Reply #42: Could you please post that "conclusive evidence"?

[Steve A Play]

Are you willing to go on the record with your claims?

I can't wait to see this "conclusive evidence" that BBV.org "burned" Stephen Heller. For the record, Black Box Voting.org has donated $10,000.00 toward his legal defense. How much have you done?

Perhaps you should read the indictment and see what evidence the DA used to file the charges against him. Please point out where Bev Harris or Black Box Voting.org was mentioned. We've been actively organizing a campaign to get the charges dropped. Show me what you've done to help him.

Are you trying to say that the $100,000.00 dollars in donor funds that Black Box Voting.org has spent on funding the Leon County hack tests of the Diebold equipment was a fraud?

Are you going on record saying that the evidence amassed by BBV.org, that has been corroborated by a number of subsequent teams of computer experts across the country, is all bogus?

I knew Andy Stephenson as a friend, and I worked very closely with him here in California convincing Kevin Shelley and the VSPP to get that Diebold equipment de-certified based on the facts. I have photos and videos I'm willing to post if you want me to prove it. I'm also very aware of how easily Andy was manipulated, due to his kind and trusting nature. I saw first hand how easily he fell for the BS about how Delbert 'Mike' Vreeland called him from his jail cell, and was supposedly "shadowing terrorists who were going to nuke the twin cities" just prior to the 2004 elections. He broke that news right here on this forum and the threads are still here in the archives if anyone has forgotten. What ever happened with that? It turned out to be bullshit, did it not?

I saw first hand how he fell for the BS about Jeff Gannon actually being little Johnny Gosch, despite the vast difference in their ages. Do you deny that he was wrong about that too, despite the outcome of the DNA test that he brought Johnny's mother on MSNBC to demand? Do you still back that claim despite the fact that the DNA test proved otherwise? Do you still believe that those type of "conspiracy theories" help the election reform movement? Do you still claim that all of us at Black Box Voting.org are just engaged in a massive fraud to make money and Andy was all purity and enlightenment?

Funny how you can pick and choose what facts you pay attention to. It's a damn good thing that posts made under an assumed name on an Internet forum don't hold the same evidenciary value as the facts reported by known computer experts like Dr. Hugh Thompson and Harri Hursti have in a courtroom, otherwise the court challenges like the one Lowell Findley just filed here in California wouldn't stand a chance. Why are you so hellbent on discrediting everything that so many of us have worked so hard to expose? How can you claim to be for election reform while doing so?

You can try all you like to discredit us, but the facts are the facts.

You made the claim, now produce the evidence.

Steven P. :kick: