pulled their money out of the NYSE
Wall Street has been teetering on the brink of outright collapse and they have done everything they can to keep up appearances of affluence and good health.
Hence the Social Security plan whereby they get their hands on the last remaining financial asset -- or what is left of it.

The Saudis pulled their money out for many reasons, some related to their own survival, and that of the entire Islamic world. Muslims are not supposed to put the funds into accounts that will accrue interest because interest is seen as pure exploitation of other human beings. This means that Muslims have been actively looking for an alternative banking system, and THAT is not something that the World bank nor the IMF is eager for. Especially considering the considerable mineral wealth upon which Islam sits. The development of sharia banking is widely seen as "a jihad"against Western interests, and Muslims who invest in such institutions are routinely accused of "funding terrorists."
Wahhabism can be considered to be a euphemism for Saudi investment. Billionaire Rafiq Hariri of Lebanon accepted "Wahhabism" and see how it got him a Cedar "Revolution."

Persons interested in knowing more about the connection between Wall Street and the Pentagon should have a closer look at Thomas Barnett and Cantor Fitzgerald.

Early in 2000, Barnett served as director of the NewRulesSets.Project in partnership with Wall Street broker-dealer firm, Cantor Fitzgerald; the focus of which was to dissect the multifarious influences and impact of globalization on world the economy and international security, and produce a series of highly sophisticated war game workshops. Thought leaders from Wall Street, academia and national security concerns participated in three of the war game workshops at One World Trade Center. The series ended, as did Cantor Fitzgerald's participation, after the 9/11 tragedy.
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/events/pressreleases/20041104barnett.html

First, we need to expand dramatically the dialogue between Wall Street and the Pentagon regarding how globalization changes our definitions of national security. Over the past several years, the Naval War College has collaborated with the broker-dealer firm Cantor Fitzgerald in conducting a series of Economic Security Exercises examining scenarios such as a terrorist strike against Wall Street, the Year 2000 Problem, and Asia’s future energy needs.
These pioneering war games are the brainchild of retired Navy Admiral William J. Flanagan, Senior Managing Director of Cantor Fitzgerald, which until 11 September had its international headquarters in the uppermost floors of the World Trade Center. It is not hyperbole to call the September terrorist strike a new form of warfare. Cantor Fitzgerald’s catastrophic human loss (roughly two-thirds of the 1,000 employees headquartered in the World Trade Center) only underscored the paradigm shift. These individuals were killed not only to terrorize the American people, but also to disable U.S. financial markets and, by doing so, diminish global investor confidence in their long-term stability.
http://www.usni.org/proceedings/articles01/PROBarnett10.htm

Cantor Fitzgerald is the largest trader of US Treasuries and accounts for half of all government bond trading. The company trades securities, equities, derivatives, and foreign stocks. It operates the Cantor Exchange, an electronic US Treasury futures exchange, and offers electronic trading of sovereign debt. Its electronic trading platform eSpeed was spun off in 1999, though Harold Lutnick (CEO of both firms) has retained a majority interest.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/101/101107.html

Howard Lutnick is the man who appeared on TV, shortly after the implosion, asking for business investments to help Cantor widows and families, whose funds he cut off before the end of that same week.
On Wall Street, Lutnick is known as The Grim Weeper.

Perhaps the investigation of the insurance industry will unearth the truth about September 11.
And then again, maybe not.

[Frederik]

32. Wow, thanks

A few more dots to connect... Wall Street is at the centre of all this, and not just because the buildings that were knocked down happened to be located there.

I've been extremely suspicious of that Barnett for some time.

[JohnyCanuck]

6. I sent the author of the newspaper article a complimentary email.

(Figuring there'll be lots of freeper type hate mail to counteract).


[email protected]

Thanks, for your very gutsy (especially in today's climate) piece on the Griffin lecture. I am a Canadian and like many others I doubted the official explanation of the 9.11 attacks from day one and have been following with interest the work of various researchers, investigative journalists and authors such as Daniel Hopsicker ( www.madcowprod.com ), Mike Ruppert ( www.fromthewilderness.com ) and David Ray Griffin and checking in regularly on web sites such as www.cooperativeresearch.org , www.911forthetruth.com , www.septembereleventh.org etc. to get the latest information on various 911 investigations.

Please continue to follow this story and report your findings to your fellow citizens. It is understandable why the mainstream media does not want to go near this stuff. However, thanks to the internet more and more incriminating details are coming out anyway and are being made known to a wide audience. Your courage and the courage of your employer in publishing your straightforward account of David Ray Griffin's lecture is to be commended.

Regards and best wishes
xxxx

[katty]

7. the 'Put Options' have been well documented by

various credible 9-11 research sites-among other items.

[Sterling]

9. anYONE IN mADISON RECORDING THIS?

NT

[seemslikeadream]

10. I've posted in GD and Sept 11 forum

hoping someone will. Kick up the thread in GD please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3508797&mesg_id=3508797

[htuttle]

11. yES

I'm planning on capturing it when it airs Thursday night.

