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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:41 AM Original message |
Gun groups duel with polls on concealed carry |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Anyone who has ever taken a statistics class can spot a push poll. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Playing word games with freedom and safety...IL stop being so backwards. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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biermeister (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. infro from their website- |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Smells bad. They don't use recent stats even though they are available. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. A political group used a push poll. How surprising - NOT. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Where are the "other side's" push polls? I haven't seen any. nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Check the MAIG poll (ran by Frank Luntz). n/t |
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ThatPoetGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You've misrepresented it. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You can't really assess the quality of a poll from the press release of the organization |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Check the questions.. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. If you are talking about this: |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. See reply 14.. n/t |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. considering their tight bond with the GOP, this comes as no surprise |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. Illinois will eventually get concealed carry ... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Let's hope you're right, freedom for our IL friends to carry shouldn't be denied. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. But can we tell where you get your fear of guns from? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Fear of guns is totally irrational |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Oh gimme a break. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. +1 |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Level the playing field? LOL And when it's level, then what? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. "...because it hardly ever happens." |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Good. So that might be a good time and place to begin going gunless |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Nobody presumes to tell you you can't go gunless. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Are you upset with me for some reason? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Did someone say I was? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Note I said "rarely" and "muggers". |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Yeah, but you jumped into a sub-thread started by GAMC |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Heh, yeah, it can get confusing in here. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I get lost all the time, especially in houses. New ones, that is |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Better to have and not need, than to need and not have. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Oh he doesn't believe in fire extinguishers.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Wrong! Better to not need and not have. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. It rarely makes the papers when it happens. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Maybe it happened maybe it didn't |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. This explains you political motive to be anti gun |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Wrong! I want 2A to be interpreted correctly |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Please explain the grammer and historical evidence that supports your conclusion. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The Second Amendment |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. LOL!!! |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Isn't that amazing? Thanks |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. We could adopt the language from any of the 40 or so state constitutions that are more explicit.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. We could or we could start from scratch and try to get it right. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You're assuming that those other states somehow 'got it wrong'. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Maybe I wouldn't like the result, but it might stop the squabbling |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I doubt it'd stop the squabbling, it would just shift it elsewhere. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Love the sign LOL |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. That almost sounded like 'the ends justifies the means' statement.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. "It's not the tools, frankly" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. It was 'working there' before either nation had gun control |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. It was working until a bunch of kids got shot in Scotland |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. And there have been shootings since. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Down |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. That's recent.. check 1997-2005 |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Murder rate lowest for 12 years Thursday 20 January 2011 |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Again, I'll ask.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. It didn't. What are you talking about? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Here, let me highlight the quote.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. What does that have to do with gun control? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. See post #76. n/t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Don't know what you mean. What 14 years? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. You said.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I don't cite it as the reason, just the sraw that broke the camel's back |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I think you're playing semantics.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. If you want to be credible, stop quoting the Daily Mail |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Those numbers came from the BCS, originally. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. And there was Harold Shipman |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Even if I take as given your 'results are murky, try again' premise.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I honestly don' know. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It's difficult to prove one way or the other. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. I have no idea |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. It was quite unambiguous at the time of publication.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. We are not all as fortunate as you in our interpretive skills |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Language drift, poor education and wilfull misinterpretation to support a political agenda. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Sorry, couldn't understand the header. Please clarify |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Oops, it was a response to this: |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Interesting |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. US Code Title 10, Sub A, Part 1, Chapter 13, Sec 311 |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Well if we're going to use that as our guide |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
89. mine has FR, I'm guessing that is an Air Force thing? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Service number prefixes |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. The militia fiction is a 20th century invention |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. P.S. What's wrong with Constitutional Carry? |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
77. It's too much like medical marihuana |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. in other words, it is our "reefer madness"? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. It is interpreted correctly. N/T |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
91. It's funny. I'm a member of that site (I own an XD)... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Your listed fears and desires are irrational. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. what you said |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
84. Presenting arbitrary dicta without supporting evidence or arguments... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
47. Liars and Sociopaths |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Well, you can come over to the side of truth and sanity.... |
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