Schindlers launch new appeal

[rsmith6621]

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Saturday, March 26, 2005 Posted: 5:51 PM EST (2251 GMT)



(CNN) -- With few options left, the parents of Terri Schiavo have filed an appeal to the Florida Supreme Court to reinsert their brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube.



http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/26/schiavo/index.html

Is this CRAPOLA getting old or WHAT!!!!!!!!!

What other option really are there right now......reinsert the damn tube and let someone who has already now DEAD ORGANS suffer more.

The Schindlers are truly arrogant people......where were they when Terri was STARVING HERSELF 16 years ago??????

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. I don't see them as arrogant. I see them as people really twisted by grief

Unable to see that their actions are keeping them from remembering a woman they loved, they fight for a wasted shell. And FWIW, many people are very good at hiding an eating disorder. Especially bulimia, because one is eating...just getting rid of it later.

[ima_sinnic]

7. "twisted by grief" my @$$--they are con artists

my sympathy ended for them right about the time they started trying to manipulate people's emotions with their phony video of Terri "responding."

I believe Michael Schiavo when he says the father is just bitter because HE didn't get any money from her malpractice settlement.

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. Sorry. I cannot, as a mother, agree with you. As much as I hope I am

never in the same situation, I haven't walked in their shoes. If we judge, we are just as bad as the fundies we rail against. I have no idea how I would react in the same situation. I would hope with dignity, but that grief has got to be great.

[still_one]

14. right on

[havocmom]

22. While most mothers & fathers are good parents who love their offspring

there are such things as 'toxic parents'. They can sometimes be the reason for such emotional problems as, oh, say eating disorder among other things.

Sorry, these people are way past caring parents. If they really cared, they would not make their daughter the center ring event of a circus. They have admitted they know she didn't want to be kept alive via artificial means and they insist on shoving tubes in her anyway. That is not love nor is it respect.

[ClintonTyree]

26. AND they've admitted that they cannot take care of her.............

and that she needs 24/7 care that they cannot or will not give.

[puddycat]

29. I'm sure they love their daughter dearly. Letting go is so very hard.

Sometimes the hardest thing we'll ever do in this life is to let go. They have not found the way to do it. Mr. Schaivo, on the other hand, loves Terri but has let go, and wants to let her go. But I'm sure, I'm positive, each loves her.

God damn the fundie extremists who have made a mockery of this poor woman's life and intruded upon these people.

[H2O Man]

8. Good answer.

You make important points. It might be time to stop blaming those who are really victims in this.

[wtmusic]

21. Yes

Can anyone here put themselves in their position? Doubt it.

[Selteri]

27. Been in Mike's position while watching my aunt play the parents.

It's never easy, but making it a public spectacle is sick and wrong!

[Mnemosyne]

2. Probably telling her how good she looked

and how proud they were. Very disturbed people, quite sick and sad.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. This appears to be the last appeal they have

They've already decided that further efforts in the federal courts will go against them.

[ClintonTyree]

24. How many times have we heard that?

They'll start at the bottom and work their way up again as long as she's alive. They have unlimited funds and lawyers from the fundies as long as they can use her death as a weapon for their agenda.
It wont be over until she dies, and if there is a merciful god, it'll happen sooner rather than later

[Jack Rabbit]

32. BBC Link (Saturday 22:36 GMT)

From the BBC Online
Dated Saturday March 26 22:36 GMT (2:36 pm PST)

Judge rejects 'last' Schiavo plea

A Florida judge has rejected another effort by the family of a brain-damaged woman to keep their daughter alive.

Terri Schiavo, 41, has been without food or water for a week, after courts agreed she should be allowed to die and her feeding tube was removed.

Her parents' lawyer described it as their last chance to save Mrs Schiavo, after deciding to end federal appeals.

The parents - Bob and Mary Schindler - have now made an appeal to the Florida Supreme Court . . . .

Correspondents say the Schindlers appear to have few legal avenues left in their seven-year fight to save their daughter.

