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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:52 PM
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Would you bet YOUR LIFE that this election was stolen?
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 08:54 PM by Laura PackYourBags
I would. I would even bet my family's life.


THE BIG PICTURE - ARE THESE THE ACTIONS OF HONEST MEN AND WOMEN?

1. Vote for no paper trails? Why? Those Republican environmental nuts trying to save trees again?

2. Appoint the strongest partisans you could find for key election positions? (i.e. Blackwell, Harris) -- That is unless you wanted to control the process and results?

3. Send thousands of unauthorized absentee ballots?

4. Selectively purge democrats from voter lists?

5. Take control of the Mass Media market (unless you wanted to control what people hear)?

6. Unevenly distribute voting machines to the detriment of the democratic precincts? (when the opposition had enough and there were extras in storage)

7. Send an inordinate number of actual ballots compared to the number of voters in prior elections?

8. Distribute flyers saying the election was November 3rd?

9. Send thugs to intimidate people?

10.Create an atmosphere of total confusion where people did not know what line to get in and would have to wait for hours on end to find out they were in the wrong line?

11.Fight a recount tooth and nail?

12.Hand pick precincts for recount in Ohio?

13.Not question how you could have won in Florida when you were down up to 5 points (Faux News Poll)within 3 days of the election and you win by 4 ? That's a 9, count em, 9 point swing !

14.Call anyone who questions the results "disrespectful to the "President" or "crazy" ? These are comments from either (1) Those who want to win at any cost, or (2) Those who stole the election and have something to hide.

15.Not wonder why the exit polls were so wrong and try to find out what happened?

16.Not wonder why, in some places, more people voted than registered voters and try to find out what happened?

17.Not wonder why the machines would register B** when the person picked Kerry and not try to find out what happened?

18.Not wonder why the machines mysterously added votes to B** and not Kerry and not try to find out what happened?

19.Allow strong partisans to control the software of voting machines and not realize that this is wrong and could be construed as unethical?

20. "WIN" by 3.5mm votes and have no logical explanation of where those votes came from?

21. Not wonder why your popularity rating was 48% and you "won" by 51?



AND SUSPICIOUS, TO SAY THE LEAST...

1. The pre-election break in at the Democrat office in Toledo where no money or other valuables were stolen except computers with voter information?

2. Knowing the results before the election.

3. Karen Hughes telling Bush he lost and then the miraculous turnaround.

4. New* Cheney becoming a computerized election expert in college.

5. New* RNC registering various "Bush Cheated" domains in 2003?


I'm sure there is a lot more....



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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:53 PM
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1. I'm that certain, Yes.
nt
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:57 PM
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2. Me TOO!
MEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:58 PM
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3. Yes, I would...
and I also believe that these miserable, lying cheating bastards let 9-11 happen or worse.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:03 PM
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4. Yes, I want to learn more about that. I recently ran across this
minute by minute account of B**'s day on 9/11. I never knew until then that they lied about when he found out about what happened. I always thought it was when someone whispered in his ear -- like MM showed in Farenheit 9/11.



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essaya...
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:09 PM
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8. go to
www.whatreallyhappened.com

They have an entire 911-archive. thousands of links to all the stories.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:16 PM
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12. Thanks !!!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:44 PM
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19. I've been really curious about this, too,
but I'm having trouble finding the time to read all I need to. Thanks for the link.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:16 PM
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26. Dang I read slow.
I just spent an hour and a half reading that and haven't finished.

An interesting day indeed.

Oh and for the list up there, don't forget the PNAC stuff.

-Hoot
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:48 PM
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32. Thanks Hoot !!! I know, when I read it - I felt the same way. I've
been vacationing in that area of Sarasota for the last 15 years so I knew of all the places they were talking about. I can't believe that all that happened at the hotel and it never made big news. Wow, there is SO much news that no one ever hears, eh.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:07 PM
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6. I agree about 9/11--
Yes, I would (on the original question).

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:04 PM
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5. election fraud
it happened to me, I had a lot of trouble voting, after a 2 hour wait, I went in to vote, I swear, that I pressed the screen next to Kerry 5 times and each time the box next to GWB lit up, on the sixth time the Kerry button lit and stayed lit, my sister tells me that my vote was an overvote and probably did not count. I voted in Baltimore City, Baltimore is approximately 65% black and yet there were 33,000 votes for GWB in Baltimore. We had the no child left behind program forced on us and as a result of underfunding, the schools are 68 million dollars in the red. There's no way that 33,000 people in Baltimore voted for Bush. I read that 90% of the black voters in the US voted for Kerry so where did those 33,000 votes come from.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:12 PM
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9. And they knew they could get away with it. They were counting
on no one challenging the results of a state they won. That is how they got the extra 3.5 million padding ! That must have been SO horrible for you. I think the whole idea of election theft being so real and rampant wasn't clear enough to everyone until now. The depths by which they would sink. It wasn't to me, anyway.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:20 PM
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13. next steps
I really want to see election fraud proved somewhere, do you think it's possible to run a demo on machines that had questionable results and show that they are bogus. Make up fake candidates, just have people use them and show that the results are bogus. May be DU can't pay for an entire state to be recounted but maybe would could do this.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:25 PM
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14. Good question. I don't think they will let us impound the machines
and then there's talk that they probably would have deleted any dishonest code after the election so it would not be found.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:13 PM
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10. OOPs - you registered at the wrong place, Sorry !
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:25 PM
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15. Hey EbolVirus, did you vote for the Commander in THIEF?
Bush's actions sure shows what a good christian man he is. I think alot of folks that voted for him are COMPLETELY conned by this man(perhaps I could say brainwashed)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:15 PM
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11. Mike Malloy said it, and I agree with him. I will never, never be
convinced that this election was not stolen by the Bush minions.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:36 PM
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52. agree
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:27 PM
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16. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I would.
"And you can write that down."

