Reply #41: I understand your concern as well, certainly

[Fovea]

my minor was poli sci. I do not ask these questions lightly, nor is my opinion hasty.

I have been watching the constitution be circumvented in order to increase social control since Nixon
and in the study of social control, there is a phenominon where in many cases enforcement
*increases* resistance (called deviance by so called non-normative scientists). I remember the sixties (which means obviously I didn't do as much dope as Dubya) and I was in Chicago for the Dem Nat Conv.

I have come to the following conclusion-- non-violent protest is effective and moral if your oppressor is moral. Ghandi would have led the Indian people to a mass slaughter if, for example, his oppressors had been the Bushido period Imperial Japanese. I am thinking of Nanking, Manchuco, etc. While the neocons wear XPtian morality like a cheap suit, they are ruthless in the way that amoral cowards often are. The cowards who maintain the occupation of Iraq, who let New Orleans drown, who impoverish and kill the working and middling classes to create a new gilded age (whose Islamofascist boogieman was called anarchists) are doing so with the foreknowledge that they may experience a backlash, indeed, they have been preparing for it.

I believe that if/when it comes, they will be shocked at its ferocity. This is a complex, energy and commodity dependent society, and no one is more dependent, hence more vulnerable than the hyper rich. No modern society is more than 3 hungry days away from insurrection. When the Speaker of the House voluntarily suspends the last legal safeguard of the American people, she invalidates the constitution as clearly as Dubya, who first subverted with signing statements, and now simply ignores it.
If impeachment can only be used against folks who get a blow job, but not against criminals in high office, it is worse than not having it at all.

I am saying there is a breaking point or there is a point of capitulation.
From where I am watching, I am near that crux. My Dem congressman is far, far from it. So is Nancy Pelosi.
And when things fall apart, as they could do the day after the whole Islamic world, China, and Russia decides that the Euro is a better commodity for petro commerce, she will be shocked, shocked I say at the violence, and will certainly agree to rounding up the usual suspects. What I am trying to get across is that no one should allow themselves to be rounded up by a government that has abandoned the governing contract.

It is the sort of governance up with which our founding fathers said we should not put.