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yankeefanatic3 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:29 PM
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Disturbing occurance in Warren County, Ohio
*Note: This is just speculation on my part!*

Look at the "votes" in Warren County for Bush/Kerry:

Bush (Incumbent) 68,035 72%
Kerry 26,043 28%

Total Votes: 94,078

Now, look at the votes in Warren County for the Ohio Gay Marriage/Civil Unions Ban:

Yes 63,431 69%
No 27,960 31%

Total Votes: 91,391

What oddities does this include?

1) 1,917 more people in CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN OHIO voted "No" on the gay marriage ban than voted for Senator Kerry.

2) An astonishing 4,604 more people in CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN OHIO voted for President Bush than the GAY MARRIAGE BAN......

A side note: Usually it is the opposite....More people for the gay marriage ban than the Republican candidate, especially in "moderate" states.


3) 2,687 more people "voted" in the Presidential race than on the gay marriage ban. This means that virtually all of these people left the gay marriage area of the ballot blank if this is true...or got their vote rejected, how rare on such a divisive issue.

4) Let's face it. This area is ultraconservative. But how rare is it that more people voted No on the issue conservatives are campaigning on, gay marriage, and less for Kerry!

Something strange is definitely going on.....Can't wait for the recount.






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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:31 PM
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1. Bingo
By george I think you've got it!!!
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:35 PM
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2. that's what ahrenbeck was talking about
republicans in republican counties who voted for kerry got switched back to bush.
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jcappy Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:37 PM
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5. Accurate Assessment!
I believe the Repubs were skimming votes wherever and whenever they could get away with it. This is just one more proof of this.

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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:27 PM
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75. Documentation on irregularities in Warren County
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:36 PM
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3. I know I keep saying it but..send it to Arnebeck, never know if it
will help him.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:37 PM
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4. I can imagine
a certain portion of people leaving the gay marriage ban blank -- they don't support gay marriage but banning it outright also doesn't sit right, so just don't vote on it. (I have done this more than once in Wyoming where, in a somewhat quirky application of election law, a didn't-vote is counted as a NO, as amendments have to have a majority of ALL THOSE VOTING to pass.)

But I have a hard time believing that such a large number of people wouldn't have voted on this.

Is it Warren County that shut out the press because of a warning by homeland security??? Or is Warren County where Warren, OH is??
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
32. Warren County barred independent observers (the press) Warren
Ohio is a city in the north of Ohio I believe.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:38 PM
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6. Cliffie the Lawyer on AAR Phoenix NOW
HE GONA KICK ASS :toast: :bounce: :kick:
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:40 PM
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7. Pl send to Susan Truitt or Arnebeck
Its can't be that 1000+ Bush voters voted no on the marriage ban
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:42 PM
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8. Shd send to KO too
He broke the Warren County story on MSM
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:43 PM
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9. Cliffie only spoke with the
Yang guy last night, whistleblower...hack, flips, exit polls... COUNT THE DAMN VOTES! KERRY PRESIDENT! NO MOVE ON! NOT GETTING AWAY WITH THE FRAUD THIS TIME! GO CLIFFIE GO!
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
37. Are you having fun yet??????????
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:45 PM
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10. BRAVO! You just blew up the moral values argument
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:00 PM
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11. Warren County
Is Home of the Lock Down....
and home of their own personal Jesus



I-75 40 miles N of Cincinnati
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:07 PM
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12. OMG - what church is that? How over-the-top can they get?
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Solid Rock I think
They also have a huge LED sign... and prior to the election it would say VOTE THE BIBLE
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. the statue was finished in September or October
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. I really want to paint black stripes on that Jesus...
TOUCHDOWN!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. (chuckling)
Hey Solid Rock -That is just too much!

Is your Jesus sinking in quicksand?

