Reply #95: If you think a successful movement

[Cal Carpenter]

doesn't need discipline and organization, then I certainly won't be the one to change your mind.

PAME (with the KKE) is highly organized, is doing essential planning and creating cooperation between most dissenting groups and trade unions. They brought tens of thousands to the streets and shut down 90%+ of the country. Did the few hundred anarchists accomplish that? I don't think so.

Your characterization of what happened at Syntagma Square is incorrect. The violent thugs were the black-hooded anarchists (or indignados or whatever you want to call them) who tried to force their way into an area filled with thousands of demonstrators who did NOT support those tactics. The KKE and PAME were prepared for that because it was so predictable.

I support PAME and the KKE and the trade unions, not the undercover cops/disgruntled youth who end up supporting the rulers (whether that is their 'intention' or not). The tactics of the anarchists accomplished nothing but violence and confusion. Whether or not they directly work for the cops (which I'm sure many do, if not all) the results of their actions certainly support the goals of the cops.

We need organization, discipline, shared goals, planning, and a true revolutionary movement.