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:35 PM
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18. Wow, Great picture -- Cross-eyed even !!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:49 PM
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21. Fits his clueless personality. So does this one...
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Love it. I have a great picture of him and Cheney but don't
know how to paste it in here.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:49 AM
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45. LauraPackYourBags...
You should subscribe (it's free) to http://photobucket.com to create a personal photo album.

It's very easy to work with: After you've joined you get your own page. Click on "browse", which will open the picture file on your hard drive, then click onto the picture you'd like to share. Press "submit" on your photobucket page. The photo will appear in your new file, complete with the url to copy to your message on DU.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:54 PM
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46. Thanks 8 !!!!! I did it::
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:19 PM
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50. Excellent, LauraPackYourBags!
I'm anxious to see more pictures posted by you! :hi:
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:33 PM
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17. No Doubt in My Mind...The Majority Voted for Kerry!
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:46 PM
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20. In a heartbeat. eom
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:07 PM
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23. The last two articles tell the story..
It explains why all over the internet, I can't find a single person who admits they voted for G.Brish and yet he is now occupying the White House. :9
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:15 PM
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25. Yes. I think the difference in his approval rating and the phony
results are VERY telling. And the Harris poll right after the election showed B** at 49%. That would mean 2 million people decided to change their mind within days! Days that Bush didn't even do anything stupid. Hell, I even FINALLY convinced my republican husband to vote for Kerry.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:45 AM
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43. My repub husband voted for Kerry, too!
Absolutely. I would bet my life that this election was stolen! That's why I won't give up until justice has been served. It makes me sick! His arrogance is enough to put me right over the edge! BTW...love your post name! Peace!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:10 PM
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24. I would indeed.
And if any right-winger accuses me of being in "denial," all I can say is that it's better than living in la-la land, isn't it? :evilgrin:
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Since we're posting our favorite photos here, here's mine


And, hell yes I'd bet my life because I'd still have my life!



BTW, if you want to know how to past a pic into a post, with a PC, find the photo you want, right click and choose "copy image location". Then,
right click again inside the post and click on "paste" Voila! There is your photo.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:28 PM
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28. LOVE IT ! I don't have "copy image location" as an option
when I right click -- just "copy"
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:35 PM
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29. Well, since I know I really don't have to
HELL YES!

If I really had to, I'd be a little more hesitant, only because it may not be provable, and I'd hate to die for nothing.

Is there a doubt in my mind? NO

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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:36 PM
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30. It's an interesting list, and you could expand it...
For example, check Rep. John Conyers report at http://www.house.gov/conyers /

including the odd Warren County lock-out:

One small extract from the report:
"There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state :
(i) in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column;
(ii) Warren County locked out public observers from vote counting citing an FBI warning about a potential terrorist threat, yet the FBI states that it issued no such warning;
(iii) the voting records of Perry county show significantly more votes than voters in some precincts, significantly less ballots than voters in other precincts, and voters casting more than one ballot; (iv) in Butler county a down ballot and underfunded Democratic State Supreme Court candidate implausibly received more votes than the best funded Democratic Presidential candidate in history;
(v) in Cuyahoga county, poll worker error may have led to little known third party candidates receiving twenty times more votes than such candidates had ever received in otherwise reliably Democratic leaning areas;
(vi) in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush."
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:44 PM
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31. Thanks! I'm glad you posted this! I am trying to gather ideas
and data because I want to write a book about the election. I am not sure yet how the best way would be to present the information.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:41 PM
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60. Plenty of useful information at this link:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:08 PM
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33. Yes, I'm certain
Also agree on the 9-11. If ** wasn't in on the planning, he certainly didn't do anything to stop it, and I'm sure he knew it (or something like it) was coming well beforehand.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:16 PM
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34. I think I am starting to wonder how much B** really does know anything
Since it looks like they were keeping 9/11 from him. He's a stupid idiot dupe. "THEY" tell him what to think and say. He probably couldn't handle the long discussions and complexities. Better plan to keep him blissfully ignorant.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:24 PM
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35. I don't like the idea of betting my life
but I can say with all certainty that this election was stolen. I knew it before proof came in. I told people for the past 2 years that whomever ran against Bush would win in a landslide, SO LONG AS WE GOT RID OF THE EVOTE MACHINES. Of course, since then, I've found that the evote machines were only a part of the equation. They went all out, didn't they?