Has Jesus fallen and He can't get up?
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. OMG I pass this everyday and I will be LMAO daily
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 10:35 PM by lizzieforkerry
because of you. :yourock:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Glad to oblidge , Thanks everyone. NT
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
50. NO,no,no The best would be...
is if you were standing there looking at it for a looooooong time, and when someone from the church comes up to ask you what you think of the statue, :think:you say,

"It's good, but aaaahhh, When go you get the rest of it???????? :hippie:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #28
54. Or you could walk up to it with a shovel
and start digging, and when someone ask you what you're doing, you tell them your going to uncover the lower half. :evilgrin:
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #54
66. Quick, fundie! Go grab a shovel! Help me free Jesus!

OMG! I gotta bookmark this for later!
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
33. THAT IS TRULY
ONE OF THE FUNNIEST COMMENTS I HAVE HEARD IN FOREVER!!!
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #18
38. Thank you hootinholler, I needed a good laugh.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #18
67. Don't forget the whistle and the yellow flag!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. Coming from a Christian who loves Christ, this statue kind of scares me.
It seems eerie. I don't know how to explain it.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:32 PM
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27. TexasChick, you feel that way because Christ Himself would
knock that sign down in a heartbeat. It's obscene. It goes against everything that Christ taught and believed.

The hypocrites are praying loudly on the streets, aren't they?
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. I agree.

Why would Jesus remotely approve of a giant icon of himself? He was a simple, radical carpenter turned teacher.

They just don't get it.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. i concur -- they forgot the message
or so it would seem
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. Yeppers!!! Isn't it sad how our Lord and Savior has been dragged
innocently through the mud through this whole election and never should have been? Isn't it funny how these Right Wing nutjobs have nothing in common with us real Christians? Christians like us, who oppose murdering innocent people and oppose wars? Yes, I don't believe in abortion either if a fundie asks me, but I tell them that I believe in our Constitution because it allows me to have the freedom to worship God the way I see fit instead of some Right Wing nutjob who does not read the Bible and only listens to soundbytes and serious whacko, fake Christians like Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh. And, that our Constitution allows me to make that choice on abortion.

How anyone can say Chimp is a Christian is beyond me. Just wanted to throw that in there as well. Jesus, we love you and we know what you want of us. Forgive these Right Wingers for they do not know what they do. :cry:
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
63. Christ will spit Bush out of his mouth. He will say:

"I never knew you".

I know it's wrong to judge someone else's spirituality ("let everyone work out his own salvation with fear and trembling") - but I will venture to judge this time. I agree with you that there is NO WAY that Bush has been born again. No way! He doesn't show humility or compassion (hence the smirking and swaggering). His God is money (unrighteous mammon) as Bush shows favor to corporations and the wealthy, etc. And it certainly doesn't seem like Bush went into that war after days of prayer and fasting, right?
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:06 AM
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64. No. He didn't and this is what makes me mad! He uses God and Jesus
to justify killing these Iraqis. Right Wingers think it's okay to blow people to smitherines and force Christianity on people. This is baloney! You cannot force Christianity on anyone. People will resist! They should want to know Christ! Christ himself told us to never judge anyone for what they believe in. What if communist China invaded us (and believe me, they are getting our economy and own our debt so it is a good possibility) and made us all buddist and made to worship those statues? How would these fundies like that? Chimp also uses the argument that free nations don't kill others nations. Bull, others nations who aren't free have never tried to touch us! It is a weak argument at best.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:59 AM
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65. As a Buddhist, I feel the need to correct a few things you just wrote
I agree TOTALLY with everything you wrote, right up to the point where you said, ..."What if Communist China Invaded us... an made us all buddist and made to worship those statues?"

