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"The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit." --Nelson Henderson

"......the translator comment was meant more to be in terms of communication outside of the extremes we always here about rather than between what we want for ourselves and others. "

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO! PLEASE CONSIDER that THAT IS that IS the pivot point of the EXTREMES!!!? "The TRANSLATOR tries to draw the distinction between what you believe for your own life and what you support for the rights of others. Pretty simple really."

:hi: (I said PLEASE CONSIDER-- I DID NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT ANYTHING-- SEEMS THEY ARE YOUR "QUCK ASSUMPTIONS" HERE)

If enough people Get That, they can have their moral/personal discussions about what THEY would do regarding reproductive choice in THEIR life (maybe spend less time here on that) and have social/political discussions about what THEY do to support the privacy and health rights of other Americans. See?

:hi: (I SAID "IF" "SEE?" I KNOW YOU DON'T MEAN TO, BUT YOU ARE REINFORCING "IT ALL ABOUT ME" CLICHE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS)

As for the rest of my post, you say "The rest I won't take issue with, my attitudes on this stuff is largely driven by my own experiences....."

"I read it as issues to ignore. Really? I said that?"

:hi: (YES!!!!!! "The rest I won't take issue with" That's what you said.)

"The world is full of issues, there's the war, abortion, free speech and press, and so on. Who covers all of them all the time? We've made a choice to ignore the rest as unworthy somehow? Don't ascribe meaning that wasn't stated, that's why we can't get past the start of these types of debates."

:hi: (I did not ascribe this meaning, I quoted that you "would not take issue with" and you ignored the post, "rather than take it at face value" and respond to it. YOU are "ascribing meaning here through misinterpretation. Another cliche pops up "Pot calls kettle black.")

That's the point I guess. You read it as something to "take issues with" or ignore--

:hi: (That is true-- except there is a typo in the quote OF YOU! which may have caused your misinterpretation) You dismissed the bulk of the post with "the rest I won't take issue with" -- the only "meaning I ascribed" was the inference that if you addressed it At All it would be to Take Issue With It!

and its a common inability of folks to take an objective social point of view when "my attitudes on this stuff is largely driven by my own experiences." And that's the even bigger disconnect right there. For some people and *SOME* men, the objective social point of view is unfamiliar enough and the "attitudes largely driven by their own experiences" prevent them from relating to women's issues as if they were their own.

:hi: That last bit is clearly in general terms, about "folks" and "some people" and "*SOME* men" --not ALL ABOUT YOU.

Another one of these discussions that turns out being pointless, even with someone presenting a moderate approach such as yourself ( :hi: THAT'S a COMPLIMENT)

Thank you.

As for my post, there is a true dilemma :dilemma: /discrepancy/interesting-point there that will remain uncommented-- this exchange is yet another example of how people put their egos before the issues. That "objective social point of view" is the moderate point that we must find to achieve the goals in the thread-- or even to have a worthwhile discussion about it.

Thanks again. And good luck with you work :thumbsup: