Reply #10: I attempted to write a definition, but I find that we cannot even define

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ourselves and what is going on WITHIN our country.

There are two major umbrella 'wars' going on that don't even have names let alone definitions. One is the one going on within the U.S. - the other outside. War is the name given to the activities of the first seven years of this century following years of planning and preparation. The key word here is 'activities'. The war or wars are phantom.

A segment of the population within the U.S. declared war on the rest of the world. But is it a war? I call it something else.

For the time being, I can only call the former, the Cheney segment. (I usually say pnacers and the barons they work for.) Pnacers is only a shortcut to describe and include politicians, lobbyists, corporations, foundations, think tanks, independents - everyone in on the decades old plan to control and own, plus all those who were brought into it and became operatives allowing them to make a living from it and for some, fortunes.

The enemies of the Cheney segment are we citizens and a wide variety of people outside the U.S.

The Cheney segment goes after resources - earth and sky resources, plus people resources.

Our U.S. people resource to them is believing what they want us to believe and paying for their schemes to gain worldwide control and ownership. They want us to believe we are at war - that is the key to their takeover.

From outside the U.S., the citizens and the Cheney segment are one - to some.

It is impossible to define al Queda without deciding whether there is a war.

I believe there is no war. The Cheney segment is conducting a 'takeover'.

We citizens and the world are in a takeover and the Cheney segment created a phantom war context.

The phantom war context falls short on terminology for we citizens and the rest of the world.

The agenda to control and own is a cleverly designed magic trick that masks death, destruction, theft, lies. The theft is the most serious kind within the U.S. the theft of our Constitution, Bill of Rights, balance of power, media, vote, use of taxes - and the incredible work involved in creating an enemy.

I believe al Queda is anyone who attempts to prevent the takeover and attempts to protect their people and resources. From major 'fightback' - training to fight and for minor 'fightback' - clinging to the arm of an able bodied man who will be imprisoned for fishing torture to find out who is training and acting.

I believe the Cheney segment is capable of selling the arms to those who fight us.

We are being deceived. Big time. The citizens of this country are in the same boat with those in other countries, except, for the time being, those outside the U.S. must suffer more blood and horror and loss of basic living rights while we must suffer the moral, spiritual, and economic horrors.

It is all for the Cheney segment of the population of this earth. The Cheney segment includes many leaders and their operatives in many countries - including Europe, Australia, Canada, Israel and who knows whom in Russia or China.

Leaders - means those of the same purpose (controlling and owning the rest of us) - whether they are presently in power withing their countries, or were, or are up and coming.

Cheney departing does not mean the end of the Cheney segment - the plan to control and own us does not die without Cheney.