:hi:First of all, 1) Religion was Banned in China (I think in 1947 when the Communist took over), it's Illegal to practice any religion there. The few Buddhist Temples that have been Re-opened over the last 20 years, are only for the Tourists to see and take pictures of, 2) Buddhist don't Worship Statues, The Buddhas represent the real person of Buddha (just like Jesus was a real person, only the Buddha most think of as The Buddha, was around 500 years before Jesus) and he is there to inspire us to reach his level of enlightenment and wisdom. One of the main reasons the Dalai Lama lives in India now (not in his home country of Tibet, which is now known as Western China) is because the Chinese want to KILL him, because he is our spiritual leader, just like they killed 1,000,000 of the 6,000,000 Tibetan people, when they took over Tibet.

Funny how it doesn't seem to bother George "they want to ban the Bible" Bush, that our fastest growing trading partner is Communist country, where Religion is illegal. Make a Fella think that maybe Ol' George is a liar. At least about MOST things.

Other than that, you have a good point. :hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #65
68. Bush's religion is the Almighty Dollar.
Therefore, China is OK, since they are Wal-Mart.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #65
70. Well, since I am a Christian and don't practice Buddhism, sorry I didn't
mean to offend you or Buddhists. That's maybe the reason why I don't have all my facts straight. I was trying to make an example and it was weak. Sorry. I was just merely pointing out exactly what you were saying, sort of. What if we were invaded and practiced to not have any religion besides Christianity. I guess that's what I was saying. I meant no harm to Buddhists. These fundies who are extremist wouldn't like it, that's all. Again, my apologies. :hi:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. No Biggie, I Know exactly when you're coming from...
:)I understand completely and took no offense. :hug:

I grew up Roman Catholic, an probably had about the same amount of knowledge re: Buddhism, until I stated studying it in 1998. It soon became clear to me, that Christian religion, in this country at least, is TOTALLY Screwed up. The Roman Catholic Church, post-Vatican 2, as RC's say, are mainly teaching old, out of date DOGMA that had been screwed up by almost 2000 years of corrupt Popes and church hierarchy. :grr:

I blame England, King James :spank: and the King James Bible in particular. I find it very ironic that, in 1776, we fought a WAR to remove English Laws and Restrictions on Religion in this country.

Isn't it sad that the Fundies don't see the problem with, or the irony of, teaching from an Old English Bible (which often, just the words and modern meaning of the English, need translating), a Bible that was written to please the King of England, as if it is the ONLY true word of God, and should be taken literally, word for word, as the truth.
:wtf:
The Roman Catholic Church used the Latin Language, and the fact that only the Rich and well educated were literate in Latin, to control and command such respect among it followers. The Fundies and the GOP are doing something very similar today. The Fundies use the fact that, because of the "Old English" used in the KJB, the Bible is VERY easy to MIS-interpret (when it can be understood at all), so when the Preacher interprets the true meaning(or "Reveals the Truth," as they like to say) the Preacher is elevated to the level of great and wise Teacher, Rabbi, prophet, whatever.

:boring:Sorry, I could, and probably should, write a book on this subject, I'll stop now.

It is sad though, that the phrase "Godless Communists" has disappeared from the commonly used language, at least when the People's Republic of Wal~Mart, UGHOH I mean, of China is talked about. Let's fix that everyone! :evilgrin:
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #27
59. it's a statue. it's huge
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
40. I know what you mean... It seems false... not Christ but the purpose
I can't quite describe it either... Only one word comes to mind MOCKERY
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Oh my word! You hit it right on the head! MOCKERY! It does seem fake
and false, but large and scary...whew...still don't know how to describe it!
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. Thats not in Warren county.
Its near the border of Butler county and Montgomery county.

(I think it actually resides in Butler)

Its about 8 miles north of my house.

It is kinda freeky though.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. it's on the edge of the county line --
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 09:53 PM by KaliTracy
lebanon is definately an exit on my way to work -- Enter Warren County and about 5-10 minutes later enter Montgomery County(I live in Bulter County)

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Yup. your right
I tell ya though, I hate that thing.

Im a christian and I generally get annoyed with Christian bashing (especially around here).

