Reply #15: Well, if that was insulting, I'm sorry.

[EFerrari]

Sleep deprived here.

The thing is, we've been drenched in the idea that no people in the Middle East can handle their own affairs and if we don't meddle, they will be overrun by fundies.

And, imo, we have to keep checking ourselves for these media implants as we go about the business of following and thinking about these events. It isn't only Fox, by any means, that keeps hammering that stuff in media reports or even in the casual language used by the State Department or the White House.

Those people were handling their own affairs before America was even a gleam in anyone's eye.