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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:11 PM
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Why I Intend to Vote for Dennis Kucinich
Perhaps the most dangerous threat today to U.S. democracy, as well as to world peace and the continued existence and progress of world civilization, is the war making capabilities and attitudes towards war of the United States of America. Therefore, it is crucially important that we Americans understand why our country has such an affinity for war.

I don’t believe that it’s because we are taught explicitly from an early age that war is the best way to solve problems. But what we are taught – thoroughly – is that our country is always good and virtuous, especially in its decisions regarding war. Yes, our leaders may make mistakes, or miscalculations, but they are NEVER ill intentioned – nor are our soldiers who fight in our wars. That is such a solidly ingrained point of wisdom in our nation that it is absolutely taboo for a U.S. politician to imply otherwise.

The terrible consequence of this philosophy of “American exceptionalism” is that it is almost impossible for our nation to resist being pulled into wars when our leaders, especially our President, wish to lead us into war. This is not at all how our Founding Fathers envisioned our nation becoming, and in fact they went to great lengths to ensure that a single person could NOT lead us into war, by giving Congress the sole power to declare war. James Madison said that “No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare”, and therefore “To chain the dogs of war, the Constitution has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war to the Legislature.”

Although it is taboo for American politicians to question the concept of American exceptionalism, many American authors have done so in starkly honest terms. For example, Stephen Kinzer explains in “Overthrow – America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq”, that:

America overthrew governments only when economic interests coincided with ideological ones… The American ideology was that of Christian improvement and “manifest destiny.” Decades later… it was anti-Communism. During both eras, Americans came to believe it was their right, and even their historical obligation, to lead the forces of good against those of iniquity…

All believed that the twin goals of United States foreign policy should be to secure strategic advantage, for both political and commercial reasons, and to impose, promote, or encourage an ideology. The regimes they marked for death were those they considered both economically and ideologically hostile.

Directors of large corporations were the first to wish Mohammed Mossadegh (Iran), Jacobo Arbenz (Guatemala), and Salvador Allende (Chile) overthrown. They persuaded leaders in Washington… to depose them… In all four countries they led to increased repression and reduced freedom. Beyond their borders they also had profound effects. They intensified and prolonged the Cold War… they led millions of people to conclude that the United States was a hypocritical nation, as cynical as any other, that acted brutally to replace incipient democracy with cruel dictatorships.

I have one disagreement with Kinzer on this issue. I don’t consider our commercial reasons for pursuing war (otherwise known as “war profiteering”) and our ideological reasons to be “twin goals”. Rather I consider them to be largely the same goal. It is a known facet of human psychology that humans invent rationalizations to excuse their actions and lessen their guilt. Just as individual humans invent rationalizations to excuse their actions, nations invent ideologies to excuse their actions. The ideologies are not separate from the commercial motivations that lead us into war – they are an integral part of them. Perhaps Kinzer knows that, but was unwilling to stick his neck out even further than he already had.

In a similar vein, James L. Loewen, in “Lies Across America – What our Historic Sites Get Wrong”, talks about how our museums sanitize war, and the toxic consequences of that sanitization:

Why don’t museums raise serious issues about World War II today? To facilitate the next war? In this sense their staffs still seem concerned with maintaining civilian morale… Whatever the reason, something is wrong when visitors come out of the Museum on the Pacific War less able to think about the breakdown of civilized rules in modern warfare than when they went in.


The manifestations of American exceptionalism in American politics

Subjects which are almost absolutely taboo in our country are those which cast doubt on the myths that our elites try to pound into us from the time we’re old enough to read. That is, anything that tends to expose the gaps between our ideals and the reality of our actions. And chief among those ideals are our commitment to freedom and democracy and the inherent virtuosity of American leaders. Thus it is ok to talk about “irregularities” in our elections or “vulnerabilities”, but talk of a stolen Presidential election is taboo. And thus it is taboo to question the intentions of our leaders. Even the strongest criticisms of George W. Bush by his political adversaries are almost always accompanied by statements to the effect that he is wrong, but nevertheless has good intentions.

It is important to note that these taboos are created and sustained much more by our leaders – our corporate news media and our political and commercial elites – than by ordinary Americans. But ordinary Americans are greatly influenced by these elites, and our elites know that.

That is why Richard Durbin was castigated mercilessly for his stating the truth of how our treatment of prisoners of our “War on Terror” fail utterly to conform to American ideals; that is why Rosie McDonnell was castigated for posing a rhetorical question that suggests that our country might be perceived as a terrorist country to other nations of the world; that is why Cynthia McKinney was castigated for suggesting that not only the Bush administration’s actions regarding its failure to prevent the 9-11 attacks, but its motives as well, should be considered and investigated; and that is why Jane Fonda and John Kerry were castigated for questioning the moral basis of our Vietnam War; and that is why Michael Moore is castigated for almost anything he says.

And thus the violent reaction against so-called “kooky conspiracy theorists” by our elite. Yet, it is not kooky conspiracy theories per se that our elites object to. Rather, it is only those conspiracy theories that cast doubt on the myths that they consider to be sacred. As I noted a few months ago in another post:

We know for a fact that there are many powerful people in our country, including many who currently run our government, who are neither honest nor well intentioned. We have very good reason to believe that some of them would be willing to do very bad things in order to increase their power and their wealth. History is full of such examples, some which I mentioned above. Furthermore, we also have reason to believe that our corporate news media is likely to withhold from us evidence of these kinds of things. After all, much of our corporate news media had evidence of Bush administration lies in leading us into our war in Iraq, and yet they failed to report on those lies for a very long time.

The consequences of our failure to look reality in the face are not benign. One major consequence is that Americans do not question the motives of their leaders who try to lead them into war. Too many Americans believe that it would be “unpatriotic” to do so. Consequently, Congress itself has a long history of failure in limiting the power of our President to lead us into disastrous wars and keep us there.


The betrayal of American ideals and the betrayal of our American troops

Tragically, the extreme form of American exceptionalism promoted by today’s Republican Party has also led to the betrayal of our most sacred values. If an individual or a nation cannot acknowledge its worst faults then it has little chance of correcting those faults.

Perhaps today’s most extreme example of that is our Iraq War. Though most Democrats today say that the war was a “mistake” and that we should end it, they can’t quite bring themselves to take the measures necessary to pose the greatest chance of doing that.

What really needs to be discussed is not just that the Iraq War is a mistake, but that it is a betrayal of our most basic values, as proclaimed in our Declaration of Independence. If we believe that all people have unalienable right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”, then why have we pursued a war for questionable motives that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and why has our administration totally failed to provide for the reconstruction of their country, as promised? Most important of all, why is the fact that the Iraqis themselves want us out of their country rarely if ever considered in discussions of whether we should stay or leave? Yes, this is a betrayal of our most basic values – and as such it is a great betrayal of our troops who are sacrificing their lives, supposedly to defend those values.

Abraham Lincoln, widely and rightly acclaimed as our greatest President, had it right in his Gettysburg Address, one of the greatest speeches ever given, which he used to justify our Civil War. In the first sentence of that speech Lincoln made reference to the greatest American value proclaimed in our Declaration – that “all men are created equal”. And in the last sentence he notes the importance that our dead American soldiers should not have died in vain. But unlike today’s Republican Party, who use this same issue (that our soldiers should not have died in vain) to excuse the continuation of a disastrous imperialistic war, Lincoln actually provided a valid justification for his war, based on the most sacred of American values: “That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” And Lincoln made those words into reality by setting in motion a train of events that would give to a people previously considered to be nothing more than other peoples’ property the opportunity to avail themselves of the unalienable rights proclaimed in our Declaration of Independence.

George Bush’s Iraq War does much the opposite of that. It was conceived by a pack of lies; our politicians continuously complain that the Iraqis are “not doing their part”, as if they are our slaves and are therefore morally required to do our bidding; and we pay little or no attention to the fact that the Iraqis want us to leave their country. Consequently, the war itself constitutes the ultimate betrayal of our troops, many who believe they are putting their lives on the line to defend American ideals, when in fact they are fighting to destroy American ideals.