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

12. Are you going to be able to put it online, htuttle?

:hi:

[htuttle]

13. I'll see how long it is

Maybe. I'm running a couple of other sites off my 765k DSL line, and one of them has been very busy lately.

If nothing else, I can make it available to someone else to put online.

[seemslikeadream]

21. Thanks htuttle

I'd really like to see it, don't want to wait two weeks for C-SPAN :popcorn:

[glitch]

26. even just the audio would be swell, thanks in advance. nt

[Swamp Rat]

15. This is EXACTLY what we need!

I can't wait to see it is on CSPAN! :)

[Zorra]

16. Great post. Only half the residents of NYC think Bush knew?

New Yorkers are much more naive than I thought.

[Al-CIAda]

19. Thank you and kick!

[Al-CIAda]

20. Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth:

WELCOME TO MUJCA-NET

MUJCA-NET is a group of scholars, religious leaders and activists dedicated to uniting members of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths in pursuit of 9/11 truth. We believe that the process of joining together in search of the truth about 9/11 will bring enormous benefits, regardless of what truths we may discover. While our endorsers and supporters have different views about the probable level of US government complicity in 9/11, all of us agree that a new, honest investigation of the possibility of official complicity is a matter of the most urgent national and global importance.

Why Do We Need an Interfaith 9/11 Truth Alliance?

MUJCA-NET's co-founders write (in their open letter To Our Brothers and Sisters in The Abrahamic Tradition):

Conflict and violence in which lines are drawn along religious parochialisms, pitting adherents of one religion against adherents of another, have no basis within the authentic piety of our traditions. 

The mainstream 9-11 thesis blames the success of the attacks on the combination of two factors: “angry Muslim fanatics” and an “overwhelmed or incompetent domestic security apparatus.”

The 9-11 Truth movement categorically rejects this thesis based on overwhelming evidence that 9-11 was ‘an inside job’ as much as it was a foreign attack.  The Kean-Zelikow Commission’s official U.S. government account of what occurred within our National Security Apparatus that led to the tragedy is egregiously untrue. No reasonable person who studies it carefully, comparing it to other information from major media sources, government officials, and independent investigators, could possibly believe it. The eminent Christian theologian Dr. David Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, has just published a devastating critique of the Kean-Zelikow report. Griffin’s book is called The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. It concludes: “As this book was going to press, I learned that The 9/11 Commission Report had been included among the finalists for the National Book Awards. I would not have been shocked by this news except for the fact that the nomination was in the nonfiction category.”

http://mujca.com/

[Frederik]

24. Sonds like a good idea

this Mujca. Great initiative. As a wise man (named Shakespeare) once wrote:

Murder will out!

[GetTheRightVote]

22. Wow, what a brave man, to come out against * and NeoCons

I hope he has body guards.

:kick:

[Voltaire99]

23. I'm intrigued

Thanks for posting this.

[glitch]

27. Didn't Colin Powell promise legal proof of the "official" version?

I think he reneged on that, didn't he?

Perhaps they thought the 911 Whitewash Commission would satisfy.

[Frederik]

33. Yup.

FBI director Robert Mueller III also said he had a lot of evidence. Only, a few months later he had to admit that he actually had none.

[seemslikeadream]

34. David Ray Griffin Madison Talk DVD on the way!?

Just got off the phone with a group that recorded the David Ray Griffin speach up in Madison last week.. since apparently CSPAN has decided not to air the segment this weekend I figured it would make sense to go ahead and get my hands on a copy.

thanks to the help of this group i should have the DVD in my hands tommorrow. i will be ripping this DVD (to the best of my ability) to DiVX as soon as i get it and sharing it on this blog.. anyone with some expertise in this area feel free to send me tips or suggestions.

so in other words, keep your eyes peeled, the David Ray Griffin speech is on its way, even without CSPAN! :)


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[htuttle]

35. I posted an MP3 of the public access broadcast (from WYOU) in here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x37300

BTW, thanks for kicking this thread up. I couldn't find it last night. :)

I also have an mp4 320x240 video of the talk, but it's 115 MB. I'll put it out on the Gnutella network (look for DavidRayGriffin), but don't have enough bandwidth to offer it via the web at the moment. If somebody has the bandwidth, let me know and I'll get it to them.

(I have a full quality copy too right now, but if they are making a DVD available, it won't be necessary).

I can host the MP3, though. That's available in the thread linked above.

[seemslikeadream]

36. Thanks again htuttle

I didn't see your post in Sept. 11 till after I had posted.
I'm listening to it now.
Have you seen this?
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/24248.htm

:hi:

[htuttle]

37. Hadn't seen that before -- thanks

[Al-CIAda]

38. htuttle -thanks!

[Al-CIAda]

39. kick

[Al-CIAda]

40. .,

[evolvenow]

43. kick for SeemslikeaDream, EarthDay and the Truth, Can we Evolve Already:)

Please, thanks.