Reply #1627: i would expect nothing different.

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i also understand there is SOME subjectivity in these self-definitions and declarations of rightness. but at some point we have to be looking at the same world and seeing the same thing.
as far as i'm concerned, anyone who doesn't see disaster present and worse looming, and need for radical action (WAY to the left of obama) IMMEDIATELY, just isn't living in the same world i am.

frankly, i don't much care if people don't appreciate my categorizations of their positions. it is what i see and i have to state it in order to express my views. the stakes are way too high to worry about thin skins. i have also learned that the and overly careful polite approach seldom works with entrenched views anyway. better virtual blows now than real ones later when sides really need to be chosen. straight language just may shake a few minds open.

also, the debate with the right within the democratic party isn't necessarily to convince those who hold rightward views. it is more to show those who are in the middle, the young, the niave but honestly searching. they may witness the debate and make their own sense of it and choose to move left rather than right, or stay left.