I sent this email out on November 3:

If I didn't think this election was stolen, I'd resign
myself to the fact that the majority of Americans don't share my values...
except I do belive we just witnessed a more subtle repeat of the 2000
elections, this time being disenfranchised via the electronic voting
machines. Those who sold the voting machines to the states are big time
republican contributors. O'Dell of Diebold was quoted as saying he was
committed to deliver the votes to Bush.

Here's how:

http://www.udpc.org/evote.htm

And here's the evidence trickling in about yesterday's vote:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

EcoNews Service: Kerry-Bush Election Determined By The "Margin of
Systemic Vote Fraud"

http://www.ecologynews.com/ecologynews101.html

Note too that Zogby Polls called it for Kerry in a landslide. Exit polls don't match the numbers.

http://zogby.com /

They don't need to turn voters away from the polls. They just need to change
the number of votes at the central tabulator and voila! They have stolen the
White House for a second term.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. thanks HH. I really believe, little by little, more and more people
will know about this. I was thinking back on the Iraq war and I remember being against it when only 16% of the people were. Now look, it's pushing 60%?

If people like you keep on trying to get the word out -- it's important. Because I really think that before justice is served on this, we have to have the people come to a realization that something went wrong.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:41 PM
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37. exactly
I told my mom the other day that I think most people agree with us or at least suspect we're right to some extent but are afraid to talk.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:41 PM
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38. I wouldn't bet my life on anything but here's doc. election was stolen
Widespread systematic vote machine fraud, and dirty tricks and suppression of minority registration and voting in 15 states in 2004 Election: summary of some of the documentation

http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html
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googly Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:42 PM
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39. Frustrating no one has submitted all this fraud evidence in a
court so we can get rid of smirky once and for all.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:49 PM
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40. Considering SS reforms... Medicare reforms... and I'm draft age.
Wouldn't you want something a little more valuable.

Like maybe a cookie?

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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:43 AM
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41. I have no doubt
It was highway robbery.

I just convinced three people at a party tonight that there were major, fraud-related voting problems that may well have altered the election results, both the electoral votes and the popular votes. These three were very skeptical at first, and one even laughed at me. But when you set all the facts out for people, they start to see it.

It's only a matter of time. Truth will out.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. yes it will
thanks for being brave enough to talk. I know how intimidating it can be - especially in red states.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:57 AM
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44. What would I get if I win?
Kerry in the White House?

Yeah, I'd do it.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:01 PM
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47. We already are! I think most of us realize that by 2008 we could all be
under criminal investigation IF we don't stop this crap! Our Democratic representatives are bringing that urgency to the forefront because they realize it too. Every single person that signs his or her name to a petition regarding ANY of these important issues will end up on a watch list if this administration and the thug party isn't exposed and de-legitimized within the next four years. Ask some of those living in Bushits police states how suppressed and investigated they feel right now! Thank God this movement is growing! Strength in numbers is the only way to overwhelm them!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:04 PM
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48. I wouldn't bet if they get to run the game, but yes, I'm that sure. n/t
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:06 PM
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49. Why choose the Fox News poll?
Oh, it's the ONLY one that supports your assertion. I see now.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/fl_pol...
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Yes, Chose Faux News Poll -- Since they were the most biased
against Kerry. So if THEY thought Kerry would win, you figure it out.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:23 PM
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53. Yes....I'de bet my life........nt
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:31 PM
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54. Absolutely, positively -I'd take that bet any day.
And hopefully if we keep up the heat and get the word out there to the masses, the truth will be revealed and Bush will go down just like Nixon.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:35 PM
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55. Yep. I have no doubts whatsoever. nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:55 PM
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56. Aren't some these points contradictory?
2. Knowing the results before the election.

3. Karen Hughes telling Bush he lost and then the miraculous turnaround.

Why would Huges tell Bush that he lost if she knew the results before the election?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:20 PM
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58. Yes they are contradictory. This is based on things I have
read on here, but I haven't looked up the links yet, sorry. Karen Hughes wasn't the one who knew the results.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:13 PM
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57. The corporatists have *already* bet my life.
It's no longer completely mine to risk.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:37 PM
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59. Yes I would!
And I agree with #49 Bush_is_whacko, we already are betting our lives. This is a life and death (or immigration) fight. They knew about 9/11 just look up the insider trading, look up the FBI whistle blowers that had investigations squashed...Follow the money! Read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert http://fromthewilderness.com /
This is our last chance to take back our country. Congress is scared, and rightfully so. What Boxer and Kerry did by fighting Rice's nomination is BRAVE with a capital BRAVE! They could end up having an accident, or maybe a suicide, or if they are lucky just a really bad election...
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