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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:13 PM
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WaPo: "How to steal an election" (Steve Freeman) Is MSM getting it?
Another MSM article on the dangers of e-voting that actually dares to mention that "President Bush may owe his 2004 win to an unfair vote count."
I was very surprised...they wouldn't touch MCM's book. What's happening?

How To Steal an Election
It's easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman. That's because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America's voting machines, Freeman writes in a book out in July that argues, among other things, that President Bush may owe his 2004 win to an unfair vote count. We'll wait to read his book before making a judgment about that. But Freeman has assembled comparisons that suggest Americans protect their vices more than they guard their rights, according to data he presented at an October meeting of the American Statistical Association in Philadelphia.

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/20...
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:22 PM
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1. "Americans protect their vices more than they guard their rights"
That pretty much says it all.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:59 PM
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2. If Slot Machines Were as Insecure as Diebold Voting Machinez
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 04:07 PM by AndyTiedye
no casino would buy them, because they would get robbed blind.

If they stole money from customers as blatantly as some voting machinez steal votes,
nobody would play them.

Has all the publicity about insecure Diebold voting machinez hurt Diebold's ATM business?
IT SHOULD HAVE! The banks and other businesses that buy these machines ought to
be very concerned. Whether or not the company's ATMs have the same flaws,
a great deal has been exposed about lax internal controls of software and abysmal
engineering methodology, penetrations of their corporate network by hackers,
and ad-hoc revision and patch control that should be completely unacceptable in any
secure application.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:17 PM
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3. kick
love your journal!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 05:20 PM
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4. Interestingly enough, Diebold is a major manufacturer of
bank teller machines that are well respected for their reliability. Amazing, bankers can trust the machines to keep up with lots of their money, but Diebold can't put together a reliable, audi table voting machine. What's wrong there?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 09:56 PM
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5. I Think The Bankers Need to Take Another Look at Diebold ATMs
What we have learned about that company,
the security of its network (or lack thereof)
the poor quality of the Diebold software that we have seen,
and its sloppy software patch procedures,
would lead me to disqualify Diebold from consideration
for ATMs or any other secure application if I were
selecting such machines for a bank or whatever.


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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:16 AM
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9. its a totally different business for one thing
in elections you can not connect the voter to the ballot in any way: that is what the secrecy of the ballot is all about. But that same secrecy of the ballot destroys the audit trail and makes elections radically unaccountable

Not sure what diebold's problems all are, but I do know that touch screen ATMs are a TOTALLY different product and process than touch screen voting machines, for the above and other reasons.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:19 AM
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11. Clearly they intentionally make the voting machines insecure. eom.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 01:05 AM
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6. K&R. (nt)
In The WAPO, for crying out loud! Complete with 'pichers of pretty showgirls! I can't say as I care for the commentary on 2004, but...I'll take it! :bounce:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:17 AM
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7. Kick.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:59 AM
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8. NOW they tell us! Dirty rotten low down war mongering WP bastards!
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 05:00 AM by Peace Patriot
1. That is a fab illustration (at the link) of Las Vegas slot machine security vs. voting machine security. Pix = 1,000 words.

2. We have got to do something organized around Stephen's book--here at DU election fraud 2004 headquarters! It's coming out in July apparently.

We need to strategize not just to win '06 elections but to save our democracy! The latter is a long term project--for which we may only be able to gather evidence this time around. We need to strategize on the basis of reality and truth, and not on the basis of fairy tales about Democratic "messaging" and "framing"--as if that made any difference, with Bushite corporations owning our election system and running it on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

It's NOT the message--it's the MACHINES!

And we need to strategize to INVOLVE citizens in BEATING the rigged machines with huge turnout! That is the only way to go. We must not lie to people--as the Democratic Party is constantly doing, to get their money and then to play-act at democracy.

People must be told the truth. People NEED to know the truth. They need to know WHY we have these criminals in the White House and a Bush "pod people" Congress. Otherwise, demoralization, apathy, depression and disempowerment settle in like a disease. We must get them involved in beating the odds--in full realization that the Bushites and warmongers have their thumbs on the scales.

Bumper sticker: "Help Beat the Machines! VOTE!"

And we must make Stephen's book a best-seller!!!

:patriot: :applause: :patriot: :applause: :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:15 AM
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10. Yeah, I'll step into the "holy crap" area (article link too)
The word "steal" ??? Inside the beltway?

Bet on a Bet but Not on a Ballot

By Richard Morin
Thursday, March 16, 2006; A02

It's easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman.

That's because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America's voting machines, Freeman writes in a book out in July that argues, among other things, that President Bush may owe his last win to an unfair vote count.

We'll wait to read "Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count" before making a judgment about that. But Freeman has assembled comparisons that suggest Americans protect their vices more than they guard their voting rights, according to data he presented at an October meeting of the American Statistical Association chapter in Philadelphia.


Somebody check and see if Dulles and National are closed due to too many pigs in the airspace.

--
www.january6th.org
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:47 AM
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19. Pigs spotted flying overhead.....
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:10 AM
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12. great and V V lobbydays are coming- more actions!!!!1
:applause: http://vvlobbydays.blogspot.com Petitions and links, actions! PLEASE
BTW this blog is still up...
but right now NOBU**SH**zone http://jarnocan.blogspot.com is down. I wonder...why? I'm not that important- I'm actually way too lazy and busy to be significant.

"You are not authorized to view this page ....
HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden
Internet Explorer" :hurts:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 02:37 PM
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13. I don't know about lobbying Congress NOW. There are grave dangers
in Bush's "pod people" in Congress addressing "election reform" in any way--after what they did with HAVA. Their purpose would be to further corrupt and destroy our election system, and PREVENT reform. One of the biggest dangers is that they will further erode or completely revoke the states' Constitutional power over election systems, thus stopping all the grass roots state/local movements for real election reform. Another, an outright mandating of riggable electronic voting systems and outlawing paper ballots, so that a state with a paper ballot system (such as Oregon--mail-in ballots) or states who want to chuck the riggable machines and return temporarily or permanently to paper ballots would be forbidden to do so.

This illegitimate and unlawful Congress will never vote for real election reform--and they will take any good bill that comes along and thoroughly @#$%! it up. And if they see a big election reform lobbying effort in DC, they may feel the need to act pre-emptively to prevent reform.

I'm torn on it. On the one hand, we DO need to educate the public--for whom the issue has been black-holed. On the other, Congress is currently a very dangerous institution, and we really don't want what THEY would do.

I think that verified voting activists should get all the publicity they can--for public education purposes--but quietly go to democracy-friendly legislators like Russ Holt and John Conyers, and tell them: If you can't prevent bad amendments to a good bill, drop it. Wait for more favorable circumstances--and put energy/support into state/local election reform movements.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:32 PM
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15. the lobbying IS to pass HR550 as is.
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 11:33 PM by jarnocan
go to the site and read the info. http://www.icountcoalition.org/?tr=y&auid=1458428
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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:36 AM
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17. This is being fought locally and that's where it SHOULD be fought.
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 12:36 AM by PVK
The Feds should stay OUT of it. The right to vote is a right granted by virtue of your state legislature.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:28 PM
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14. Action alert in GD - please check it out!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:36 PM
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16. Folks, please don't forget, most of Nevada's voters live in LV
and at the last election there was only one new papertrailed Sequoia at each precinct with 11 year old Sequoias that cannot be used to verify the vote. It's a scam that Nevada is the first state in nation to vote with state wide papertrails.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:44 AM
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18. I didn't know that. Thank you.
Every time you think your head can't explode againt, oops there goes another rubber tree plant.
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