Why I intend to vote for Kucinich

Dennis Kucinich recently did the unthinkable. He went beyond accusations of Bush’s war being a mistake, to expose the real motivations for the war. Of course, it should have been obvious from almost the beginning that Bush’s motivations for war in Iraq were not at all in accordance with professed American ideals. His claims of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein connections with al Qaeda never had any basis in actual evidence; almost immediately after our invasion of Iraq we moved to protect the oil supply while allowing everything else to go to hell; Bush provided no-bid contracts to his cronies, with little oversight, while billions of dollars went missing; and the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group report provides numerous recommendations (or maybe ‘demands’ is a better word) on how the Iraqis should handle their oil.

But Kucinich actually says it out loud: The Iraq War was not a “mistake”; the primary motive of the Bush administration for invading Iraq was to provide a cheap source of oil for American oil companies; we are currently trying to force an agreement with Iraq to gain their consent for our “theft” of Iraqi oil; Kucinich calls Bush’s invasion of Iraq what it was – a war crime; and he points out the obvious: How can our current imperialistic stance towards Iraq possibly lead to stabilization of that country or the surrounding area – as we are currently claiming as our primary reason for staying there?

All this needs to be said – repeatedly. Though it is true that most Americans are against the Iraq War, they are largely against it because it has not been and is not likely to be “successful”. Hence their ambivalence about the need to withdraw on terms that their current President claims will lead to disastrous results.

Though I have known for a long time that Dennis Kucinich represents my values more consistently than any of the other Democratic candidates, I have nevertheless been reluctant to vote for him in the primaries because I don’t feel that he stands a chance of winning.

I still don’t believe that he stands much of a chance of winning. But his courageous statements about the Bush administration’s betrayal of the most basic American values, as well as his push to impeach Dick Cheney, were the last straw. It is crucially important that his message be heard. If raising his vote share up to 15% – or 10% – or even 5% – means that more Americans will hear his message, then that needs to be done.

Furthermore, maybe we shouldn’t buy into the message that he is not a viable candidate. Perhaps that is just one more perception manufactured by our corporate news media. Buying into that message can create a vicious cycle of lowered expectations. If everyone believes that his candidacy is not viable, then they will refuse to support his candidacy, thereby creating and sustaining a self-fulfilling prophecy. Has anyone ever seen a poll pitting Kucinich against a Republican candidate?

I believe that we have many good Democratic candidates for President in 2008. But at this time I believe that it is vitally important to the peace and stability of the world that Americans learn to see themselves through the eyes of the rest of the world, rather than through the fantasy lens through which they are so used to viewing their country. Dennis Kucinich seems to me to be the Democratic candidate most willing and able to lead us in that direction.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:17 PM
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1. Kucinich has my vote
like he did in 2004. He is a true American Patriot.
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ValiantBlue Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:17 PM
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2. Excellent post
I do not buy into the message that DK is not a viable candidate. Considering the poor state our country is in I say the appeal for a candidate like DK has increasingly grown.

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:33 PM
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49. Amazing how this "viable" thought became viable.
I was listening to Kucinich and remember thinking that he was saying everything I wanted to hear a candidate say. I agreed with him wholeheartedly but found myself saying "this guy is great. It's a shame he doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming the Democratic candidate." The more I heard him talk the more I wanted to hear and then he was brave enough to introduce articles of impeachment against Cheney (whom everyone knows is a criminal) and I thought this guy is great. Not afraid to speak the truth. It's just a shame that...and then I thought here I found a candidate that I would vote for and support for president and I'm hesitating because I think no one else would vote for him. Then I wondered if that wasn't what everyone was doing also. Now that's a shame. I'm denying what I consider the best choice for president (short of Gore running) because I don't think he would win. Now I read here that many of you are doing the same thing and I'm thinking how did this thought of not being "viable" become viable? The framework of my assumptions were almost sub-conscious. Just like when Bill Mahr told Dennis he didn't think he could win the nomination I thought that was rude and here I'm doing the same thing. Dennis responded, "Oh I think I will". Well, I'm going to help him. I'm sending a donation and I'm voting for him in the primaries. Of all the candidates he is the most honest, truthful and courageous candidate out there and he CAN win. He is very persuasive and will gain support if enough people actually get to hear him speak because he makes sense and can speak the truth to power.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:34 PM
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52. Very interesting
Of course, we do not risk as much voting in the primary for someone perceived as being non-viable as we do in the general election. I thought that it was a huge mistake to vote for Nader in 2000, no matter how much one liked him, or no matter how great a president one thought he would be. Look what that gave us!!

But what do we risk by supporting Kucinich in the primaries? There isn't a Democratic candidate that is in any way comparable to George W. Bush. I wouldn't vote for Kucinich if he ran as an independent, for the same reason I wouldn't vote for Nader when he did that (though I'm pretty sure Dennis wouldn't run as an independent anyhow). But I don't like the idea of giving in to the group thinking that considers him not viable as a Democratic candidate.


:thumbsup:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:18 PM
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3. I also support DK and will definitely vote for him.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:24 PM
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4. And I, of course,
intend to vote for Dennis Kucinich in 2008 for the very same reasons I voted for him in 2004 (said reasons being amazingly consonant with yours, Time for Change)and those are: he speaks truth to power and he is on the side of peace -- not criminal death and destruction.

And I don't care how "electable" or "unelectable" he might be. I don't vote on Madison Avenue conepts. I vote on American, democratic principles.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:25 PM
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5. I did it in 2004.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:34 PM
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6. Bravo
Kucinich is the only candidate who fully appreciates the enormity of the task that lies ahead in rebuilding world peace and security, and he knows relying on brute force and traditional alliances isn't going to get the job done. If Democrats allow him to be marginalized they impoverish their own political process and their intellectual armory for the main event. Kucinich raises tomorrow's issues today, and this election is about tomorrow.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:34 AM
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36. Great points
"If Democrats allow him to be marginalized they impoverish their own political process".

How true. And a related point is that not allowing him to be marginalized will help to move the other candidates in a direction that this country needs.
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:38 PM
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7. I'll do what I did in '04 . . .
Vote for Kucinich in my state primary, campaign for him until the convention, then switch over to the actual nominee. What can you do? Clinton, Obama and Edwards, heck, even Joe Biden, have it all over him in funding and name recognition. Besides, I don't think the American people really want an almost-socialist vegan-pacifist saint for POTUS. We just ain't ready, more's the pity.

I met Kucinich at a campaign stop in Tampa on Saturday, BTW. He's really likeable and impressive and honest, and his wife is HAWT! ;)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:45 AM
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19. I feel the same way about that
If Kucinich has dropped out of the race by the time I vote in the primaries, I will probably vote for someone else - though I may write him in, depending on the circumstances.

In the general election I will certainly support the nominee. There are no current or plausibly likely Dem candidates that I would have any trouble supporting in the general election over the Republican candidate.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:17 AM
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21. I sat next to someone at a Kucinich fundraiser who came in the door...
...with the same perceptions. Then she heard him speak. She left an avid Kucinich supporter. She felt that his socialist vegan-pacificst "saint" personna was his own personal business, but she sure liked what he had to say about such things as shutting down the School of the Americas, supporting health care for everyone who deserves it -- and anyone who draws breath deserves it -- getting us out of Iraq, leaving their oil alone, and letting an international peacekeeping force come into Iraq in our place.

You know, petty little stuff like that! :)

And his wife is not only HAWT, but she's SMART, too.

Sit down, stare at your navel, and visualize Kucinich as "the actual nominee." (That's if you want to.)
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:37 AM
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23. K & R
You said it.
:kick:


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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:37 PM
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60. Oh, believe me, I WANT to!
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:41 PM
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8. Nothing in the world can beat voting with a clean conscience
Dennis will again have my primary vote in 2008.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 06:49 PM
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9. why I expect not to
The primary will be effectively over by the time the Kansas Primary happens. Sigh.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 07:05 PM
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10. 2004 Kansas Democratic Caucuses were March 13th
DK got over 10% of the vote but not enough for a delegate :(

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/KS-D.phtml
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:56 PM
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51. Yup
we went to the second step with Dennis. I was done after that. I voted for Kerry but I am not so sure that this time there will be someone I can even tolerate so I may write him in anyway.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 07:06 PM
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11. GO DENNIS!!! n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 07:48 PM
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12. Supporting Kucinich as far into the process as you can--
--promotes real Democratic values, win or lose. If we gain ground in promoting the things Kucinich stands for and still lose, I'd call that "losing forward."
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:49 AM
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27. If he doesn't get the nomination, I plan

to write him in for president in the general election.

(Note to flamers, I'm in a red state, so it's highly unlikely that my vote will make any difference in the outcome. I could have voted for Nader in the past two elections and done no harm.)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:18 AM
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30. I won't flame you - I agree.
There is one of our candidates, in particular, that I couldn't even hold my nose and vote for because I don't trust him.

Trust is very important with me.

If that person becomes the nominee, I, too, will write in a name. I don't think that if any of the front runners gets the nomination, my state will even budge to flip from red to blue (despite the fact that most of our state government is run by Democrats), so it doesn't really matter.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:57 AM
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38. That's what I'm going to do
DLC is already swiftboating DK because he's the antithesis of everything they stand for. DLC smears will not stop me from voting for Kucinich.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 07:58 PM
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13. Don't feel alone.
There are lots of us that are totally fed up with the "system" as it now stands. We need a change!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:02 PM
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40. Yes, and even to have his messages widely heard would represent a big change
Even if he didn't get any votes.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 08:46 PM
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14. DK has my vote...
He'd have my money too if I felt he had enough to start running strong ads.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 08:51 PM
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15. He has my vote and full support. Again. n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 09:40 PM
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16. No other current candidate compares to DK.
An excellent OP -- as I have come to expect from you. K & R
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 10:52 PM
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17. Kucinich is my favorite candidate as well.
But, because he doesn't take money from corporate PACs and he desires campaign finance reform, he isn't portrayed by the media as a viable candidate. Someone like him is just what we need in this country.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 11:24 PM
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18. Another Mother For Peace And Dennis Kucinich
:woohoo:
Dennis will get my vote every single time as long as he keeps tossing his hat in the ring. I know that eventually this country will get sick and tired of being sick and tired and they'll vote their conscience rather than out of fear :-)
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:55 AM
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20. I actively campaigned for DK in 2004
And will probably do so again this year. He's the only candidate I admire without qualification. I'll vote for him in the primary, and I'll vote for whoever gets picked as the Democratic candidate in November '08. I'd be thrilled if it were Dennis, but any of the Democrats would be better than the best of the Repubs!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:09 PM
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43. I fully agree
All of the Democratic candidates are far better than any of the Republican candidates -- even the ones who admitted that they believe in evolution. Dennis would make a great President -- I hope that someday soon our country becomes wise enough to elect someone like him.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:04 PM
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46. My position as well
:toast:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:19 AM
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22. DK is great.
He's also the only candidate who wants single-payer, universal healthcare like the civilized countries have. :thumbsup:


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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:57 AM
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24. Dennis had my primary vote in '04, he will in '08
After the primaries I will hold my nose and vote for the Democratic nominee, but in the primary I will vote with my own best interest, and that of the country in mind, and that means a vote for Dennis.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:13 AM
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25. Nominated.
Very good. This is an outstanding post, and you make a very convincing case. Thank you.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:40 AM
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26. I voted for him in 2004 and I'll vote for him in 2008.

Anyone who wants the war in Iraq ended soon after January 2009 should vote for Kucinich. Anyone who wants national health care should vote for Kucinich. Anyone who wants the PATRIOT Act repealed should vote for Kucinich. Many more reasons are listed at http://kucinich.us

People are interested in Dennis Kucinich and want to know more about him. More than ever, Americans are voicing disgust with politics as usual. We've got to help get the word out about Dennis because the media have been told which candidates are supposed to be promoted and he's not on their corporate sponsors' list.

We should launch a massive campaign of e-mails, phone calls, letters, to all the newsmedia AND THEIR SPONSORS telling them that we want every candidate treated with respect and given equal time in debates.