But I gotta tell I hate that statue, it essentially undermines its very purpose.
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BlueOhio Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
58. Its Warren County. eom
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
45. Will they let you climb to the top of Jesus's head?
That would be fun! :bounce:

Wonder what would happen???????????? :dunce:
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. lots o' rebar in those arms
though being on a main highway, it probably wouldn't be wise
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BlueOhio Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #11
57. Yes I saw that tonight, it looks like a giant
Planet of the Apes thingy, just drove past it about 30 minutes ago, its on interstate 75 between dayton and cinci in warren county.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #57
69. Just for the heck of it:


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mackdaddy Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. I though he could walk on water, why is he stuck in the mud?
I actually thought it was one of those statues of Stalin at first
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. What was it that Chuck Heston said When he saw that?
Something like, "My God, What have you DONE you Godless Republicans (APES)!" :wow:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. "My God - you finally did it..."
"You finally blew it up.
God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!!"
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:14 PM
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13. This has to be right up there with evidence reported about judge Connelly
Connelly, received 257,000 more votes than Kerry.

If you have not read it.
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=N...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:17 PM
Response to Original message
15. Or maybe...
An astonishing 4,604 Republicans in this county are Gay?

Just an idea...

-Hoot
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. lol
safely in the closet, no doubt
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. You guys are on a roll tonight!
Nice find there.

BTW, did taxpayers pay for that statue of Jesus??
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. it's on church grounds
it's a huge place -- undegone a lot of expansion in the last few years
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #22
47. Someone told me that lights are going to shoot out of his fingers
and his feet are going to be on the other side of the highway- like he is rising up. Just think of all of the good that could have been done with all of the money spent on that.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. i hope it was a joke
I'm not particularly religious (though am spiritual) -- that seems *way* wrong.... :wow:
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #52
60. I asked if they were joking and they said no
Kukesa, a DUer told me
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
53. I doubt it, churches like that use Cult Mind Control...
Techniques. I found a Web sight a few days ago that list all the "Yes, your Church is a Cult" warning signs, and when I read it, I realized, "Hey, this sounds just like the Bush/GOP Campaign. Check it out at:
<http://www.howcultswork.com />

Let's make a list and see how many Cult techniques the GOP used. :spank:
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. true, but they're in denial
... and it makes them crabby.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:24 PM
Response to Original message
21. Some Bush supporters opposed issue 1
Primarily the class of rich white Republicans--they voted against issue 1 pretty big.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Taft and Dewine opposed it
and urged others to, as well, because of the limiting language -- no partner rights for het couples who choose not to marry
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
46. The Western Star ( Warren County paper) came out against it too
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 11:04 PM by lizzieforkerry
The second part of the Amendment took rights away from non- married hetero couples, so some Reps voted agaist it. When you went into the precincts there was a sign that gave the pro and con argument for the Amendment and the Con argument was pretty strong.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:28 PM
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23. Are ballots numbered there? Pollbooks?
In my OH precinct, a poll worker issued a ballot while another checked off a number for the ballot issued. You wouldn't suppose that the last sequence of several thousand votes were all for the same candidate and all beyond the number of people who signed their names in the book? They couldn't have been that clumsy, could they? Well, if they come up with that "level 10" threat (what color is that, anyway?), maybe it'll be that transparent. Get the jail cells ready!
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:31 PM
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26. when they recount, do they count poll signatures, too?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:51 PM
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35. Punch card tabulation procedures should include
From:

http://www.fankhausers.com/articles/tabulation.html

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The open hardware architecture allowed thorough testing to occur. Testing of the punch-card system began several weeks before the election was scheduled to take place. Our vendor (ES&S) would send us a copy of the parameters that configured the tabulation program for the next election. The program with the parameters loaded was tested in the presence of the local election board, interested members of the public and press, and two "computer experts" observing the tests on behalf the two major parties. This test involved a standard "test deck" of cards designed to cast a different but predictable number of votes for each candidate. In addition, the observers would add a few "trick cards" to the deck to make sure the correct results, although known to the observers, would be unknown in advance by either the programmers or operators of the equipment.

