Reply #9: I don't think they are ridiculous, but instead, ignorant

[MADem]

They rely on this theme of Man and Woman equals Child. And that's bullshit.

The truth is you have male sperm, plus female egg, plus WILLING WOMB, and that equals child. It ain't TWO things, it's THREE.

Now, a clever BIDNIZMAN like George Bush would tell you, that anyone holding sixty six percent of the shares in an enterprise has the deciding vote. Thus, the owner of the egg and the womb make the call. Now, that in vitro crap is another story, but I am talking plain, straight up, ninty nine percent of the time...the owner of the egg and the womb are the same soul. Thus, they have the deciding vote, owing to their greater investment.

Anything else is just bullshit. Unless and until you can implant the embryo in the male, a la ARNOLD in that tacky movie, without excessive surgical intervention that exceeds a termination, the one with the womb is the one who holds the marbles. JMO and YMMV...