We should give Dennis some money; he's asking us to be "one in a million" who donates $50, thereby raising $50 million dollars without corporate donations. If you can't give $50, give what you can, and continue giving something every month, even if it's only $5-$10.

We should give Dennis some time; lots of people are needed to make phone calls, go door to door, set up information tables in public places, put up flyers, put signs in your yard, etc.

We should write letters to the editor to remind voters how the Dems caved on the funding bill, and that Clinton and Obama were among those who voted to give Bush what he wanted. They, and Edwards and the others, are too much a part of the establishment. We need a real change in Washington.

Dennis Kucinich didn't cave to tremendous pressure when he was mayor of Cleveland and years later the city formally recognized that he had done the right thing by refusing to sell the city-owned utility company. He could have gotten rich if he'd done what the banks wanted but he did the right thing, to keep people's utility bills low. He's physically small but he's a big man inside, and a fighter. He cares about making things better for the people in this country rather than helping corporations and their CEOs get richer and richer while paying less and less in taxes.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 11:53 AM
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37. Thank you for all the additional information on how Dennis has fought for us
I think he will make a great president -- if he doesn't get assassinated.

To be fair to the other candidates though, I would like to point out that, if we are talking about the same bill, I believe you are wrong about the other candidates voting to give Bush what he asked for. In the most recent Senate vote on that issue, Clinton and Obama voted against it -- although it is true that they did so very quietly and apparently did not decide to do so until it was obvious that the bill would pass. Edwards, on the other hand, came out very strongly against it as soon as our Congressional leaders apparently cut a deal with Bush to give him his funding. Here is an article about the Senate vote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/24/AR2007052400218.html
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 06:32 AM
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28. Kucinich is the ONLY viable Dem candidate
ALL the rest are just rethuglican lite war mongers that will kowtow to their corporate backers & lobbyist.
Sadly the MSM will not acknowledge that he even exist because he is their worst nightmare.
The MSM is 98% of the problems we have in this country right now and if we don't take them out of power then nothing is ever going to change.
The MSM wants Obama or Clinton to be the nominee because they are the LEAST popular with real democratic voters.
I wouldn't doubt if a Republican (actually an Independent) Ron Paul is more popular in reality with Democratic voters than either Clinton or Obama.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:53 AM
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33. Rock on Dennis!
I agree with most of what you said but Ron Paul is clearly Conservative on everything else but the war and if Gore steps up to the plate then he will be the clear choice.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 12:58 PM
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39. Yes, the corporate media is a huge part of the problem
They try and try and try to swing our country way to the right. They have succeeded to a large degree, but not as much as they'd like -- thank god for the internet.

Our next president and Congress must address this by smashing the monopoly on news currently exercised by the ultra-wealthy. We need another TR or FDR in that respect.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:13 PM
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44. Ahhh Kucinich supporters, winning hearts and minds everyday.
"I wouldn't doubt if a Republican (actually an Independent) Ron Paul is more popular in reality with Democratic voters than either Clinton or Obama."

Ron Paul? Ron Paul? LOL!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 06:49 AM
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29. K&R
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:22 AM
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31. The war funding vote was all I needed to convince me.
I'll be voting for Kucinich in the Florida primary.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:37 AM
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32. Thanks K&R n/t
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:10 AM
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34. the only one worth voting for.
the only real anti-imperialist, which, of course, is what it's all about. the others are just more of the bipartisan imperialism that masquerades as opposition.

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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:29 AM
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35. If everyone who wanted to vote for Kucinich actually did
instead of thinking that he's not a viable candidate they are going to choose someone else, well, then Kucinich would be our nominee.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:04 PM
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41. I will support any of our candidates, but Dennis always..
inspires me the most. If Gore doesn't get in, I'll vote for him again in the primaries.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:07 PM
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42. I LOVE Kucinich, but Al Gore also peaks my interest
Gore is obviously more "electable", but Kucinich really touches my heart. A truly great man. :patriot:
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:27 PM
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45. Anyone that can write that much stuff, should vote for him.
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:21 PM
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47. Why I Intend to Vote for Dennis Kucinich
Yeah!,but who will you vote for in the general election?
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:26 PM
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48. Another DK voter! Why not the best?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:51 PM
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50. I wish I could vote for DK
I can't vote for DK (or anyone else) 'cause I'm a Brit but it's amazing to see a mainstream political figure actually pointing out American exceptionalism; pointing out the arrogance that the rest of the world is already sick of; actually saying that war is a bad thing, regardless of how necessary it sometimes is; even pointing out that the current US political system is a cult of wealth worship.

