Reply #14: I said tthe same thing, but then sorta wavered

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played Devil's advocate even with myself.

The counter argument is, that a big jobs proposal that doesn't pass, actually will create zero jobs. Whereas the stupid payroll tax cut is much more likely to pass (and even that will apparently be a fight, because, although it heavily favors the rich, Republicans want to favor the rich even more. 3.5% of the tax cuts going to the bottom 20% is just too darned much as far as they are concerned, and 46.4% going to the top 20% isn't near enough.) and it will create some jobs.

However, I think the trump card is, that if you fight for a big plan, you can eventually settle for the payroll tax cut. Whereas, if you start out fighting for the payroll tax cut, you will never get anything better and may have to "compromise" on something worse. PLUS. and this is a biggie, fighting for the payroll tax cut makes Democrats look more like Republicans, it means that both parties agree, tax cuts are the way to create jobs.

Much better to clearly distinguish the parties. Show the Democratic party has a better plan, but that Republicans will block it because it does not favor the rich. Come out with a plan that favors the people instead of coming out with a DLC plan that also favors the rich. Give more people a reason to vote for D's up and down the ticket.