Reply #11: here you go

[grantcart]

1) His oath was to opppose enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic.

The fact that he doesn't know the language is suspicious but in any case this law is unconstituional.

You are not required to give evidence against yourself. Requiring people to prove that they are legally here is in fact requiring them to provide evidence against themselves. ICE agents cannot compel someone to answer them and if someone does not respond to their questions then they cannot have probably cause to arrest them. This law turns it around and gives local governments the right to compel people to provide information against their will. In fact a legal resident of the US can go to jail for 6 months simply for not carrying their papers on their person.

2) It is cynical and un American.

When Phoenix was the fastest growing city in the US they welcomed cheap undocumented labor and now that they are having time they want to throw out all of the labor that helped them. How about they tear down every building and house that was built with illegal labor to show us how sincere they are. America is not simply a nation of laws but also a nation of fairness.

3) It will harm American national security.

Without this labor source the US agriculture system would collapse. Some machine friendly crops like corn and wheat would survive but a large portion of our food would now be produced in Mexico. When that happens we will be as dependent on Mexico for our food as we are the middle east for our oil. An exceptionally stupid idea.

4) It will help crime and cost lives both civilian and police officers.

In New York City it is against the law for police officers to give information on a persons legal status to federal officers. Where does crime primarily exist? In neighborhoods that are poorer and have high numbers of undocumented workers. In those neighborhoods a family man who may be married to an American citizen and have American children might very well witness a crime, say someone parking a SUV in Times Square for example. If that person is likely to be thrown out of the country once the police are involved why would they call the police. They won't.

Take another example. The police are called to enter an apartment building on a domestic disturbance call on the third floor. A good guy (undocumented) sees the police coming and knows that their is a brother of a resident visiting in the second floor. While he wouldn't normally get involved he knows that this brother is a person high up in the drug cartel and wants to warn the police so that they don't get shot in the back when this guy gets spooked. In AZ this guy will not identify with the police but go and hide under the bed. In New York this guy will go out and warn the police ahead of time.



And here is the final blow. They know that it is unconstitutional. The reason that they wrote such a terrible bill is not because they are stupid it is because they could vote for a bill that would be quickly thrown out. That way they don't have to worry about a right wing primary opponent but don't have to worry about the consequences of a bad bill. It is cynical politics at its worse. If this guy is happy being a pawn in an unconstitutional con job then so be it.


There is a reasonable way to solve the problem

1) Increase border security

2) Normalize status for undocumented workers who are here and have demonstrated that they contribute to the country and are law abiding.

3) Establish a workable guest worker job that will allow us to bring in workers under healthy safe and honorable conditions for jobs that Americans no longer will do. In my teens I picked fruit. I loved it and made a lot of money doing it but my kids and your kids aren't going to do it and I am not going to do it now.


Finally these extreme rightwing ubher patriotic memes are nothing more than political masturbation they are intended to give frustrated uninformed citizens momentary relief but not really do anything.

Hope that helps.