Reply #24: Both are true

[Kalun D]

A. There are too many people on earth. This is due to petroleum based farming and Christian and Muslim religions being against birth control (among other factors)

B. Americans over-consume. There's no need or reason to eat meat 3 times a day every day.

""then we need depopulation. Not eugenics depopulation of the third world, which you have falsely attributed to me. Across the board population decreases""

so who's going to decide who gets to have kids and how many? So you are not killing anyone but you are keeping people from being born, that's eugenics

""until all the people of the world have the same opportunities that we do""

so there's nothing wrong with our over-consumption? 5% of the world's population consuming 25% of the energy.

"Less people! More resources for us to consume!""
"That is a work of pure fantasy."

but it's exactly what you are saying in this very post. You are saying, control population, and continue our "quality of life" which is mass consumption.

""Across the board population decreases until all the people of the world have the same opportunities that we do.""

in other words, everyone at our level of consumption, there is no middle, we should not do any sacrificing, we want to eat junk food, meat all the time, and drive gas guzzlers. Even if the cost is exorbitant for the planet. Even if we have to curtail 3rd world population to do so.

The first world has already controlled it's population, the only place to control population is in the 3rd world. So if you are advocating population control you are advocating eugenics. What we need is to control our consumption and trying to bring more of the 3rd world all the way up to our level of consumption.