I don't think he stands a chance, mind you because we live in the era of perception driven politics and Dennis is short, not especially handsome (although his wife is a fox) and not the world's greatest public speaker (although he was superb on Bill Maher's show). Forget the fact that public opinion is with him on most of the issues, we live in the era where how you say something is more important than what you say. So I don't think he stands a hope in hell.

But I'd vote for him if I could and I'd go out campaigning for him, delivering flyers, even stuffing envelopes because he's that rarest of creatures: A politician I agree with on the majority of the issues.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:41 PM
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53. As he said in 2004:
He's electable if we vote for him. Seems obvious enough. :)
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:41 PM
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54. Well, DK is an acquired taste
I think his heart (along with his wife's) is in the right place. But he's having some challenges in operating from a position of strength. Today, he agreed again to appear on the Fox News debate. It takes guts, but in my view he is legitimizing them as a news organization when they are just a bunch of RWN and the WH news at present. I cannot vote for him in the primary, but I respect those who prefer him over other candidates.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:43 PM
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55. as I cried in my beer today,I thought the same thing...I will vote for kucinich
I am tired of ambiguity.Our Democratic leaders know why we voted for them.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 06:56 PM
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56. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
49 recommendations and 55 comments, and somehow it bounced off the greatest page

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:43 PM
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59. It's the 24 hour rule
All threads get bumped off after 24 hours on the GP.

Thanks for your vote. I'm very glad that so many people approved of my message. :)
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 08:54 PM
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57. great posts everyone
I was not a Kucinich supporter in 2004. I deliberately chose to be "pragmatic."

In 2007, I understand that pragmatism can be a way of settling for less. My life has taken interesting twists and turns since 2004, BUT - because of everything that has happened, I live
by the old maxim, "to thine own self be true." Dennis Kucinich is the candidate who speaks for me,
the candidate whose values mirror my own.

We don't have to settle for less. As DK has said - he's electable if we decide he is.

I'm involved with the NH Kucinich campaign. I've spoken on behalf of the campaign at some meetings, and I often start with a little myth busting - the myth of "he's not presidential enough." I look around the room and remind them of who, exactly, has been looking presidential for the last 7 years!! It turns the argument around, and people really grasp how silly that statement is. I'm finding that people who weren't willing to listten in 2004 are more than willing to give DK a second look this time. It's pretty hard to ignore the fact that everything he said about the war was correct.

I'm sure it won't surprise you (being the savvy folks you are) that Dennis has been reading this thread. He is grateful for the support you all are expressing here - and he's doing his best to represent US - the people who believe as deeply as he does about ending the war - and taking the country in a new direction.

He can win - if we vote our conscience, if we work for the campaign at the grassroots level, and if we contribute what we can to a candidate who will truly represent us. Then we have to persuade our friends and neighbors to do the same. We can do this - WE can decide who we want to represent us. If enough of us do take a stand, we will finally get the candidate we WANT - the candidate we deserve.

I'm tired of settling for less. I'm tired of being told I have to be pragmatic. I'm NEVER going to hold my nose and vote again.




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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 09:40 PM
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58. Thank you for your very important work on his behalf
And it's great to know that he's read this!!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:24 AM
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61. This is a positive, heartening post.
Thank you!

He's electable if we say he is, and I will keep saying it.

:hi:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:33 AM
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62. He's the only candidate offering more than "politics as usual" and has my vote.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:40 AM
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63. He may not have the charisma, but I'd be proud to call him President.
Imagine a Chief Executive with the courage to work against the plutocrats. Unless he does something really terrible, he can count on my vote; I can't see any of the rest of the field demonstrating as much integrity.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:45 AM
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64. He had my vote in '04 and he'll have it again in '08.
The others are all varying degrees of "eh".
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