Reply #15: What the hell does the percentage matter?

[Maven]

They are LARGELY to blame. How does that word strike you? Largely.

Here's a percentage: I'd wager theres an 85% chance prop 8 would not have passed in California, a generally liberal state, without the Mormons' hate campaign. The Catholic Church has dogma; the Mormons have basically what amounts to a giant phone tree which they used to raise money to run their hateful, lying ads. It's a machine they used against us. Why do you think the Catholic orgs wanted them involved in the first place?

And yes, the members of the church who supported and donated money etc. are up to their lying necks in it. And those who still belong to and defend the organization should own up to the fraud perpetrated by said organization. If they support human rights for gay people--as I'm sure quite a few do--they have three options: they can a) raise objections within the organization, b) leave the organization, or c) accept that they belong to an organization that perpetrates lies and oppression against a minority.

As for your other blather about "religious bigotry," boo fucking hoo. Don't you DARE come into this forum and claim that gay people are trying to oppress Christians.