They are now reported to be holding out hope for an unlikely intervention by Florida Governor Jeb Bush.

However, he has said he has done everything in his power to take custody of Mrs Schiavo.

Read more.

[Up2Late]

4. I just had a thought, do you think they are Paying for all this filing?

If Jebbie was letting the file this crap for FREE, would that be Illegal?



Would that be an impeachable offense?

[onehandle]

5. 97th time's a charm. nt

[housewolf]

6. Last Rites - Communion question

I'm curious about something.

The article stated:
"Additionally, Felos said that Schiavo received last rites, which includes Communion, the day the tube was removed, and that a court has ordered that she be able to receive the sacrament one more time before she dies."

How does a priest administers Holy Communion to someone who can't swallow?

This is a serious question. I grew up Catholic so this is something I cam curious about.

[ROakes1019]

11. Last Rites

I had a rather sick thought: the request for another Supreme Unction is a ploy by the Schindlers to get the feeding tube back in since, as you said, you have to be able to imbibe to receive the rites. That's why she was given the rites before the tube was removed.

[onehandle]

23. They can't as far as I know.

I found this.

“When anyone is very sick, we should not wait until he is dying to send for a priest. The sick person cannot go to confession and receive Holy Communion after he is unconscious. Often persons are afraid that the priest will frighten the sick person. On the contrary, the sacraments are a source of comfort and consolation to the sick. They are usually much happier after they have seen the priest” (The Sacraments and the Mass, by Joseph P. Vacek and Josephine Littel, The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine of the Archdiocese of St. Paul, Inc., St. Paul, MN 1939, p. 41).

http://www.cmri.org/08-sick_call.shtml

[Malva Zebrina]

10. Whatever the outcome, which I strongly suspect will be finally

the death of this brain absent woman, I think that some real consideration needs to be given to educating people, like the Schindler's, as to the reality of a loved one being actually by all intents and purposes, dead and they need to be counseled by professionals to accept that death.

If they had accepted that years ago, this agony they may be suffering now, and the inclusion of all these religious whacknuts into it, sullying the dignity of their daughter, may have been avoided.


AS it is, they are now locked into resentment and possibly the need for revenge upon those who "murdered" their , already dead, daughter.

AS it is, their grief will now be a hundred fold more acute. I hope they survive without too much damage, but I really doubt it.]


The final realization, brought about by this action, may be entirely too much for either of them to bear.

and this is the fault of---who?

They could not accept the reality and reverted into fantasy land--like a fifty year old adult, putting one of it's recently extracted teeth under his or her pillow in the hopes that the tooth fairy will leave them some money and they will find it in the morning.

The religious nuts perpetrate a belief in tooth fairies and in this case, the parents, they only prolong their grief.

[still_one]

you are not correct, they are just parents

the scum in this whole ordeal is the media, and the circus they have created by giving every crackpot and opportunity to spew hate

This is case is no ones business but the parents, the husband, the doctors, and the courts

I curse the media in this country and everything that they have become

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. I cannot help but feel these people have been used. The media, politicians

lawyers...they've all fed upon this family's all consuming grief, and sold them a dream that could never come true. :(

[still_one]

12. you are not correct, they are just parents

the scum in this whole ordeal is the media, and the circus they have created by giving every crackpot and opportunity to spew hate

This is case is no ones business but the parents, the husband, the doctors, and the courts

I curse the media in this country and everything that they have become

[deadparrot]

13. I thought this was over...

Why don't they go spend some time with their daughter in her last hours?

[CoffeeCat]

16. I have to agree with you...

...about the Schindlers and where in the heck were they when their daughter had an eating disorder and was throwing up all of the time?

Terri's eating disorder began while she was in high school--living with her parents.

She had this condition for nearly a decade. The doctors concurred that her potassium and electrolyte levels were completely out of wack--consistent with bulimia. Yet, her parents insist she did not have an eating disorder. DENIAL THEN...DENIAL NOW.

I empathize with their grief. I cannot imagine losing a child. I have felt sadness for them. However, they do not act like grieving parents. They act like they can't get beyond the end of their own noses. It's all about their pain. They're hurt. Their wants.

