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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:02 PM Original message |
Anyone notice there are no unbaised studies on guns? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Under which category does the University of Pennsylvania fall? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. +1 |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Obviously that's a Liberal Elite study.. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Tooth Fairy Science |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Engaging in criminal activity increases your odds of getting shot. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Link please. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. It wouldn't make a very good story if they admitted it. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. So you fabricated this "fact" about their research methods. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I fabricated nothing. The press release doesn't mention research methods. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It described how they selected their participants, including their controls. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. They did not exclude those categories of people.. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. They asked people who had been shot if they were armed when they were shot. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. I'm glad I have my boots on |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. A paraMEDIC who works for a FIRE department |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. That's absolutely untrue. Most people who are shot have shot themselves. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. So you don't believe that criminals are at an increased risk of being shot? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. There's a small problem with that claim that "The reason, plain and simple, is guns." |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. Problem with that: our suicide rate is much lower than most industrialized countries. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The UK actually has a lower suicide rate than the US |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. OK - didn't know about that - have they done other studies? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. worthless |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Beleive me, this is better than most studies |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It IS biased though. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Agreed - and it illustrates my point perfectly |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Just a note on your point b) there |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Can provide a link showing that is true of inner cities like Philadelphia? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. So only people who carry guns in Philadelphia are at an increased risk? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. That one makes no distinction between lawfully and unlawfully carrying a weapon |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I don't really see why that distinction matters. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. It 100% matters. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Why not include concealed carry permit holders as a control? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Kellerman II, the Sequel |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Given the fact that the "study" didn't bother to study people legally carrying guns... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. Organizations or individuals with agendas. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. no |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Funded by the NRA or the Joyce Foundation. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. No, it's that there are no unbiased responses to studies on guns. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. There are many suggestions here that would have made this study more credible. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
35. Sure there are. You just have to look at actual scientists. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
38. There are, but the unbiased ones don't "publish by press release" |
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