Reply #84: Some of these discussions

[Jcrowley]

revolve around the purely abstract omitting the material conditions. Sometimes it comes down to the playground query "Who threw the first punch?"

Here's another honorable and just example of someone getting shouted down on a larger scale. Vincente Fox was on the podium for his last presidential speech a month ago and numerous members from the opposition party shouted him down and he had to run off the stage never giving his final address. Too bad we don't have such impassioned members in our Congress who shut down the whole charade by refusing to let Frist, Bolton, Bush etc. spew their venom into the atmosphere. There are many and varied layers to this and interesting metaphysical textures to consider. Sometimes civility is not as it seems. There are dynamics at work which go far beyond everyday political decorum.