During the test, the observers might ask that the program and/or parameters be reloaded from disk, that the date on the computer be changed, or that an arbitrary new test deck be run in addition to the standard deck. In short, there was almost no way that the vendor of the program or the local operators might predict in advance what the test might look like.

Untested software was never used. Once the test had completed, both the program and the parameters (on standard disk) where then sealed in a lock-box along with the test deck in the presence of the observers. On election night, the observers might ask that the program or parameters be reloaded from the sealed disks to ensure that nobody had replaced the program in the computer in the meantime.

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Although the diligence of the observers played a major role in the effectiveness of this testing process the result was that there was a very strong and credible deterrent in place to keep malicious programmers from altering software to affect the outcome of an election. The chance of getting caught was very high in a county that ran the tests carefully.

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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:13 PM
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39. There goes their moral "mandate"...
The rethugs have a lot explaining to do.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:31 PM
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41. It's all being looked into, but..
you should send that www.electionprotection.org so your sure they have that one too. :thumbsup:
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:51 PM
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48. I know a woman in Ohio who voted Bush pres and No on ban...
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 10:57 PM by Niche
Yankee, didn't think I'd repeat for any reason but here it is...My mother called me after the election and said she had spoken to her old friend who's still living in Ohio (not Cin. outside cleveland) - this woman voted No on Gay marriage and yes on *. Mom asked why she didn't vote for Kerry she said... get this "He's Catholic like Kennedy" WTF does that mean? So, that's just an example... don't know what it means but that's what I heard. I'm hoping that everyone else who was voting didn't go that way...

P.S. On a better note on Ohio - my family's there and en mass they and their neighbors, friends and co-workers voted Kerry! This is also a report from suburbs of Cleveland/West.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:31 PM
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55. It's all about MIND CONTROL with the GOP
or Brainwashing, if you like. :crazy:
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:51 PM
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61. That looked odd but
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 11:53 PM by jbnow
Now it looks odder.

Michigan had a gay marriage ban as well and after reading your post I went through every county (83) and it was NEVER close.

You show Kerry getting fewer raw votes and a 3% lower percentage then No votes on ban. 28% Kerry, 31% no ban
This happened in one Michigan county but a much smaller swing (38% Kerry, 39% no on ban)

Someone noted people are more likely to vote for president then a proposal, and that is true in every county here but it doesn't explain it.
Kerry got far more raw votes and a higher percentage then no on the ban in 82 of 83 counties.

Bush got slightly more raw votes then those voting for the ban in 6 of 83 counties, in the other 77 there were more Yes votes on gay marriage ban then there were votes for Bush.

It was only in Livingston county where b's percentage was 1% higher then %yes on ban.
In the other 5 counties where b got more raw votes he had a lower percentage of total votes. Compared to your stat of bush 72& and ban 69% these counties showed:
bush: 59% 63% 60% 61% 71%
Yes Ban 61% 66% 63% 65% 73%

Only two counties here voted against the ban, but by a much lower percentage then Kerry got in those counties.

Could be a fluke. We did have 1 here, though less drastic. But it makes me wonder about that one here with their new optiscans
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 11:53 PM
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62. in 2000 gore got 28% -- in 2004 Kerry got 28%
Though there was a massive campaign in that area in 2004, and Gore pulled out of Ohio early.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:49 PM
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71. Another county too...
Delaware
Bush 53,142 66.05%
Kerry 27,048 33.62%

Yes 48,844 62.19%
No 29,696 37.81%

More raw votes opposing ban on gay marriage then votes for Kerry and a 4% swing. Don't believe it. No way.

Isn't Deleware the county that sued to stop the recount there (and lost?)


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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:47 PM
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73. kickin
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