Reply #189: It's a dwindling spiral, isn't it, because if parents don't help take

[EFerrari]

the schools and the neighborhood, they're giving up the territory.

I remember at university, women began to be assaulted on their way home at night from the library and we organized escorts and patrols. Same, iirc, with moms and grandmothers in East Palo Alto, a mostly poor and black community, had enough of the bullets going through their walls and their kids coming home dead and they took to the street and improved the situation by shaming the county sheriff into doing their effing job. When I lived in the Haight, I used to see my neighbors out every night "taking a walk" in a group but they were working visibility to reduce the crime rate -- and they got it done. It was remarkable. And again, our PD was sort of motivated by these folks to work visibility as well.

None of those three examples would have worked without neighborhood people contesting the territory.