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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:50 PM
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Global warming as bad as terrorism: ALP
Global warming as bad as terrorism: ALP

The Labor leader, Kim Beazley, has ranked global warming next to nuclear proliferation and militant fundamentalism as a major threat to the world's security.

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At a meeting of the Labor caucus yesterday morning, Mr Beazley said the beginning of the Kyoto Protocol today was "D-day".

Along with poverty, the changing climate had the potential to seriously affect world security, he said.

The two issues were as threatening as nuclear proliferation and the rise of fundamentalism, Mr Beazley told MPs.

Lori R. Price
Gen. Mgr., Citizens for Legitimate Government
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 03:06 PM
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1. In cased you missed it
this article details why it may already too late with global warming

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/13/INGP4B7GC91.DTL
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 03:24 PM
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2. I posted some ideas I had on this in another thread
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:40 PM
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7. This part of the sfgate article is interesting:
<<Scientists are careful to say that no single weather event can be definitively linked to global warming, but the trend is unmistakable to the insurance companies that end up paying the bill.>>

If it affects the insurance companies, maybe that's one way to get the administration to listen?

-wildflower
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 03:25 PM
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3. There actually is a way to reverse global warming
The Kyoto Protocol would delay it but not stop it. That's no excuse for the Bush administration to not act, but in order to seriously prevent massive climate change, we have to take out the C02 that's already in the atmosphere, not just stop putting it back in. One way to do that is to inject C02 into soil land that has been depleted due to human farming. The increased C02 amount fertilizes the soil and makes crops grow faster.

To do this on a global scale would be a massive undertaking. But according to the article below, if we applied this process to just 10% of the degraded farmland globally, we would have a carbon negative in which we'd be taking out more C02 from the air than we'd be putting back in. We need solutions like these if we're ever going to really stop global warming. Even if we stopped all C02 emissions tomorrow, the planet would still warm up because of all the gas we've already pumped into it.


http://www.energybulletin.net/1337.html
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 03:39 PM
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4. Such a development should be rewarded by the carbon market
If I understand correctly, the carbon offset market is designed precisely to encourage this kind of innovation.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:19 PM
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5. I work in Ag research
big focus of research at the USDA for the past three years is trap crops for CO2.
At least one branch of the gov admits there is a problem.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:32 PM
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6. It's good to know that.
That at least one branch admits there's a problem. Thanks for letting us know about this.

Is there any chance this will change? (With new administration appointments, etc.?)

-wildflower
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:43 PM
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8. The project was funded for five years
but with junior's aversion to science you never know.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:55 PM
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9. New idea for sucking up CO2
http://www.tnhonline.com/news/2004/04/27/News/Students.Combine.Skills.To.Create.Co2.Sucking.Product-672133.shtml

Six months of intense teamwork and innovative project design has paid off for a team of UNH engineering and business students. From April 4 through April 8, the students presented their design plan to judges and received top honors at the 14th Annual Environmental Design Competition in New Mexico.

The project, which was designed to remove carbon dioxide permanently from the atmosphere using completely recycled materials, was awarded first place over 29 other teams. In addition, UNH took the prestigious Intel Environmental Innovation Award for the second time in three years.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:09 PM
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10. Kyoto Can't Save Us
Emissions have gone too far and global warming is unavoidable. What is needed is recognition and a willingness to confront the very real challenges ahead.

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21261/

Good Kos Diary on it here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/14/212720/741
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