Reply #15: Thanks, I am always open to mature dialogue free of personal attacks

[slackmaster]

But do groups like the NRA really want to permit INDISCRIMNATE access to guns?

I don't believe so. Most NRAers are, or at least talk, very tough on crime.

Gun owners have good reason to be horrified by yesterday's incident. Every time something like that happens, OUR freedom is threatened by the understandable backlash.

That's what the "Second Amendment" rhetoric I hear from them all the time demotes to me.

I try to avoid 2A discussions because they end up circular and go nowhere. Militia arguments notwithstanding, we do have the Ninth Amendment which IMO clarifies that anything that has not been prohibited by due process is permitted. I think it's redundant because that is the basis of our legal system - You have all rights save those which has been curtailed by consensus.

OTOH the state militias do still exist. Here is mine:

MILITARY AND VETERANS CODE
SECTION 120-130

120. The militia of the State shall consist of the National Guard,
State Military Reserve and the Naval Militia--which constitute the
active militia --and the unorganized militia.

121. The unorganized militia consists of all persons liable to
service in the militia, but not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

122. The militia of the State consists of all able-bodied male
citizens and all other able-bodied males who have declared their
intention to become citizens of the United States, who are between
the ages of eighteen and forty-five, and who are residents of the
State, and of such other persons as may upon their own application be
enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to the provisions of this
division, subject, however, to such exemptions as now exist or may be
hereafter created by the laws of the United States or of this State.

123. Whenever the Governor deems it necessary, he or she may order
an enrollment to be made by officers designated by the Governor, of
all persons liable to service in the militia. The enrollment shall
include any information that the Governor may require. Three copies
thereof shall be made: one copy shall be filed in the office of the
clerk of the county in which the enrollment is made, and two copies
in the office of the Adjutant General.

124. Enrollment shall be made upon such notice and in such manner
as the Governor may direct. Every person required by such notice to
enroll who fails or refuses so to do is guilty of a misdemeanor....

Basically the Governator has the power to call us up for public service in a time of emergency, and we can go to jail if we refuse to comply.

That's part of our social contract. In return for that, one of our perks is the right to keep and bear arms in our own defense. Or so I see it.

Reference: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=mvc&group=00001-01000&file=120-130