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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:46 PM
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Has a democracy ever collapsed from having too much freedom?
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That's a question I'm asking for my fellow history buffs, as we march towards internal passports and the prohibition of internal movement by citizens who belong to the "wrong" organizations or advocate the "wrong" views.

I was just watching, on CSPAN, what passed for a hearing on the terrorist watch list. It seemed no one was asking the right questions (Democrat or Republican). The concerns were about "misidentification", not about the way legal dissent will get one put on the list, not to mention what terrorism is defined at in the US.

I'm a meat eater. Not only do I eat meat, I used to hunt, and would hunt again in a New York minute if I knew how to get my wheelchair onto good turkey grounds. What's more, I have a parrot -- an intelligent wild animal, traffic in which is regulated by the treaty of endangered species -- captive in my home (my parrot wouldn't have it any other way, but nonetheless...). I am nearly the epitome of "the enemy" in the eyes of many animal rights extremists. And I, knowing of the instances of potentially deadly sabotage of hunters by animal rights groups, their drive to sabotage medial research, some of which might someday let me toss the wheelchair aside and head back to the woods, and their heartless abuse of pets in the name of "liberating" them, don't think much of them, either.

But defining them as terrorist? And, if things go as proposed, preventing or restricting their movement about the country?

The Republicrats have performed a miracle -- they've created conditions where I want to stand, arm-in-arm, with my Animal Liberation Front brothers and sisters, in common cause.

Lets flip this around for a moment: neoliberals come to power. Looking at the militia maniacs that lurk within the NRA, and pointing to the genuine instances of terror perpetrated by this far right fringe, they decide the NRA provides material assistance to terrorists and is a terrorist organization. I'm a life member of the NRA, and I've certainly mingled with at least militia -wannabes in gun clubs. I am therefore prohibited from using any public transportation in America, or ever leaving the country? Is the Right comprehending that this is where this leads?

I can't think of an instance where a democracy fell because it was too free. I can think of a number of instances of its opposite. Can anyone think of one?
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