They're willing to paint her husband a murderer. They're also willing to release private videotapes of Terri is a vegetative state, and audio of her moaning like a wounded animal. How is that honoring Terri's dignity or her humanity?

I am not without sympathy for the Schiavo's loss. However, I am totally outraged at the dysfunctional way they behave--all in the name of their daughter.

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. 1. Bulimia is an almost undetectable eating disorder. Especially when you

don't live with the bulimic...as they eat normally. They're not not eating. 2. "Just go along with us," says the lawyer, politician etal."We'll get you your daughter back." Grieving parents will do just about anything. And hence, lose doubly.

[CoffeeCat]

28. I lived with a sister who had bulimia...

...and there were many, many signs.

While it is true that many bulimic behaviors are carried out in secret--there are usually some signs that something is amiss.

Terri lost a lot of weight. She was drinking up to 15 glasses of iced tea daily to control her weight. She was binging and purging. She looked terribly thin. Her friends commented that they witnessed bulimic behaviors--and said it was habitual that she would run to the bathroom after meals.

There were signs. Maybe the parents just didn't want to see them.

I find it very suspicious, given all of these signs--that Terri's parents absolutely insist that she never, ever had an eating

disorder. They won't even tolerate the suggestion. That spells denial to me. Big time. Any rational person would have to concede that she may have had an eating disorder. The doctors have agreed that her electrolyte levels indicated an ED.

This is why I believe that dysfunction and denial are driving these parents. They're not at peace. They didn't want to face her ED--or the underlying issues that caused Terri's ED. Now, they simply deny--despite medical evidence--that she ever had bulimia in the first place.

It's more comfortable for the Schindler's to believe that their daughter was choked and murdered in cold blood by her husband--than admit she had bulimia.

That's not normal. That's denial.

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. My family lived with me. And no one knew. Sorry. Different situations for

different people. And a person in grief can easily be led. I won't stand in judgement of them, even if it's something I myself hope I would never do. walk a mile....


My mother runs to the bathroom after meals. Why? Colitis. So much of it can be explained away.

http://www.mentalhelpnet.com/disorders/sx3.htm for your perusal.

60 pounds can be lost through diet alone, there were no abnormal "red flags" in this case.

[CoffeeCat]

31. I understand that each situation is different...

...some people do hide it well. My sister did for a while.

I'm sorry for your struggle with bulimia. It's never easy.

Obviously, I don't know enough about Terri's situation to understand what went on in this family. However, someone who is drinking 15 glasses of iced tea, losing weight and demonstrating some of the signs--doesn't sound like she was taking drastic measures to hide her bulimia.

But you're right--it is possible for someone to successfully hide it.

[cal04]

17. Parents Seek to Give Schiavo Communion

After another round of losses in the courts, Terri Schiavo's parents kept watch over their dying daughter Saturday, seeking permission to give her Easter communion as their attorneys acknowledged the fight to reconnect the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube was nearing an end.

Attorneys for Bob and Mary Schindler decided not to file another motion with a federal appeals court, essentially ending their effort to persuade federal judges to intervene - something allowed by an extraordinary law passed by Congress.


Paul O'Donnell, a Roman Catholic Franciscan monk, said the family is urging Schiavo's husband to allow his wife to receive the sacrament of communion at sundown Saturday, when Catholics begin celebrating their holiest feast of the year. Schiavo, who cannot swallow, would have a minuscule piece of bread and a drop of wine placed in her mouth.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BRAIN_DAMAGED_WOMAN?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[TahitiNut]

18. They are, at the same time, ...

... both a pair of the least appealing and most appealing people I've ever seen.

[IntiRaymi]

20. Take Karol Wojtyla's initiative on this one..

And let her '...serenely give herself to the will of God.'

[Selteri]

25. Guess we know who the real liars are now. NT

[DS1]

33. If only the DEMS were this tenacious after BOTH ELECTIONS!

:argh:

[Moderator]

34. locking

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